New Manager Debate

[Appy]

1 minute ago, Dusic said:

- Mentioned by reliable sources as being a candidate as soon as he replaced Still (Ornstein, House, Blackmore etc)

- Since won 2/2 and some signs of progress

- Spors told FAB that he was comfortable taking time as trusts Eckert

- Eckert very coy when asked about it all, certainly hasnt said anything about going back to his old job anytime soon

- Spors knowing Eckert very well and championing bringing him in following tough recruitment process

- No serious links to other candidates aside from O'Neil which will obviously not happen

- Financial cost of bringing in someone else plus staff and paying off existing staff

- Gut feeling considering the above and the way Eckert has spoken & acted.

All IMHO of course, 

Morph

So all in your opinion but you think we should all be agreed on it? 

[Fabrice29]

29 minutes ago, saintwbu said:

Your point is that if we had a better striker we’d have won more games, my point is if we’d had a better manager we’d have won more games. Scoring goals has been a problem, but terrible setup and even worse substitutions has been a bigger one. 

Maybe if Sheff Wednesday had a better manager they’d have beat us? Or maybe not because our manager is the best of all time just waiting to be given a chance? 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

24 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

 

How are you both determining the liklihood of that?

Because it's the easiest and cheapest option. 

[Willo of Whiteley]

23 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I watch a lot of Danish football and this guy is awesome. He likes to play with a treble outer pivot which means we increase turnovers, you'll often see his false 9s overlapping the inverted defensive wingers getting into the red zone creating a high level of XA, which when lead to quite a few conversions and a high XG. He likes a goal tender with high hand denial numbers so might not like Baz and prefers a 1-2-1-3-3 system which becomes 4-1-1-1-2-1 when defending. This is the most exciting link of the summer we can expect high numbers with an awesome philosophy. 

 

That rules him out then. Our squad can’t follow anymore than simple instructions, and even that is a push 

[saintwbu]

12 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Maybe if Sheff Wednesday had a better manager they’d have beat us? Or maybe not because our manager is the best of all time just waiting to be given a chance? 

Maybe mate, or given the quality of our squad, if our manager had played a logical setup and not made bizarre substitutions we might have held onto leads at Watford, Derby and Blackburn, and xG wouldn’t have been of any importance?

[DrSuess1979]

24 minutes ago, Stripey McStripe Shirt said:

How can you be sure?

Why is there a Hummel logo in the background? 

[tdmickey3]

2 hours ago, Dusic said:

Everyone agreed at (whether you like it or not) its highly likely Eckert is in charge at Charlton?

Yes, because we have stupid people in charge, despite the club stooge suggesting there is hate for him on here, there isn't.

We just know the job here will be to big for him and needs an experienced and strong personality

Edited 2 hours ago by tdmickey3

[saintant]

11 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

Dont really understand the Eckert hate on here. Suspect he doesn't get the job and he's not my first choice but a manager delivering wins in this league is just getting dismissed again on here for some reason  

Nobody hates him. 

[skintsaint]

1 hour ago, EBS1980 said:

A couple of people on Twitter are talking about Jacob Neestrup. 

Will be tough to prize him away going on this from the summer :

https://www.fck.dk/en/news/statement-regarding-jacob-neestrup

[Fitzhugh Fella]

When Lowe was looking to save a few bob (wouldn't let Moyes bring in his back room staff) he went for Stuart Gray which was pretty short lived and then, of course, having not learned his lesson that promoting from within rarely works, went for Steve Wigley. Again it soon imploded. I think it was Liverpool who went down the Shankley, Paisley, Fagan route who first convinced the football world promoting from within works. We are no Liverpool.

[EssEffCee]

11 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

I've spoke to people in both corners of the ground yesterday and can assure you it wasn't heard by everyone. Both the away fans and Itchen corner think Northam has been quiet this season, and yesterday.

I sit in the chapel and agree you can barely hear the northam from there most of the time but did hear the GON chant on more than one occasion.

[Fabrice29]

38 minutes ago, saintwbu said:

Maybe mate, or given the quality of our squad, if our manager had played a logical setup and not made bizarre substitutions we might have held onto leads at Watford, Derby and Blackburn, and xG wouldn’t have been of any importance?

Yeah maybe, which was kind of my point originally. Seeing out wins is good. Thanks.

[AlexLaw76]

23 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Will be tough to prize him away going on this from the summer :

https://www.fck.dk/en/news/statement-regarding-jacob-neestrup

Does he play 3 at the back?

