New Manager Debate

[Wade Garrett]

7 minutes ago, SW11_Saint said:

What do people think of Corberan? 

Generally well regarded, but didn’t do so well at WBA, and not pulling up any trees at Valencia. 

Maybe he’ll bring Bielsa in as his #2 next season? 😂

Not for me.  Hipster’s dream though.

[Fabrice29]

Dont really understand the Eckert hate on here. Suspect he doesn't get the job and he's not my first choice but a manager delivering wins in this league is just getting dismissed again on here for some reason  

[Fabrice29]

7 hours ago, saintwbu said:

Heard from opposite end of ground

I've spoke to people in both corners of the ground yesterday and can assure you it wasn't heard by everyone. Both the away fans and Itchen corner think Northam has been quiet this season, and yesterday.

Edited Sunday at 22:45 by Fabrice29

[SaintN14]

28 minutes ago, pingpong said:

Odds check:

Rodgers, Carrick and corberan shortening.

Eckhert, Martin and O'Neil lengthening.

I would be happy with any of that top 3.

Corberan Is an exciting young coach, did ok at WBA, but would he have the energy/motivation to get cooking with us the day after being sacked by his current employers? 

I like Carrick a lot, but Rodgers would be first choice, if he’s interested we should be going all out for him

 

Edited Sunday at 22:47 by SaintN14

[saintwbu]

8 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

I've spoke to people in both corners of the ground yesterday and can assure you it wasn't heard by everyone. Both the away fans and Itchen corner think Northam has been quiet this season, and yesterday.

That’s good mate but as I was in the ground, in the Itchen/Chapel corner, and heard at least three renditions of the song clearly, i’d say it was heard in the ground.

[saintwbu]

I like Corberan, and in a way I think he’d be a decent option if we were promoted to the PL but not so much one to get us there. Very, very defensive minded, maybe an argument to say with a better squad (like ours) he’d loosen the shackles a bit but i’m not convinced personally. I think he’d be ideal to try and make a newly promoted team hard to beat and grind out points.

[Fabrice29]

3 minutes ago, saintwbu said:

That’s good mate but as I was in the ground, in the Itchen/Chapel corner, and heard at least three renditions of the song clearly, i’d say it was heard in the ground.

Alright, I'll get my ears tested  

[Roger]

14 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Dont really understand the Eckert hate on here. Suspect he doesn't get the job and he's not my first choice but a manager delivering wins in this league is just getting dismissed again on here for some reason  

We’ve conceded 31 shots to qpr and sheff weds. Not convincing at all and we’ve given 3 stand in managers jobs before gray, Wigley and selles and been a disaster. Still was I experienced and he’s also younger than him without his experience so no thanks. 

[woodsaint1]

8 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Dont really understand the Eckert hate on here. Suspect he doesn't get the job and he's not my first choice but a manager delivering wins in this league is just getting dismissed again on here for some reason  

Its not hate. Its being realistic with what we've witnessed so far.

We got battered by an average QPR team and were very lucky to hang on. And as for yesterday, it wouldnt take much coaching to beat Wednesday. He may have potential, but he hasnt managed at senior level. We've tried the caretaker to permanent boss experiment previously with no success.

Interesting though, Eckert was assistant to Patrick Vieira at Genoa. With Vieira now available we could see that pairing again

[Forester]

As others have pointed out, we don’t have a great record of caretakers then being appointed permanently.  Gray, Wigley and Selles were all unsuccessful after promising starts.

[Fabrice29]

14 minutes ago, Roger said:

We’ve conceded 31 shots to qpr and sheff weds. Not convincing at all and we’ve given 3 stand in managers jobs before gray, Wigley and selles and been a disaster. Still was I experienced and he’s also younger than him without his experience so no thanks. 

 

9 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

Its not hate. Its being realistic with what we've witnessed so far.

We got battered by an average QPR team and were very lucky to hang on. And as for yesterday, it wouldnt take much coaching to beat Wednesday. He may have potential, but he hasnt managed at senior level. We've tried the caretaker to permanent boss experiment previously with no success.

Interesting though, Eckert was assistant to Patrick Vieira at Genoa. With Vieira now available we could see that pairing again

There’s plenty of managers with experience, some in this league now or until the weekend, who would love a couple of wins like we’ve had this week and would lap it up as well. 

I agree that we’ve not been great, but given we’ve shown quite a lot in the last two games that we hadn’t shown this season already (willingness to defend our box properly and a ruthless streak at the other end) and we’ve played worse teams than QPR and not won this season and we never looked like losing on Saturday either, I think the idea that him carrying on is a ‘job for the boys’ or ‘brain dead’ is a bit of a over reaction. 

