Should Saints Sack Tonda?

[BARCELONASAINT]

2 minutes ago, Saint_lambden said:

And if you believe that you'll believe anything. 

who the hell bloody cares apart from the namby pamby British who get worked up about the slightest thing!

There's a drop of rain.....quick build an Ark the floods are coming.

There's some nice sunny weather....oh fuck we are going to end up like the surface of Mars by Christmas

FFS!

[hypochondriac]

15 minutes ago, Saint_lambden said:

And if you believe that you'll believe anything. 

You know as much as anyone else.

[Lard]

If,and a big if, the players that remain give vocal support for Tonda to stay,I’m all for it. (FA investigation allowing). 
I think there will be a siege mentality if so. 
We are going to get vast amounts of vitriol thrown at us and I think that could work in our favour under Eckhert at the helm.
The desire to prove our detractors wrong will be massive,and that needs to come from the top. 
someone who understands what this seasons complete cock up means and wants to put it right. 

Edited 17 hours ago by Lard

[Weston Super Saint]

13 minutes ago, Lard said:

If,and a big if, the players that remain give vocal support for Tonda to stay,I’m all for it. (FA investigation allowing). 
I think there will be a siege mentality if so. 
We are going to get vast amounts of vitriol thrown at us and I think that could work in our favour under Eckhert at the helm.
The desire to prove our detractors wrong will be massive,and that needs to come from the top. 
someone who understands what this seasons complete cock up means and wants to put it right. 

No we won't.  Boro will do some pathetic moaning and acting the victim.  I guarantee the rest of the league will have light hearted banter, plastic binoculars, maybe some blow up palm trees to hide behind, but after the first round of games that will die out.  The vast majority of the footballing world thinks this is comical and really aren't upset at all!

[VectisSaint]

1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Pretty sure the FA insists that ALL clubs have an anti bullying policy and requires the clubs to investigate incidents not the FA themselves...  Otherwise they could be tied up investigating incidents between fuckwit FC and back of beyond united!!

They do, but when a complaint is made or reported to the FA then the FA will investigate. As I understand it, if a complaint was made at all, it was reported by the EFL. Of course for all I know no complaint has been made but them's the rumours and usually there is no smoke without fire.

In 2018 the FA ran an investigation into allegations of bullying made against head of strategy and performance Dave Reddin. The outcome was that there was no issue, but they took it seriously enough.

Edited 16 hours ago by VectisSaint
Added the Reddin case

[PerthshireSaint]

Has Carbonara signed yet ?

[saintant]

1 hour ago, ChristopheVAFC said:

This is the press article relayed by JustSaint:

Southampton stars want Tonda Eckert to STAY despite Spygate costing club £215m – but he still could be sacked or banned

Justin Allen , Chief EFL Writer

Published: 12:31, 29 May 2026

Updated: 12:45, 29 May 2026

SOUTHAMPTON players want Tonda Eckert to stay on as manager despite the Spygate saga costing them Premier League football.

The 33-year-old German boss led the Saints to a 21-game unbeaten run but the club were expelled from the play-off final after a club analyst was caught spying on a Middlesbrough training session.

It also emerged the south coast team had snooped on Ipswich and Oxford.

Boro, who they beat in the semi-finals, were reinstated to the play-off final where they were beaten by Hull.

Sources have revealed to SunSport that the majority of the Southampton squad gave Eckert their backing at a team meeting held last week at the training ground.

One Saints insider said: “Most of the squad have given Tonda an overwhelmingly positive reaction despite what happened.

“Not everyone was completely happy, of course, but the majority of them believe keeping Tonda as manager gives them the best possible chance of getting promoted to the Premier League next season.”

But Eckert’s future remains uncertain.

Southampton bigwigs are yet to decide whether they want him to remain — and could yet sack him.

The German also faces potential FA charges, which could even see him banned from coaching for 18 months.

He admitted breaking EFL regulations – but maintains he did not know football espionage was against the rules in this country as the practice is widespread across Europe where he has previously worked.

SunSport understands that Eckert did not personally initiate the controversial spying plan — but was aware and authorised it due to his ignorance of the EFL rules.

Southampton fans have been in uproar and the club reached out to them with a statement last week — insisting they will repair broken trust.

Club chiefs are furious because promotion would have landed them a £215MILLION windfall.

Saints chief said in their statement: “Southampton Football Club has a proud history and strong foundations, but it is clear that trust now needs to be rebuilt. That work begins immediately

“The club will reflect carefully on the events that have led to this point, learn from them and take the necessary steps to move forward responsibly.