[stknowle]

11 hours ago, Forester said:

As others have pointed out, we don’t have a great record 

I hate ‘fixed it for you’ posts but……

[skintsaint]

2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Does he play 3 at the back?

 

apparently

 

[ally_uk]

2 hours ago, Turkish said:

Brenda Todgers

ohh so funny, there goes another rib, LMFAO. 

Don't be a twat Turkish..... 

[AlexLaw76]

3 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

 

apparently

 

 

[Sheaf Saint]

1 hour ago, Charlie Wayman said:

A win rate of 100% is not to be sneezed at.

In a sample size of two, against two of the worst teams we will face all season, where we rode our luck and only really played anything even resembling decent football for one half against the basket-case bottom team and relied on them having an emergency loan keeper who is even worse than ours to give us the lead. I've not seen a single shred of evidence to suggest that Eckert would be any improvement at all on Still.

We are in the mess we are in because SR fucked up by appointing a young, inexperienced manager in the summer who was never the right person to steady the ship after the total catastrophe of last season, and Eckert has even less experience (none at all at first team level, let alone in the Championship).

Giving him the job would be beyond negligent, and frankly I am gobsmacked that we have any fans who actually think it's not the worst idea.

[malcolm waldron]

1 hour ago, DT said:

Russell Martin is 5-1 for the Norwich job. Can really see that happening.

Really hope we don't go lazy and appoint Tonka toy.

Rodgers is the best we could hope for from that list.

Unless Rasmus gets his clever clever oar in and appoints a 13 year old computer programmer from Penge.

Don't be ridiculous - he wouldn't appoint someone from Penge.......🙄

[malcolm waldron]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

I watch a lot of Danish football and this guy is awesome. He likes to play with a treble outer pivot which means we increase turnovers, you'll often see his false 9s overlapping the inverted defensive wingers getting into the red zone creating a high level of XA, which when lead to quite a few conversions and a high XG. He likes a goal tender with high hand denial numbers so might not like Baz and prefers a 1-2-1-3-3 system which becomes 4-1-1-1-2-1 when defending. This is the most exciting link of the summer we can expect high numbers with an awesome philosophy. 

 

You've let yourself down there I'm afraid.  Surely you meant against the ball, or maybe even out of possession.....?

[revolution saint]

8 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

 

Giving him the job would be beyond negligent, and frankly I am gobsmacked that we have any fans who actually think it's not the worst idea.

Generally speaking, I hate this kind of statement.  I mean, in most cases I can at least understand an argument from a different point of view even if I disagree with it.

I've got my reservations when it comes to Eckert, many for the reasons you mention, but the lad has won two out of two and while the performances haven't all been great, he's at least done what he needed to in a week where he wouldn't have had any time to work on much at all.  If anyone expected him to come in, win both games and dramatically change the style and formation then that's probably overly optimistic.

Personally I've got an open mind on him and given there doesn't appear to be a stand out contender for the job then I'm happy for him to carry on as interim, give him some more opportunities and see where we are after 10 or so games.

[sockeye]

Praising Eckert for the last two games is ridiculous. The difference between those two games and the ones before was our finishing. The performances as a whole were still woeful

[AlexLaw76]

6 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

Generally speaking, I hate this kind of statement.  I mean, in most cases I can at least understand an argument from a different point of view even if I disagree with it.

I've got my reservations when it comes to Eckert, many for the reasons you mention, but the lad has won two out of two and while the performances haven't all been great, he's at least done what he needed to in a week where he wouldn't have had any time to work on much at all.  If anyone expected him to come in, win both games and dramatically change the style and formation then that's probably overly optimistic.

Personally I've got an open mind on him and given there doesn't appear to be a stand out contender for the job then I'm happy for him to carry on as interim, give him some more opportunities and see where we are after 10 or so games.

Eckert has done little other than being in the building. I would have expected Will Still to have beaten Weds, who are pretty woeful. 
 

[Sheaf Saint]

4 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

Generally speaking, I hate this kind of statement.  I mean, in most cases I can at least understand an argument from a different point of view even if I disagree with it.

I've got my reservations when it comes to Eckert, many for the reasons you mention, but the lad has won two out of two and while the performances haven't all been great, he's at least done what he needed to in a week where he wouldn't have had any time to work on much at all.  If anyone expected him to come in, win both games and dramatically change the style and formation then that's probably overly optimistic.

Personally I've got an open mind on him and given there doesn't appear to be a stand out contender for the job then I'm happy for him to carry on as interim, give him some more opportunities and see where we are after 10 or so games.

OK I respect the fact that you have a different view, but I also have to firmly disagree with you.

