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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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9 minutes ago, egg said:

I largely agree with that. The issue for me is more about how we play, not the shape. We need to play with more urgency, and get the ball into the midfielders or the channels. I also don't think we have a decent full back on either side, so don't have the personnel for a solid back 4. 

Well we dont have the personnel for a solid back five either given how many goals we have conceded playing that formation. Given that we concede goals either way, I'd rather have more in midfield and less of a gap between defence and attack. Fellows is obviously better further forward and so I'd rather take a punt that they can create and score more that way than continuing to play negative, boring and defensive tactics that cause us to lose anyway. 

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badgerx16

badgerx16

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16 minutes ago, NewYorkSaint said:

 

Remind me what our formation was when we blew away every team in the first half on four different occasions?   Oh... that's right... five at the back.          It's weird that once the fan-base gets locked into a single explanation for our woes, any appeal to actual evidence goes out the window.   The first 20 comments on X on the team announcement are all winging about that one thing. As opposed to saying... this is about the best line-up we can field right now.     To me the main thing that's needed is a real commitment to moving the ball fast, even if that sometimes goes wrong.   When it goes right, confidence builds and we become unstoppable.  I think it's 50/50 that we return today to a thrilling first half and a minimum of two goals.

Our performances ( especially in the second halfs), form, and league position.

Mattio

Mattio

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Whoever does the line ups on the official app clearly wants 4 at the back too cos that’s how they’ve put us there

Osvaldorama

Osvaldorama

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Just now, Willo of Whiteley said:

Can you imagine a scenario where players were played in their proper positions…

Nice, right… 🥲


It’s so fucking infuriating supporting this hideous club atm. Making the same mistakes over and over and over   
 

Should have too much for them today anyway with all their injuries 

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StrangelyBrown

StrangelyBrown

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18 minutes ago, NewYorkSaint said:

 

Remind me what our formation was when we blew away every team in the first half on four different occasions?   Oh... that's right... five at the back.          It's weird that once the fan-base gets locked into a single explanation for our woes, any appeal to actual evidence goes out the window.   The first 20 comments on X on the team announcement are all winging about that one thing. As opposed to saying... this is about the best line-up we can field right now.     To me the main thing that's needed is a real commitment to moving the ball fast, even if that sometimes goes wrong.   When it goes right, confidence builds and we become unstoppable.  I think it's 50/50 that we return today to a thrilling first half and a minimum of two goals.

Have you noticed how we are one person down in midfield and all the other managers have cottoned on to it because we're wedded to doing the same thing week in week out? It worked to begin with before other managers realised how to beat us. Now we just pass the ball across the back line a lot and that's it.

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Willo of Whiteley

Willo of Whiteley

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Just now, trousers said:

Any idea why Stewart and Stephens are warming up with the starting 11 but the other subs aren't...?

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Part of the “inner core”.

The “untouchables”.

The “ones who run the club”.

(I’m being sarcastic but I’m sure some will take it as fact). 😂

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egg

egg

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Just now, Mboto Gorge said:

Maybe if we stop losing games continuously in the same manner, and actually start winning again and playing even half decently using this formation, then the comments might stop? Just a thought. It’s completely credible to share frustrations at a way of playing being continuously repeated despite zero recent success whilst playing it.

The other side of the coin, is how bloody frustrating it is to read the same whining, constantly. I'd love to see us playing 4231, but we haven't got good enough full backs to make it work.

Jelert and Wellington were full backs against Doncaster and were shite. People aren't thinking it through calling for the same in the league. 

Upgrade the full backs, then 4231 is the way to go. 

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AlexLaw76

AlexLaw76

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1 minute ago, egg said:

The other side of the coin, is how bloody frustrating it is to read the same whining, constantly.

You do read the Lounge right?

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saintant

saintant

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22 minutes ago, NewYorkSaint said:

 

Remind me what our formation was when we blew away every team in the first half on four different occasions?   Oh... that's right... five at the back.          It's weird that once the fan-base gets locked into a single explanation for our woes, any appeal to actual evidence goes out the window.   The first 20 comments on X on the team announcement are all winging about that one thing. As opposed to saying... this is about the best line-up we can field right now.     To me the main thing that's needed is a real commitment to moving the ball fast, even if that sometimes goes wrong.   When it goes right, confidence builds and we become unstoppable.  I think it's 50/50 that we return today to a thrilling first half and a minimum of two goals.

Agree but you can't do that if the majority of your possession consists of pointless 5-10 yard passes between the defenders and midfield especially with Downes playing bounce passes back to whoever gives the ball to him. 

Baird of the land

Baird of the land

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40 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

How the holy fuck does Manning get himself picked at LWB every week FFS? How shit must Welington be in training to not manage to displace him? 