“While [this] is a painful moment, this football club will respond with humility, accountability and determination to put things right.”

Wonder which players were in the minority camp that did not support him continuing.

[Willo of Whiteley]

Who are the ones that think he’s a nob? 🤣

[ChristopheVAFC]

As the days go by, I'm increasingly convinced Tonda has a chance of staying next season despite the controversy.

His record speaks for itself; he's managed to bring a new dynamic to the team. Today, the press is reporting that the majority of players want him to stay, and I've also read that Tonda is now highly sought after in other countries, where clubs would be ready to sign him if he were dismissed.

One thing to watch is the FA investigation, which could potentially jeopardize Tonda's position on the bench.

If I had to give my prediction today: 60% chance he stays and 40% chance he leaves.

To be continued!

[sadoldgit]

It seems that most of the players support him.

[Saint86]

20 minutes ago, ChristopheVAFC said:

As the days go by, I'm increasingly convinced Tonda has a chance of staying next season despite the controversy.

His record speaks for itself; he's managed to bring a new dynamic to the team. Today, the press is reporting that the majority of players want him to stay, and I've also read that Tonda is now highly sought after in other countries, where clubs would be ready to sign him if he were dismissed.

One thing to watch is the FA investigation, which could potentially jeopardize Tonda's position on the bench.

If I had to give my prediction today: 60% chance he stays and 40% chance he leaves.

To be continued!

Sadly my friend, it's more likely than not that the FA will use this chance to go in two footed on saints (and therefore look like they are doing something to protect the game), because they won't tackle serious offenders (due to corruption or cowardice). Smaller and less connected clubs have always been easy pickings in the UK, and saints have never been that well liked by the establishment. I have been one of the most vocal for tonda to stay, but even I expect deep down for us to get bent over... And with that, I fully expect the FA to drag it out as long as possible and blow up our summer / pre season plans. Wouldn't be that  surprised if they go after spors, or even try to install an external over sight committee of our scouting/analytics departments to boot.

Blood is in the water, saints look weak and vulnerable, people will take us for all they can in any aspect of the footballing world. It's on the club to be robust and stand up to that, and so far there have been precious few signs of that happening (at least that we can publically see).

(I'm a cheerful soul aren't I 🤣🫣)

Edited 15 hours ago by Saint86

[ChristopheVAFC]

10 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Sadly my friend, it's more likely than not that the FA will use this chance to go in two footed on saints (and therefore look like they are doing something to protect the game), because they won't tackle serious offenders (due to corruption or cowardice). Smaller and less connected clubs have always been easy pickings in the UK, and saints have never been that well liked by the establishment. I have been one of the most vocal for tonda to stay, but even I expect deep down for us to get bent over... And with that, I fully expect the FA to drag it out as long as possible and blow up our summer / pre season plans. Wouldn't be that  surprised if they go after spors, or even try to install an external over sight committee of our scouting/analytics departments to boot.

Blood is in the water, saints look weak and vulnerable, people will take us for all they can in any aspect of the footballing world. It's on the club to be robust and stand up to that, and so far there have been precious few signs of that happening (at least that we can publically see).

(I'm a cheerful soul aren't I 🤣🫣)

My friend, that’s precisely the question mark hanging over Tonda; the FA’s investigation could turn things on their head and see Tonda banned for 18 months from sitting on a football dugout, which would allow them to show everyone that the governing body won’t be doing anyone any favours.

Even though the prevailing view among the Saints’ supporters is that Tonda should stay on, it remains to be seen what will happen in the coming weeks.

We’ll also need to keep an eye on the decision by the board and the club’s management, as they wrote in the statement: “But it is clear that trust must now be rebuilt. This work begins immediately. The club will reflect carefully on the events that have led up to this point, learn from them and take the necessary steps to move forward responsibly.”

You are right to take all this in your stride; the damage is done and it is now time to move on for the sake of your club’s great history. 

[qwertyell]

On 27/05/2026 at 16:18, qwertyell said:

The way the club is run, I could certainly believe everyone has fucked off on holiday and they'll "figure it all out" when they return for pre-season. 

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PP is on leave this week as are a lot of people connected with the club as its half-term and traditionally a quiet week for football at the season's end

I was joking, by the way. 