Giving another ten games to a young coach with no experience of ever managing a first team in the vain hope that he might turn out to be OK would be just insanity in our current situation - doing the same thing again and expecting a different result.

[Patrick Bateman]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Eckert has done little other than being in the building. I would have expected Will Still to have beaten Weds, who are pretty woeful. 
 

I'm not so sure, I don't know if it was my imagination, but sitting there watching on Saturday I saw more effort than before - I actually think they've stepped up a gear. I'm not saying that's to do with the manager, but maybe there was a lack of effort under Still? That's how I observed it anyway. 

Put it another way, goals aside, I was less bored in that match than the previous ones 😂

[Turkish]

16 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Eckert has done little other than being in the building. I would have expected Will Still to have beaten Weds, who are pretty woeful. 
 

Given we destroy careers of most managers and players then for his own good he should come out and say he doesn’t want it

[AlexLaw76]

29 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

I'm not so sure, I don't know if it was my imagination, but sitting there watching on Saturday I saw more effort than before - I actually think they've stepped up a gear. I'm not saying that's to do with the manager, but maybe there was a lack of effort under Still? That's how I observed it anyway. 

Put it another way, goals aside, I was less bored in that match than the previous ones 😂

Fair point. I pit that to the dire opposition was faced, which was a bit like Swansea.

Weds still had nearly 60% of the ball and 1 less shot that is, but never looked like winning to be fair.

my point about the claim Eckart has “done what he needed to do”… is that I am not sure he has done much / anything other than being in the building for these fixtures. Against 2 poor sides, we faced as many shots as we did against Blackburn and Preston, with an almost identical expected goals.

difference here, Leo scored a worldly and the weds keeper / defender threw one in.

good to win 2 on the bounce but this is unfair to suggest Eckart is turning it around. 

Edited 2 hours ago by AlexLaw76

[revolution saint]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

Fair point. I pit that to the dire opposition was faced, which was a bit like Swansea.

Weds still had nearly 60% of the ball and 1 less shot that is, but never looked like winning to be fair.

my point about the claim Eckart has “done what he needed to do”… is that I am not sure he has done much / anything other than being in the holding for these fixtures. Against 2 poor sides, we faced as many shots as we did against Blackburn and Preston, with an almost identical expected goals.

difference here, Leo scored a worldly and the weds keeper / defender threw one in.

good to win 2 on the bounce but this is unfair to suggest Eckart is turning it around. 

Funny, didn't have you down as one of those trendy hipster stat freaks.

[Channons Windmill]

Quote

 

GON lives very close to Penge….

Edited 2 hours ago by Channons Windmill

[Channons Windmill]

50 minutes ago, malcolm waldron said:

Don't be ridiculous - he wouldn't appoint someone from Penge.......🙄

GON lives very close to Penge….

[malcolm waldron]

1 minute ago, Channons Windmill said:

GON lives very close to Penge….

😀 But he's cup-tied though isn't he........?

[sockeye]

27 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

sitting there watching on Saturday I saw more effort than before - I actually think they've stepped up a gear

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I would put that down to the players shedding the manager they didn’t want. Now they have to put in effort to impress someone new.

[Saint_clark]

8 minutes ago, sockeye said:

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I would put that down to the players shedding the manager they didn’t want. Now they have to put in effort to impress someone new.

Bunch of pricks kicking up a fuss because they were being asked to play a style they didn't like. 

[Saint_clark]

Whoever the new manager is, can the Northam please stop encouraging them to do the embarrassing fist pump celebration after every single win. 

[derry]

A hard bitten experienced manager. Rodgers looks like the closest to that for me.

[benjii]

48 minutes ago, sockeye said:

Praising Eckert for the last two games is ridiculous. The difference between those two games and the ones before was our finishing. The performances as a whole were still woeful

Nah, we were far better against Sheff Wed. Still don't think he should get the job, but we actually looked like a team that knew roughly what it was doing for the first time.

[benjii]

43 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

I'm not so sure, I don't know if it was my imagination, but sitting there watching on Saturday I saw more effort than before - I actually think they've stepped up a gear. I'm not saying that's to do with the manager, but maybe there was a lack of effort under Still? That's how I observed it anyway. 

Put it another way, goals aside, I was less bored in that match than the previous ones 😂

It wasn't effort, it was positioning and use of the ball. The midfield was much more coherent and we worked channels for the CBs to find the inside forwards. The wing backs also seemed to start higher.

[tdmickey3]

7 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Bunch of pricks kicking up a fuss because they were being asked to play a style they didn't like. 

