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    Having watched them both this season, I actually think Chambers is a better player than Shaw. And looks more likely to score more often (not his primary job, I know that).

    Is this one of those 'media' things where they've seen one player, are all fawning over each other and have forgotten to look across the back line?

    (Yes, I know Shaw is very good. I just happen to think Chambers is better).

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    I know lots of good players can't use both feet, but I hate it when Shaw tries and centres with the outside of his left foot because he really really can't use his right one.

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    Chambers is quality. Surprised he's not been called up by the U21's.

    I want Arsenal to wrap up the Serge Aurier deal ASAP so it'll hopefully lessen their interest in Chambers.

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    Remind us again how ormerod was the better and most successful striker.

    Yes - You are deluding yourself - Again.

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    When the time comes I reckon Chambers is our next centre back.

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    Stop it. Shaw is just better

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    Shaw and Clyne are better going forward than Chambers. Chambers is a greater defender imo, however we relied on advanced fullbacks under Mopo, in another team setup arguably higher quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    Stop it. Shaw is just better
    I don't think they are that far apart. Chambers has excellent composure and a lot more presence than Shaw.

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    Edit doh, confused Chambers with Targett
    Last edited by buctootim; 05-06-2014 at 12:47 PM.

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    Doesn't one play on the right and the other on the left?

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    Shaw much better.

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    Chambers very good but Shaw phenomenal.

    Has never been mugged off defensively and has an extra gear going forward (maybe two) than Chambers.

    His final ball will improve, but he has put loads of good crosses in last season, just often nobody in to score from 5 yards.

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    Shaw is better but I think Chambers has the potential to catch him up.

    Chambers is a much better crosser of the ball.

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    Chambers isn't as good as Clyne let alone Shaw

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    Shaw is absolute top draw. Chambers is very good.

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    Chambers is excellent for his age. Shaw is miles better.

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    The good thing about this discussion is, they're both excellent so we're benefiting either way.

    I think Chambers has the potential to be top draw, as already mentioned by Marino, Chambers will eventually make the move to Center Back... that I am sure of.

    He reads the game better than Shaw IMHO & with his height & aerial presence he'd slot in well at the back.

    Although he'd being asked to play right back at the moment, so you can compare them from a full back perspective, I think both their attributes are quiet different

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitey Grandad View Post
    Doesn't one play on the right and the other on the left?
    Clyne is very good on the left and should be with the England squad now. How Roy overlooked Clyne this season I just don't know.

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    Roy thinks Milner is a better right back than Clyne. I liked Roy until he did that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelman View Post
    I know lots of good players can't use both feet, but I hate it when Shaw tries and centres with the outside of his left foot because he really really can't use his right one.
    Totally agree with this. Shaw's one-footedness drives me nuts.

    Stilll he is a better overall fullback than Chambers because of the threat of his speed. Chambers is excellent though, as is Clyne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chez View Post
    Shaw is absolute top draw. Chambers is very good.
    This. But I also reckon Chambers will end up as a top class centre back.

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    I think Chambers was much better than Shaw in the first half of the season but Luke got a massive lift after the England cap and stepped it up in the last few months.

    Considering his potential at centre back I'd be more upset losing Chambers than Shaw.

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    Depends what you want from a full-back ... for me Calum is technically better (better passer, crosser and better at the 'tippy tappy' ball retention in a tight space stuff). Luke is the better athlete - stronger, quicker, more direct etc.

    All IMHO obviously but I think Luke is the better player at the moment because he is far more confident and generally makes better decisions ... if Chambers catches him up in this department then who knows?

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    Quote Originally Posted by buctootim View Post
    I doubt we'd be considering selling Shaw if Chambers wasn't rated so highly by the club.
    Are we selling him? Source?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Tone View Post
    This. But I also reckon Chambers will end up as a top class centre back.
    Chamber Fonte Lovren at the back. Clyne and Shaw out wider. Koeman style.

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    Chambers is really good. Shaw is probably the best in his age group in his position in the world.

    It's in no way whatsoever a slight on Chambers, but he just isn't up to Shaw's level. Not even close in my opinion.

    Don't get why people talk about Shaw going forward, he gets in good places, but his end product isn't amazing (no great worry, the lad has loads of time to perfect that - I'm sure he will). What is most striking about Shaw is how resolute a defender he is at his age.

    Chambers will be a very very good FB at Premiership, possibly International level. Shaw is going to be the next Ashley Cole, probably the best FB on the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitey Grandad View Post
    Doesn't one play on the right and the other on the left?
    Yep I mixed Chambers up with Targett.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buctootim View Post
    Yep I mixed Chambers up with Targett.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    Stop it. Shaw is just better
    It's good that you've put an end to the discussion.

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    Chambers was excellent. But so was clyne a lot of the time. Shaw was more consistent than both that's the difference. There is some hype and it's been there since before his debut, he's strong for his age and technically very good. But no there isn't a big gap in quality between them which is a credit to the academy.

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    Personally think Clyne is better than Chambers. Clyne is quicker too. Be interesting to see a Chambers play centre half.

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    Clyne is the best of the three.

    Shaw is more noticed because he's a leftie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benjii View Post
    Clyne is the best of the three.