I’m sure we’ll get someone experienced, progress up the league with flowing football whilst playing 4 at the back and everyone will be satisfied though. 

[skintsaint]

Reckon its a Brendone deal...

 

[Stripey McStripe Shirt]

53 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Reckon its a Brendone deal...

 

Some people are going to think that's AI.

[Saint86]

2 hours ago, SW11_Saint said:

What do people think of Corberan? 

Generally well regarded, but didn’t do so well at WBA, and not pulling up any trees at Valencia. 

Maybe he’ll bring Bielsa in as his #2 next season? 😂

His football is absolutely dire. Its just anti football. He pretty much always sets up to counter whoever he is playing and nullify their gameplan - at all costs. Creating an attacking and pleasing to watch style of football - a very distant second.

Edited yesterday at 01:25 by Saint86

[Willo of Whiteley]

To summarise then:

Russell Martin - It won’t be happening, lazy link in the first place.

Ralph Hassenhutl - It won’t be happening, another lazy link for the bookies.

Tonda Ekhart - played two poor teams, two wins yes but not particularly good football, just more of the same rubbish. But I think he’ll be most likely to get it at the moment, sadly.

Michael Carrick - RM MKII from what I’ve read.

Brendan Rodgers - would be great, but would be ambitious, I thought his ambitions were higher than us but maybe his priorities have changed (if you know you know).

Gary O’Neill - taking the Pompey element out of it, he has still done nothing at any club he has been at.

Carlos Corberan - never really understood the hype around him, didn’t think he was particularly good at West Brom.

Liam Rosenior (for DT) - CL manager, doing very well in Ligue 1, why the f*** would he leave to come to us?! 🤣

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

7 hours ago, saintwbu said:

That’s good mate but as I was in the ground, in the Itchen/Chapel corner, and heard at least three renditions of the song clearly, i’d say it was heard in the ground.

The press box inside St Mary's is in the Chapel side of the Itchen stand and they appeared to hear it OK from there and reported on it, Alfie House said it was loud and clear. So the Directors box would certainly have heard it, maybe the *cough* fan (likely sitting in there) disputing this does need to get his ears tested.

[DrSuess1979]

6 hours ago, Stripey McStripe Shirt said:

Some people are going to think that's AI.

Not some

All of us 

[Suhari]

19 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

 

Brendan Rodgers - would be great, but would be ambitious, I thought his ambitions were higher than us but maybe his priorities have changed (if you know you know).

 

Haven't got a clue. Is he pregnant? Going into politics? Got a big jigsaw to do?

[StrangelyBrown]

7 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

willingness to defend our box properly and a ruthless streak at the other end

I know I shouldn't feed a troll, but seriously?

Last ditch panic stations defending isnt defending our box properly. If either team had a half decent striker they would have beaten us. At the other end sub-bazunu levels ofinept goalkeeping gave us the win against QPR.

[Willo of Whiteley]

44 minutes ago, Suhari said:

Haven't got a clue. Is he pregnant? Going into politics? Got a big jigsaw to do?

He was quoted once as saying “Southampton are a selling club, I thought they were ambitious, perhaps their priorities have changed”.

[Polaroid Saint]

10 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

He was quoted once as saying “Southampton are a selling club, I thought they were ambitious, perhaps their priorities have changed”.

And, sadly, he was absolutely correct.

[Sheaf Saint]

1 minute ago, Polaroid Saint said:

And, sadly, he was absolutely correct.

Yep. And this was long before SR got their grubby hands on the club and diluted that ambition even further.

[goodymatt]

To be fair to Brendan, he has signed so many Saints players in the past he must secretly have always wanted to manage us? 

[SWLondon Saint]

8 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

, I think the idea that him carrying on is a ‘job for the boys’ or ‘brain dead’ is a bit of a over reaction. 

OK, if it's not 'brain dead', name a single caretaker manager who was promoted from within a club to be full time and was then successful in the last 20 years or so. We've done it twice and it was a disaster both times, so why do you think it would be a success this time?

The only one I can think of who had some success was Di Matteo at Chelsea and he was sacked within a few games of starting the next season anyway. And you can't say Chelsea were a basket case with managers without acknowledging we've been worse the last 3 seasons.

[ally_uk]

Out of those 3, Brenda Todgers allday long let's get it done ASAP 

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Juric about to be sacked by Atalanta - just saying.