Thought welington was good in the cup.

guess the manager thinks manning offers more going forward but I’d prefer the one who is better defensively.

egg

egg

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5 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Well we dont have the personnel for a solid back five either given how many goals we have conceded playing that formation. Given that we concede goals either way, I'd rather have more in midfield and less of a gap between defence and attack. Fellows is obviously better further forward and so I'd rather take a punt that they can create and score more that way than continuing to play negative, boring and defensive tactics that cause us to lose anyway. 

We'd be worse with a 4 imo. Your suggested line up ^^^ is the same back 4 as we played at Doncaster, but with Wood in place of Quarshie. It's a shocking back 4, and if it didn't work at Doncaster, it won't work against anyone in the league. 

Anyways, it's been done to death.

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Maggie May

Maggie May

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26 minutes ago, NewYorkSaint said:

 

Remind me what our formation was when we blew away every team in the first half on four different occasions?   Oh... that's right... five at the back.          It's weird that once the fan-base gets locked into a single explanation for our woes, any appeal to actual evidence goes out the window.   The first 20 comments on X on the team announcement are all winging about that one thing. As opposed to saying... this is about the best line-up we can field right now.     To me the main thing that's needed is a real commitment to moving the ball fast, even if that sometimes goes wrong.   When it goes right, confidence builds and we become unstoppable.  I think it's 50/50 that we return today to a thrilling first half and a minimum of two goals.

Our fans would rather moan than get behind the team. They’ll change their tune when we smash Hull today.

Osvaldorama

Osvaldorama

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1 minute ago, egg said:

We'd be worse with a 4 imo. Your suggested line up ^^^ is the same back 4 as we played at Doncaster, but with Wood in place of Quarshie. It's a shocking back 4, and if it didn't work at Doncaster, it won't work against anyone in the league. 

Anyways, it's been done to death.


We looked ok first half with a back 4. You’re chatting waffle there. 

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Saint Fan CaM

Saint Fan CaM

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1 minute ago, Baird of the land said:

Thought welington was good in the cup.

guess the manager thinks manning offers more going forward but I’d prefer the one who is better defensively.

That would make sense in a back 4, but Tonda has his hands tied and has to comply with Group Policy by playing a back 5. The crazy thing is that Wellington is better defensively, but is also more forward thinking too, although I suspect career stats say otherwise.

Saint NL

Saint NL

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12 minutes ago, trousers said:

Any idea why Stewart and Stephens are warming up with the starting 11 but the other subs aren't...?

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That's the team for the second half

Baz Fl

Baz Fl

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Lots of complaints about back 5, most managers play 3 center backs when they don’t think they have a good enough 2 and in large part I’d agree with Tonda if that’s his concern 

Badger

Badger

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21 minutes ago, Mboto Gorge said:

The stupid thing is, he isn’t even a manager, he is some puppet to the owners, promoted out of his depth to a level he’s never coached at before, because of some vanity project of Spors. Absolute joke the entire situation 

This is the common thing now as seen elsewhere recently.

Frankly, I feel sorry for the bloke being put in this position at an early stage of his career. 
 

Vanity project no doubt, but whose ? I still expect this all leads back to Rasmus, despite some protests to the contrary.

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obelisk

obelisk

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I'm expecting another good point today in Saints effort to stay clear of the relegation places. My hope and expectation is for lower mid table security. Anything more than that would be a bonus of course.

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bugenhagen

bugenhagen

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Just now, Baz Fl said:

Lots of complaints about back 5, most managers play 3 center backs when they don’t think they have a good enough 2 and in large part I’d agree with Tonda if that’s his concern 

This is not directed at you spesifically, but I love all the different reasoning from people trying to justify 5 at the back:

First we were told we could not play a back four due to all our right backs were out injured.
Then it is because we have no suitable left back...
No, now it's becuase we have poor CB's

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AlexLaw76

AlexLaw76

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What a save

This is horrific. They have a massive injury crisis

We are already sat on the 18 yard line, with about 7 players there...

I hate this formation

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RedArmy

RedArmy

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Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

What a save

This is horrific. They have a massive injury crisis

 

No they don’t, this is a strong team they’ve put out. They’re only missing 2 or 3 

Saint NL

Saint NL

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Just now, Osvaldorama said:

We finally have a keeper that can make saves!

His kicking looks horrific, so he's the total opposite of Bazunu

Jack

Jack

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Fucking criminal playing Tom Fellows as a right back. Get rid of these cunts asap. Manager, owners none of them fit for purpose 

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Greedyfly

Greedyfly

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4 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

We finally have a keeper that can make saves!

Just 10 other positions to sort out now....

 

No, sorry, 11. Manager.

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