Maybe but we are still playing the same style

[West end Saints]

51 minutes ago, sockeye said:

Praising Eckert for the last two games is ridiculous. The difference between those two games and the ones before was our finishing. The performances as a whole were still woeful

So Still was a bad manager because despite several decent performances he didn't win games and that's what matters.

And Eckert is bad cos despite two wins the performances were not good.

Ok got it 😉

[Hopper]

2 minutes ago, benjii said:

It wasn't effort, it was positioning and use of the ball. The midfield was much more coherent and we worked channels for the CBs to find the inside forwards. The wing backs also seemed to start higher.

Agreed. I definitely saw a much more deliberate move to play out from the back (I believe this is why he put Bazunu back in) and the boys were also shifting the ball quicker and trying to find the spaces.

[Baird of the land]

58 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Eckert has done little other than being in the building. I would have expected Will Still to have beaten Weds, who are pretty woeful. 
 

I wouldn't have expected the fraud to have won either.

[UpweySaint]

5 hours ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

To summarise then:

Russell Martin - It won’t be happening, lazy link in the first place.

Ralph Hassenhutl - It won’t be happening, another lazy link for the bookies.

Tonda Ekhart - played two poor teams, two wins yes but not particularly good football, just more of the same rubbish. But I think he’ll be most likely to get it at the moment, sadly.

Michael Carrick - RM MKII from what I’ve read.

Brendan Rodgers - would be great, but would be ambitious, I thought his ambitions were higher than us but maybe his priorities have changed (if you know you know).

Gary O’Neill - taking the Pompey element out of it, he has still done nothing at any club he has been at.

Carlos Corberan - never really understood the hype around him, didn’t think he was particularly good at West Brom.

Liam Rosenior (for DT) - CL manager, doing very well in Ligue 1, why the f*** would he leave to come to us?! 🤣

I keep looking at the lists and wonder why there isn’t a few more continental names on there. I’m not saying we will/should go that way but it looks like a narrow field of candidates otherwise.

Carrick I am so so O’Neil uninspired but would make some sense. Rodgers is a prick but has some pedigree. Martin - never going to happen. Ralph could be interesting but I don’t see it happening. Corberan I like but get why others don’t. Eckert has done okay but doesn’t feel like the man we need here and now - no point judging him too much after two games but the fact that they are the only two games he has managed in first team football is exactly why appointing him feels like an absurd risk.

I would be surprised if this is therefore our actual list which leads me to conclude that there probably is not much public knowledge of who we are actually interested in. 

 

[danjosaint]

TE id imagine is listening to the likes of Stephens etc to see what works best for them, This has all stemmed from Rusty causing a 'mates' culture within certain group of players 

[Stripey McStripe Shirt]

2 hours ago, DrSuess1979 said:

Why is there a Hummel logo in the background? 

Possibly advertising the retro range.

[benjii]

20 minutes ago, West end Saints said:

So Still was a bad manager because despite several decent performances he didn't win games and that's what matters.

And Eckert is bad cos despite two wins the performances were not good.

Ok got it 😉

Must have missed those several decent performances. 

Ipswich away first half we were decent.

We battered someone 0-0, can't remember who. 

Apart from that, nothing we did under Still was much good at all.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

Just now, benjii said:

Must have missed those several decent performances. 

Ipswich away first half we were decent.

We battered someone 0-0, can't remember who. 

Apart from that, nothing we did under Still was much good at all.

Probably our best performance under Still was against Norwich reserves in the cup.

[EBS1980]

3 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Error fixed for free 

Will always be known as Twitter to me 

[Chez]

14 minutes ago, Hopper said:

Agreed. I definitely saw a much more deliberate move to play out from the back (I believe this is why he put Bazunu back in) and the boys were also shifting the ball quicker and trying to find the spaces.

We've been playing it out from the back all season. Maybe not successfully, but short passing across the back four and down the line has been there the whole time. Was the difference that we got it into the central midfielders and between the lines more?

TE got what, Monday and Tuesday and Thursday and Friday to train the players. I'd imagine Thursday training was pretty light, after a game the night before, so the idea that he was able to change the way we play in that short period is unlikely.

Individual and collective performances are often about confidence and belief. The manager can be positive and give pep talks, but confidence comes from players playing well and teams winning games.

[Chez]

3 minutes ago, benjii said:

We battered someone 0-0, can't remember who. 

Swansea?

[skintsaint]

7 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Probably our best performance under Still was against Norwich reserves in the cup.

Though the Liverpool reserves performance was decent enough too.