[ChrisPY]

39 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

He was quoted once as saying “Southampton are a selling club, I thought they were ambitious, perhaps their priorities have changed”.

I’ve also interpreted it as ‘Southampton are a great club and with the right backing, could be playing Champions League football.’

[Turkish]

13 minutes ago, ally_uk said:

Out of those 3, Brenda Todgers allday long let's get it done ASAP 

Brenda Todgers

ohh so funny, there goes another rib, LMFAO. 

[Sarnia Cherie]

17 minutes ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

Juric about to be sacked by Atalanta - just saying.

If SR are considering RM then nothing is impossible.

[EBS1980]

A couple of people on Twitter are talking about Jacob Neestrup. 

[goodymatt]

23 minutes ago, SWLondon Saint said:

OK, if it's not 'brain dead', name a single caretaker manager who was promoted from within a club to be full time and was then successful in the last 20 years or so. We've done it twice and it was a disaster both times, so why do you think it would be a success this time?

The only one I can think of who had some success was Di Matteo at Chelsea and he was sacked within a few games of starting the next season anyway. And you can't say Chelsea were a basket case with managers without acknowledging we've been worse the last 3 seasons.

Does Brentford’s success with Frank and now Andrew’s fit the bill of internal promotions? There aren’t many although we have seen people step up as first team managers for the first time and do well such as the aforementioned Brentford pair, Rohl, Arteta, Maresca had a failure at Parma first. 

I agree with the sentiment of previous posts on this one. You can internally promote when you’re heading in a good direction as a club and have the platform to succeed. We need someone experienced to come in a build that platform from scratch.

[SWLondon Saint]

5 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

Does Brentford’s success with Frank and now Andrew’s fit the bill of internal promotions? There aren’t many although we have seen people step up as first team managers for the first time and do well such as the aforementioned Brentford pair, Rohl, Arteta, Maresca had a failure at Parma first. 

I agree with the sentiment of previous posts on this one. You can internally promote when you’re heading in a good direction as a club and have the platform to succeed. We need someone experienced to come in a build that platform from scratch.

That's a fair shout and I thought of them, but I'm not sure they'd count as caretakers, certainly Andrews got the job outright and it seemed well planned. I think the problem actually stems partly from being a 'caretaker', as it means you've just been given the job and not earned it which undermines authority from the word go. That definitely applies to Eckert plus Wigley / Selles.

[Fabrice29]

27 minutes ago, SWLondon Saint said:

OK, if it's not 'brain dead', name a single caretaker manager who was promoted from within a club to be full time and was then successful in the last 20 years or so. We've done it twice and it was a disaster both times, so why do you think it would be a success this time?

The only one I can think of who had some success was Di Matteo at Chelsea and he was sacked within a few games of starting the next season anyway. And you can't say Chelsea were a basket case with managers without acknowledging we've been worse the last 3 seasons.

Didn’t O’Neil and Solksjaer both start as caretakers? Both have been suggested as candidates for our job. Anyway, all I’m saying is the over reaction on here is silly. 

 

1 hour ago, StrangelyBrown said:

I know I shouldn't feed a troll, but seriously?

Last ditch panic stations defending isnt defending our box properly. If either team had a half decent striker they would have beaten us. At the other end sub-bazunu levels ofinept goalkeeping gave us the win against QPR.

If we had a half decent striker ourselves we’d have won quite a few more games and Will Still would be leading a 3 at the back revolution here. We don’t, they didn’t. I’m happy to get into a debate about how relevant managers are and how underlying data should factor into decision making but given some on here refuse to understand XG I think we’re fighting a losing battle and my simple point was, winning felt good and dismissing that seems stupid.

[Saintsarmy]

16 minutes ago, EBS1980 said:

A couple of people on Twitter are talking about Jacob Neestrup. 

The @AndrewH_2022 that first posted it on twitter has been known to make up a few rumours in his time, let’s see if this one has any substance to it! 

[saintwbu]

6 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Didn’t O’Neil and Solksjaer both start as caretakers? Both have been suggested as candidates for our job. Anyway, all I’m saying is the over reaction on here is silly. 

 

If we had a half decent striker ourselves we’d have won quite a few more games and Will Still would be leading a 3 at the back revolution here. We don’t, they didn’t. I’m happy to get into a debate about how relevant managers are and how underlying data should factor into decision making but given some on here refuse to understand XG I think we’re fighting a losing battle and my simple point was, winning felt good and dismissing that seems stupid.

We’ve kept 2 clean sheets in the league all season despite playing 5 defenders in almost every game so far, there’s no such thing as a 3 at the back revolution because it is an utterly shite way to play football. 