[trousers]

15 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Sadly my friend, it's more likely than not that the FA will use this chance to go in two footed on saints (and therefore look like they are doing something to protect the game), because they won't tackle serious offenders (due to corruption or cowardice). Smaller and less connected clubs have always been easy pickings in the UK, and saints have never been that well liked by the establishment. I have been one of the most vocal for tonda to stay, but even I expect deep down for us to get bent over... And with that, I fully expect the FA to drag it out as long as possible and blow up our summer / pre season plans. Wouldn't be that  surprised if they go after spors, or even try to install an external over sight committee of our scouting/analytics departments to boot.

Blood is in the water, saints look weak and vulnerable, people will take us for all they can in any aspect of the footballing world. It's on the club to be robust and stand up to that, and so far there have been precious few signs of that happening (at least that we can publically see).

(I'm a cheerful soul aren't I 🤣🫣)

If they do, and it transpires that Eckert's discretions were no worse than Bielsa's (the activity thereof, not which unfit-for-purpose EFL rules happened to be in place at the time), then I hope we've still got the likes of Lord Pannick on stand by to pull the FA up on their inconsistencies. Hell, here's an idea... Maybe we should hire the De Marco legal fella that pulled the strings for Middlesbrough against us... That would be a plot twist and a half!

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[qwertyell]

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Edited 15 hours ago by qwertyell
double post

[LaptopSaint]

As I understand it we now have some serious lawyers on the case, who will take no shit on our behalf. Not before time. 
Nevertheless, tick tock SFC. That’s another week of complete silence gone by. You’d better have a pretty large hand grenade to throw when you emerge from the bunker. 

[Teamsaint1]

So what grounds would the FA need to have to give TE a lengthy ban ?
Wouldn’t they risk being in contravention of employment rights at some point ? 

[Hawkswood]

7 hours ago, Nordic Saint said:

Bielsa was rewarded with the FIFA Fair Play Award at the end of that season, and given the EFL Championship Manager of the Year award the following season.

Is that true ?

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 hours ago, Saint86 said:

and saints have never been that well liked by the establishment.

What a load of old pony….

[bugenhagen]

2 hours ago, Saint86 said:

Sadly my friend, it's more likely than not that the FA will use this chance to go in two footed on saints (and therefore look like they are doing something to protect the game), because they won't tackle serious offenders (due to corruption or cowardice). Smaller and less connected clubs have always been easy pickings in the UK, and saints have never been that well liked by the establishment. I have been one of the most vocal for tonda to stay, but even I expect deep down for us to get bent over... And with that, I fully expect the FA to drag it out as long as possible and blow up our summer / pre season plans. Wouldn't be that  surprised if they go after spors, or even try to install an external over sight committee of our scouting/analytics departments to boot.

Blood is in the water, saints look weak and vulnerable, people will take us for all they can in any aspect of the footballing world. It's on the club to be robust and stand up to that, and so far there have been precious few signs of that happening (at least that we can publically see).

(I'm a cheerful soul aren't I 🤣🫣)

I agree with you, and I don't think Tonda will be our manager next season even if the players, club and many supporters (including myself) want him.

The interesting part is that the club has begun to leak stories like "the players are behind Tonda" and "Tonda was not the instigator". I guess they are trying to sway the narrative to better suit what they want/plan (Tonda to stay).

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

40 minutes ago, bugenhagen said:

I agree with you, and I don't think Tonda will be our manager next season even if the players, club and many supporters (including myself) want him.

The interesting part is that the club has begun to leak stories like "the players are behind Tonda" and "Tonda was not the instigator". I guess they are trying to sway the narrative to better suit what they want/plan (Tonda to stay).

If they want Tonda to stay, they'll need to do a lot more than that. The FA will be considerably more concerned if the SFC lawyers release statements along the lines of they are preparing a civil case for tens of millions against the EFL due to loss of potential revenue, damaging the SR image, not following due process etc etc.

[bugenhagen]

24 minutes ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said:

If they want Tonda to stay, they'll need to do a lot more than that. The FA will be considerably more concerned if the SFC lawyers release statements along the lines of they are preparing a civil case for tens of millions against the EFL due to loss of potential revenue, damaging the SR image, not following due process etc etc.

We probably won't hear anything about the FA investigation and potential lawsuit until after the FA have given their verdict.

So we will plan with Tonda as manager until the FA gives him a ban, and then we will continue to plan with Tonda as we go through appeal etc, and by the time all that is over, the season has started and we have again promoted a new manager from within (Garner or Lallana)...