    Shaw is more noticed because he's a leftie.
    I don't really buy that. That never really applied to Left-Backs anyway, and hasn't really been the case for a few years now - since it became trendy to play players on the opposite flanks.

    He's noticed because he is already a top-class Full-Back at 18.

    His peers voted him the best in the league, was that because he was left-footed?

    I really like Clyne, there's a strong debate to be had over who is better out of him and Chambers, but Shaw is 100% a level above the pair of them.

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    Shaw is very good, but to say that he 'has never been mugged off defensively' is just wrong. He was caught out quite a few times in the first half of the season- he benefitted from regular games this season and got better as the season went on. I agree that he's better than Chambers, but I can't help but wonder how much better Chambers would be if he got that much game time this season too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Charlie View Post
    Chambers very good but Shaw phenomenal.

    Has never been mugged off defensively and has an extra gear going forward (maybe two) than Chambers.

    His final ball will improve, but he has put loads of good crosses in last season, just often nobody in to score from 5 yards.

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    As good as Shaw is, there's one area he needs to improve on defensively; his positioning at the far post defending crosses. He was caught out a couple of times letting strikers get goal side and it happened again last night for England (albeit it was arguable more Smalling's error than Shaw's). He'll learn that as he progresses.

    Chambers looks like he could be a very useful player in several positions. He could well play centre-half but equally he could go further forward as he has great technique and pace.

    I can take losing Shaw if we keep Chambers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junior Mullet View Post
    Clyne is very good on the left and should be with the England squad now. How Roy overlooked Clyne this season I just don't know.
    Must be a massive kick in the nuts seeing way would rather play milner out of position rather than yourself

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    Chambers isn't half the player Shaw is. Sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by simo View Post
    Must be a massive kick in the nuts seeing way would rather play milner out of position rather than yourself
    I think part of his problem was that he struggled to keep Chambers out of the team. I think he would have had a better chance if he was starting every week. Woy mentioned he was on the radar last September when Jay Rickie & Lallana got called up.

    I know Milner wasn't a starter at City, but he has plenty of international experience (and to be fair, he has also been a member of 2 Premier League winning squads). I really don't think Milner is as bad as the kicking he gets, you know you're always going to get a decent shift out of him and he really isn't a fb.

    If he was to leave City, and was willing to take a wage cut, I'd happily have him at Saints.

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    I think Chambers' only "problem" is that he goes one step too far with the ball. I think he needs to look to play the ball earlier rather than risk riding that last tackle.

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    I'm not sure that the OP has the correct question.

    Whether Shaw stays or goes, he is our first choice LB and definitely worth his place. (According to Roy Hodgson's judgement...There's only be one or two "Englishmen " in the Prem. who have a better claim).

    The real question that comes to my mind is ........Chambers or Clyne, and I'm less sure about that right answer to that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by corky morris View Post
    Personally think Clyne is better than Chambers. Clyne is quicker too. Be interesting to see a Chambers play centre half.

    as Roy's playing around with an experimental set-up (in Equador game)....I ask myself if Wanyama might not be the answer to our " extra CB " question ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by david in sweden View Post
    as Roy's playing around with an experimental set-up (in Equador game)....I ask myself if Wanyama might not be the answer to our " extra CB " question ?
    I think he has covered there on occasion (might be wrong on that one).

    Don't think it's a long term solution, but could maybe do a job in an emergency

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    I think Chambers is the fastest of the three - he just has longer legs! He would be wasted at CB - maybe a wide midfielder. Even though he is the same age as Shaw he is behind him physically (Shaw is a Rooney-like phenomenon of a boy in a man's body) and he will look less coltish in the next year or two and I think he has the potential to be the best of the three.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pancake View Post
    Chamber Fonte Lovren at the back. Clyne and Shaw out wider. Koeman style.
    I had much the same thought... With Yoshida as an alternative CB, at least until Chambers really grows into the role. Btw, I think Chambers played at CB before he got into to the first team at RB?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSAINT View Post
    Chambers is quality. Surprised he's not been called up by the U21's.

    I want Arsenal to wrap up the Serge Aurier deal ASAP so it'll hopefully lessen their interest in Chambers.
    Read this earlier today...

    Quote Originally Posted by Gareth Southgate

    "We could have brought Calum Chambers [to Toulon], who would have benefited from the experience, but the U19s had their qualifiers that week and we wanted them to have the best opportunity to qualify.


    "But all of that age group are eligible for us next year so the likes of Calum, Jordon Ibe, Josh Murphy, Sam Gallagher and James Wilson and there will be competition for the lads who are here and those who are not here."

    From: http://www.thefa.com/news/england/20...hJJR2rUIWr0.99

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    Shaw is outstanding - which is why he is so in demand. Chambers is fine but has some way to go yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simo View Post
    Must be a massive kick in the nuts seeing way would rather play milner out of position rather than yourself
    Be thankful for small mercies. At least he has not been poached by Stevie Geeeeee.

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    Chambers is not a million miles behind Shaw and glad he's off the radar of other clubs thus far

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadgerBadger View Post
    Chambers is not a million miles behind Shaw and glad he's off the radar of other clubs thus far
    He isn't off the radar by any means.

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    Is the OP the original, real LSC of takeover embarrassment fame? I thought he had done a runner years ago :-)

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