Will Still

[benjii]

14 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

I'm not sure what your preoccupation with 'big, powerful athletes' stems from but it hasn't been our problem this season, nor was it in either of the two relegations. We got relegated because our players were terrible and we're 18th now because Still has no idea how to get the best out of the squad he asked for.

Quarshie is 6'5", Wood is 6'2", so are THB and Charles and we've a few other players North of 6ft. I don't know what collection of large, muscular men you had in mind but the one we've got is sufficient.

[Lighthouse]

17 hours ago, saintant said:

Go watch Brentford, Bournemouth and Palace plus Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal etc etc You list our centre backs but you need these powerhouses in midfield, on the flanks and up front. Go watch some games with teams who get the blend right and if you think we're even coming close you're wearing your red and white tinted specs.

Last years top three in the PL were the 12th, 20th and 15th tallest squads respectively, according to Give Me Sport. There is no correlation between that and performance, we went down because our team was the crappest, nothing more. Furthermore our biggest (Paul) and quickest (Sully) players were both useless.

[Galway saint]

55 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Last years top three in the PL were the 12th, 20th and 15th tallest squads respectively, according to Give Me Sport. There is no correlation between that and performance, we went down because our team was the crappest, nothing more. Furthermore our biggest (Paul) and quickest (Sully) players were both useless.

Yes but those squads were assembled for a small fortune - those who can’t spend that big have to compensate to some degree with physicality and athleticism. We didn’t do that.

remember the crazy gang ?

[saintant]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

Last years top three in the PL were the 12th, 20th and 15th tallest squads respectively, according to Give Me Sport. There is no correlation between that and performance, we went down because our team was the crappest, nothing more. Furthermore our biggest (Paul) and quickest (Sully) players were both useless.

Thanks for your research but you'll probably not be surprised that it fails to convince me. I still maintain our team would benefit greatly from having a lot more physicality all over the pitch and it's something we've lacked for a while. Having seen Brentford recently completely overpower West Ham I dread to think what they would do to our weaklings.

[RedArmy]

28 minutes ago, Galway saint said:

Yes but those squads were assembled for a small fortune

So has ours for this league. 

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, Galway saint said:

Yes but those squads were assembled for a small fortune - those who can’t spend that big have to compensate to some degree with physicality and athleticism. We didn’t do that.

remember the crazy gang ?

You pay for any attribute, be it physical or technical. Besides, Brentford have about five players who would have been our record signing, their squad wasn't exactly cheap either. The crazy gang was as close to WWII as it is to today, so not really relevant to modern PL transfer fees.

Put simply; if it was that easy everyone would be doing it.

[Lord Duckhunter]

3 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

Furthermore our biggest (Paul)

He’s clearly not talking about lanky streaks of piss. We’re not powerful, physical or robust enough, that’s been obvious for years. Joe Jordan was only 5ft 11, Alan Shearer only just 6ft. It’s not about raw data, it’s about putting your foot in, and knocking people around. Brentford have bullied us the last few times we e met, that’s fuck all to do with money and everything to do with mentality. We’re soft as shite. 

Edited 11 hours ago by Lord Duckhunter

[Lighthouse]

20 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

He’s clearly not talking about lanky streaks of piss. We’re not powerful, physical or robust enough, that’s been obvious for years. Joe Jordan was only 5ft 11, Alan Shearer only just 6ft. It’s not about raw data, it’s about putting your foot in, and knocking people around. Brentford have bullied us the last few times we e met, that’s fuck all to do with money and everything to do with mentality. We’re soft as shite. 

Yep, not true either, just a lazy go-to argument. Brentford just have better players than us, it’s really that simple. Our ‘soft as sh*te’ team got the third most bookings last season, Brentford had the second least.

https://www.myfootballfacts.com/premier-league/all-time-premier-league/cards/premier-league-red-and-yellow-cards-2024-25/

[Galway saint]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

You pay for any attribute, be it physical or technical. Besides, Brentford have about five players who would have been our record signing, their squad wasn't exactly cheap either. The crazy gang was as close to WWII as it is to today, so not really relevant to modern PL transfer fees.

Put simply; if it was that easy everyone would be doing it.

Put simply - not everyone need do it; just us.

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

Yep, not true either, just a lazy go-to argument. Brentford just have better players than us, it’s really that simple. Our ‘soft as sh*te’ team got the third most bookings last season, Brentford had the second least.

https://www.myfootballfacts.com/premier-league/all-time-premier-league/cards/premier-league-red-and-yellow-cards-2024-25/

What’s lazy is taking stats that are meaningless. What are booking for, arguing, not retreating 10 yards, celebrating a goal (maybe not, I’ll give you that). How many bookings were for putting in a reducer or showing some physicality, not many. Anyone who can’t see Brentford are far more physical than us, is clueless, probably the same type who rate Baz.