SR don't need no help damaging their image! 😉

[Cuddles]

13 minutes ago, bugenhagen said:

We probably won't hear anything about the FA investigation and potential lawsuit until after the FA have given their verdict.

So we will plan with Tonda as manager until the FA gives him a ban, and then we will continue to plan with Tonda as we go through appeal etc, and by the time all that is over, the season has started and we have again promoted a new manager from within (Garner or Lallana)...

SR don't need no help damaging their image! 😉

Are you on the board? #itk

[Dark Munster]

3 hours ago, LaptopSaint said:

As I understand it we now have some serious lawyers on the case, who will take no shit on our behalf. Not before time. 
Nevertheless, tick tock SFC. That’s another week of complete silence gone by. You’d better have a pretty large hand grenade to throw when you emerge from the bunker. 

I hope that's true. Source?

[rallyboy]

Gibson will be running another media campaign to get Tonda a lengthy ban, this time we need to challenge it and take some control of the narrative.

Boro had far too much to say, too much influence at the EFL and a hand on the tiller of the independent panel.

IF we do now have a sensible legal team they need to be reminding the football authorities how things work in the real world.

We tried humility and guilt, it got us royally shafted, perhaps it's time to advise them of the legal flaws in their processes, to stop listening to bitter Gibson and to wind their fucking necks in.

#enoughisenough

 

 

[Charlie Wayman]

12 hours ago, ChristopheVAFC said:

My friend, that’s precisely the question mark hanging over Tonda; the FA’s investigation could turn things on their head and see Tonda banned for 18 months from sitting on a football dugout, which would allow them to show everyone that the governing body won’t be doing anyone any favours.

Even though the prevailing view among the Saints’ supporters is that Tonda should stay on, it remains to be seen what will happen in the coming weeks.

We’ll also need to keep an eye on the decision by the board and the club’s management, as they wrote in the statement: “But it is clear that trust must now be rebuilt. This work begins immediately. The club will reflect carefully on the events that have led up to this point, learn from them and take the necessary steps to move forward responsibly.”

You are right to take all this in your stride; the damage is done and it is now time to move on for the sake of your club’s great history. 

How many times do we deserve to be punished as a club? 

Surely enough is enough now!

Stop the bloody witch hunt.

[Thripp87]

So we’re continuing to dither along thinking Tonda will be our manager, when there is a high probability the FA will make an example of him and get rid of him anyway? All on the basis some players, who won’t be at the club anyway, want him to stay. Sounds like a superb Sports Republic strategy to me.

Asterick can fuck off as far as I’m concerned.

 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, Charlie Wayman said:

How many times do we deserve to be punished as a club? 

Surely enough is enough now!

Stop the bloody witch hunt.

The FA announce their lead investigator...

[beatlesaint]

1 hour ago, rallyboy said:

Gibson will be running another media campaign to get Tonda a lengthy ban, this time we need to challenge it and take some control of the narrative.

I'm not sure, he got what he wanted then they went and blew it.

[VectisSaint]

11 hours ago, bugenhagen said:

I agree with you, and I don't think Tonda will be our manager next season even if the players, club and many supporters (including myself) want him.

The interesting part is that the club has begun to leak stories like "the players are behind Tonda" and "Tonda was not the instigator". I guess they are trying to sway the narrative to better suit what they want/plan (Tonda to stay).

The interesting point to me which you have picked up on, is that Tonda was not the instigator of the plan. I have been alluding to this in my infrequent comments, and in my view it is probably as much of a reason nothing has moved much yet as any other factor. The implication of this comment is that it is likely someone higher up knew about and instigated things, and this probably started before Tonda took the reins. Tonda was obviously complicit in authorising it to continue but others, and no idea if it's Spoors, Parsons, or whoever, knew about it and were even at the forefront. I'm certain as well that others, such as Garner, maybe even Lallana, and certainly one or two of the players knew exactly what was occurring. This is what the FA will be investigating, bringing the game into disrepute and also the alleged bullying of junior staff which they will take a dim view of. I suspect Saints are under an obligation to say nothing at present and not to do anything that would prejudice the investigation, similar to an injunction. Although this is a sporting rather than a legal investigation the rule of law will generally be followed. It could drag on for some time and completely wreck our summer plans. Let's hope not.

[sadoldgit]

30 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

I'm not sure, he got what he wanted then they went and blew it.

The more heat he aims at us, the less heat coming his way for failure.