[Fabrice29]

3 minutes ago, saintwbu said:

We’ve kept 2 clean sheets in the league all season despite playing 5 defenders in almost every game so far, there’s no such thing as a 3 at the back revolution because it is an utterly shite way to play football. 

A) you completely missed the point I was making 

B) if you really think such a simple formation change holds the key to our success and makes such a difference then god bless that innocence and simple thought process

c) you completely missed the point I was making 

 

[saintwbu]

3 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

A) you completely missed the point I was making 

B) if you really think such a simple formation change holds the key to our success and makes such a difference then god bless that innocence and simple thought process

c) you completely missed the point I was making 

 

Your point is that if we had a better striker we’d have won more games, my point is if we’d had a better manager we’d have won more games. Scoring goals has been a problem, but terrible setup and even worse substitutions has been a bigger one. 

[Pamplemousse]

14 minutes ago, Saintsarmy said:

The @AndrewH_2022 that first posted it on twitter has been known to make up a few rumours in his time, let’s see if this one has any substance to it! 

That's why I hadn't seen it. I'd blocked him ages ago, as have many others.

[Dusic]

Everyone agreed at (whether you like it or not) its highly likely Eckert is in charge at Charlton?

[DT]

Russell Martin is 5-1 for the Norwich job. Can really see that happening.

Really hope we don't go lazy and appoint Tonka toy.

Rodgers is the best we could hope for from that list.

Unless Rasmus gets his clever clever oar in and appoints a 13 year old computer programmer from Penge.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 minute ago, Dusic said:

Everyone agreed at (whether you like it or not) its highly likely Eckert is in charge at Charlton?

It's also highly likely that Eckert will be in charge for the rest of the season.

[Charlie Wayman]

10 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

Dont really understand the Eckert hate on here. Suspect he doesn't get the job and he's not my first choice but a manager delivering wins in this league is just getting dismissed again on here for some reason  

A win rate of 100% is not to be sneezed at. Unless its Guardiola some people on here will never be satisfied

[Matthew Le God]

5 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Everyone agreed at (whether you like it or not) its highly likely Eckert is in charge at Charlton?

 

3 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

It's also highly likely that Eckert will be in charge for the rest of the season.

How are you both determining the liklihood of that?

[Charlie Wayman]

41 minutes ago, EBS1980 said:

A couple of people on X are talking about Jacob Neestrup. 

Error fixed for free 

[Turkish]

38 minutes ago, EBS1980 said:

A couple of people on Twitter are talking about Jacob Neestrup. 

I watch a lot of Danish football and this guy is awesome. He likes to play with a treble outer pivot which means we increase turnovers, you'll often see his false 9s overlapping the inverted defensive wingers getting into the red zone creating a high level of XA, which when lead to quite a few conversions and a high XG. He likes a goal tender with high hand denial numbers so might not like Baz and prefers a 1-2-1-3-3 system which becomes 4-1-1-1-2-1 when defending. This is the most exciting link of the summer we can expect high numbers with an awesome philosophy. 

 

[Turkish]

27 minutes ago, Saintsarmy said:

The @AndrewH_2022 that first posted it on twitter has been known to make up a few rumours in his time, let’s see if this one has any substance to it! 

is that that helmet who often proceeds his posts with "controversial opinion but...."

He's an absolute whopper 

[Appy]

14 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Everyone agreed at (whether you like it or not) its highly likely Eckert is in charge at Charlton?

Everyone agreed? 
 

Someone isn’t up to speed with this forum. 

[Dusic]

6 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

 

How are you both determining the liklihood of that?

- Mentioned by reliable sources as being a candidate as soon as he replaced Still (Ornstein, House, Blackmore etc)

- Since won 2/2 and some signs of progress

- Spors told FAB that he was comfortable taking time as trusts Eckert

- Eckert very coy when asked about it all, certainly hasnt said anything about going back to his old job anytime soon

- Spors knowing Eckert very well and championing bringing him in following tough recruitment process

- No serious links to other candidates aside from O'Neil which will obviously not happen

- Financial cost of bringing in someone else plus staff and paying off existing staff

- Gut feeling considering the above and the way Eckert has spoken & acted.

All IMHO of course, 

Morph

[benjii]

Neestrup Mother Brown

Neestrup Mother Brown

Up the table you must go

Ee-aye, Ee-aye, Ee-aye-oh

[Stripey McStripe Shirt]

2 hours ago, DrSuess1979 said:

Not some

All of us 

How can you be sure?