[CB Fry]

2 hours ago, rallyboy said:

Gibson will be running another media campaign to get Tonda a lengthy ban

Personally I think Gibson has zero interest in this whatsoever.

People on here can create their own nemesis or bogeyman if you like but Gibson's objective was to get into the play off final. He achieved it. He hasn't got some obsession with getting our manager banned/sacked/whatever. He likely couldn't give a flying fuck.

 

[AlexLaw76]

4 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Personally I think Gibson has zero interest in this whatsoever.

People on here can create their own nemesis or bogeyman if you like but Gibson's objective was to get into the play off final. He achieved it. He hasn't got some obsession with getting our manager banned/sacked/whatever. He likely couldn't give a flying fuck.

 

Exactly. His job is to go into bat for his side...and he does and does it well.

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, Thripp87 said:

So we’re continuing to dither along thinking Tonda will be our manager, when there is a high probability the FA will make an example of him and get rid of him anyway? All on the basis some players, who won’t be at the club anyway, want him to stay. Sounds like a superb Sports Republic strategy to me.

Asterick can fuck off as far as I’m concerned.

 

Can the FA actually get rid of him? If he wasn’t acting alone for example, do you get rid of everyone? They can’t sack him, they don’t employ him. They could suspend him, but for how long? We have already seen that the EFL struggle with proportionality. Anything that the FA does sets another precedent. A fine? Suspension? A scapegoat or everybody directly involved with the decision making? Dragan as owner?

The EFL have already dug themselves into a very deep hole. Will the FA want to follow? The club have already received a brutal sentence. Anything else will be like spitting on the carcus.

If SFC were in the EPL when this happened we wouldn’t even be talking about this. How does the FA deal with something that is not good faith in one league but not a problem in another? Yes, technically we broke the rules and that is what they will focus on, but the problem they have, as do the EFL, is the weakness of the rule itself. What is a proportional punishment for such a badly thought out rule?

[AlexLaw76]

3 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Can the FA actually get rid of him? If he wasn’t acting alone for example, do you get rid of everyone? They can’t sack him, they don’t employ him. They could suspend him, but for how long? We have already seen that the EFL struggle with proportionality. Anything that the FA does sets another precedent. A fine? Suspension? A scapegoat or everybody directly involved with the decision making? Dragan as owner?

The EFL have already dug themselves into a very deep hole. Will the FA want to follow? The club have already received a brutal sentence. Anything else will be like spitting on the carcus.

If SFC were in the EPL when this happened we wouldn’t even be talking about this. How does the FA deal with something that is not good faith in one league but not a problem in another? Yes, technically we broke the rules and that is what they will focus on, but the problem they have, as do the EFL, is the weakness of the rule itself. What is a proportional punishment for such a badly thought out rule?

Christ alive.

We admitted to systemic cheating, got some points back for being honest (eventually), then kicked out of a knockout competition for cheating...which has happened in the EFL prior to this.

We may not like it, but we should never have set about to prolifically cheat

[EssEffCee]

10 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Can the FA actually get rid of him? If he wasn’t acting alone for example, do you get rid of everyone? They can’t sack him, they don’t employ him. They could suspend him, but for how long? We have already seen that the EFL struggle with proportionality. Anything that the FA does sets another precedent. A fine? Suspension? A scapegoat or everybody directly involved with the decision making? Dragan as owner?

The EFL have already dug themselves into a very deep hole. Will the FA want to follow? The club have already received a brutal sentence. Anything else will be like spitting on the carcus.

If SFC were in the EPL when this happened we wouldn’t even be talking about this. How does the FA deal with something that is not good faith in one league but not a problem in another? Yes, technically we broke the rules and that is what they will focus on, but the problem they have, as do the EFL, is the weakness of the rule itself. What is a proportional punishment for such a badly thought out rule?

Why have the EFL dug themselves a very deep hole? 

[rallyboy]

25 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Personally I think Gibson has zero interest in this whatsoever.

People on here can create their own nemesis or bogeyman if you like but Gibson's objective was to get into the play off final. He achieved it. He hasn't got some obsession with getting our manager banned/sacked/whatever. He likely couldn't give a flying fuck.

 

Zero interest? He's been obsessed with Saints for weeks.

He wants us weaker next season so I'd be amazed if he's drawn a line under it.

And he's the one who had to create a bogeyman, to distract from his own failures and his manager totally fucking up their season.

 

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, rallyboy said:

Zero interest? He's been obsessed with Saints for weeks.

He wants us weaker next season so I'd be amazed if he's drawn a line under it.

And he's the one who had to create a bogeyman, to distract from his own failures and his manager totally fucking up their season.

 

He is not obsessed with Saints, I do not recall Boro mentioned the club (other than the sale of Azaz) until we got caught out cheating on them. Nothing in the build up to the game/playoffs until this.

He saw the opportunity and took it.

[Thripp87]

17 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Can the FA actually get rid of him? If he wasn’t acting alone for example, do you get rid of everyone? They can’t sack him, they don’t employ him. They could suspend him, but for how long? We have already seen that the EFL struggle with proportionality. Anything that the FA does sets another precedent. A fine? Suspension? A scapegoat or everybody directly involved with the decision making? Dragan as owner?

The EFL have already dug themselves into a very deep hole. Will the FA want to follow? The club have already received a brutal sentence. Anything else will be like spitting on the carcus.

If SFC were in the EPL when this happened we wouldn’t even be talking about this. How does the FA deal with something that is not good faith in one league but not a problem in another? Yes, technically we broke the rules and that is what they will focus on, but the problem they have, as do the EFL, is the weakness of the rule itself. What is a proportional punishment for such a badly thought out rule?

Not sure they can get rid of him, but can impose a lengthy ban on him. You are right they struggle with disproportionate sanctions, but we are ripe for the taking and prime to be made an example of. Our pathetic performance to date will further enhance this view, let alone the fact we are little Southampton.
I think the FA will take a particularly dim view on the report showing we forced minors to carry out the act. A statement highlighting how we are supporting Will Salt during this time would also aid our case, all things we should have prepared and acted on by now.

Dithering will get us nowhere in a vital season before the parachute payments run out.

West Ham - already sorted Nuno.

Wolves - Got Trippier.

[hypochondriac]

27 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Exactly. His job is to go into bat for his side...and he does and does it well.

And he did a much better job of it than our side.

[obelisk]

16 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

systemic cheating

A spot of scouting your opponent is widespread and all part of the game, especially if they're doing their drills in public. Get a grip!

[obelisk]

1 minute ago, Thripp87 said:

we forced minors to carry out the act

Minors? Pull yourself together.

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, obelisk said:

A spot of scouting your opponent is widespread and all part of the game, especially if they're doing their drills in public. Get a grip!

Why did we admit to cheating (after lying about it), if it was just a spot of scouting?

[Thripp87]

2 minutes ago, obelisk said:

Minors? Pull yourself together.

It’s the woke world we live in. Not saying I agree with it, but that is the view the FA will take.

[Oldandtired]

I wonder if precedent applies here, if Saints could  point to Bielsa's punishment and argue that it shouldn't be any more severe?

If, and I repeat if, they have got some superduper lawyers on the case then perhaps the FA would have to have an answer for this.

[CB Fry]

8 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

Zero interest? He's been obsessed with Saints for weeks.

He wants us weaker next season so I'd be amazed if he's drawn a line under it.

And he's the one who had to create a bogeyman, to distract from his own failures and his manager totally fucking up their season.

 

No he hasn't. He was obsessed with getting Middlesbrough into the play off final.

That's it. He doesn't care about us any more.

[Dan Johnson]

I voted yes on the basis of his position being untenable and thought he’d have lost the backing of the players. 

however yesterdays sun article would suggest he may not have been as heavily at fault as first suggested and seemingly the majority of players still back him.

if that’s the case I’d change my vote to a No and would prefer he stays.

allot to come out in the wash still and until we’ve definitely determined root causes, I’ll reserve judgment 

[obelisk]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Why did we admit to cheating (after lying about it), if it was just a spot of scouting?

Don't ask me. I'd have told the EFL and the so-called "independent" panel to prove it and for "Gibbo" to buy a fence. Saints and some supporters need to get off their knees.

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, obelisk said:

Don't ask me. I'd have told the EFL and the so-called "independent" panel to prove it and for "Gibbo" to buy a fence. Saints and some supporters need to get off their knees.

Ah right, the club dropped to their knees and we never actually did anything wrong and admitted to something we never did.

 

Right oh

[Whitey Grandad]

33 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Christ alive.

We admitted to systemic cheating, got some points back for being honest (eventually), then kicked out of a knockout competition for cheating...which has happened in the EFL prior to this.

We may not like it, but we should never have set about to prolifically cheat

"systemic"

"prolifically"

Three games out of 46 does not qualify for these terms.