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    Tricky game. They've had a little drop in results recently though.

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    Wonder how much we will rotate considering we have a much more winnable game vs injury hit Palace on 28th?

    Surely Ings can't start both considering his injury history and how vital he is to us?

    No real full back options to change but a few elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusic View Post
    Wonder how much we will rotate considering we have a much more winnable game vs injury hit Palace on 28th?

    Surely Ings can't start both considering his injury history and how vital he is to us?
    Agree, would rest Ings vs Chelsea...

    McCarthy

    Cedric - Stephens - Bednarek - Bertrand

    JWP - Romeu

    Armstrong - Boufal

    Adams - Long

    Subs: Gunn, Yoshida, Danso, Hojbjerg, Redmond, Obefemi, Ings

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    Quote Originally Posted by trousers View Post
    Agree, would rest Ings vs Chelsea...

    McCarthy

    Cedric - Stephens - Bednarek - Bertrand

    JWP - Romeu

    Armstrong - Boufal

    Adams - Long

    Subs: Gunn, Yoshida, Danso, Hojbjerg, Redmond, Obefemi, Ings
    If Ings is rested I'd have Redmond instead of Long or Adams there. Agreed Romeu definitely should start in front of the back 4. But unfortunately RH will probably pick PEH again.

    P.S. For those who say our attack is fine, why buy a striker, apart from Ings who do we have up front who can actually score goals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSAINT View Post
    Tricky game. They've had a little drop in results recently though.
    They're not great at home. Breaking down teams that set up deep is not their strength without Hazard to pull the strings.

    I think Lampard is quite limited tactically.

    Unfortunately, we don't play that way - we've been adventurous and open on the road, and half decent as a result. But that'll probably suit Chelsea quite nicely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trousers View Post
    Agree, would rest Ings vs Chelsea...

    McCarthy

    Cedric - Stephens - Bednarek - Bertrand

    JWP - Romeu

    Armstrong - Boufal

    Adams - Long

    Subs: Gunn, Yoshida, Danso, Hojbjerg, Redmond, Obefemi, Ings
    You just don't rest an in form striker. The worst thing you could do. Ings' fitness is not an issue, the type of injury he has had in the past could happen anytime. Probably more likely to score away at Chelski than at home anyway. We desparately need someone else to start scoring some goals though (an attacking player not Stephens) if only it was not Long forming a decent pairing with Ings, because he is getting plenty of chances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VectisSaint View Post
    You just don't rest an in form striker. The worst thing you could do. Ings' fitness is not an issue, the type of injury he has had in the past could happen anytime. Probably more likely to score away at Chelski than at home anyway. We desparately need someone else to start scoring some goals though (an attacking player not Stephens) if only it was not Long forming a decent pairing with Ings, because he is getting plenty of chances.
    Totally agree. If Ings feels he's fit to play both games and our medical staff agree, it would be mad to drop him for Chelsea

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    Quote Originally Posted by VectisSaint View Post
    You just don't rest an in form striker. The worst thing you could do. Ings' fitness is not an issue, the type of injury he has had in the past could happen anytime. Probably more likely to score away at Chelski than at home anyway. We desparately need someone else to start scoring some goals though (an attacking player not Stephens) if only it was not Long forming a decent pairing with Ings, because he is getting plenty of chances.
    Quote Originally Posted by fez View Post
    Totally agree. If Ings feels he's fit to play both games and our medical staff agree, it would be mad to drop him for Chelsea
    Fair point. Yep, if the medical experts say he can cope with 3 games in a week, then agree, he should start. I was working on the assumption that there would be an element of risk in him playing several games in quick succession. Last thing we need is for him to pick up a hamstring injury, or such like. But, if the risk of such an eventuality is relatively low then unleash the Ings!

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    Interesting to see what rotation happens. We can’t rotate fullbacks, I don’t think we should with cb’s or gk. We’ve only really Romeu or slattery as potential midfield options.
    If we’re going to rotate a striker i’d Prefer to see long rotated or the likes of obafemi.
    You could always take ings off early if the game is gone to protect him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trousers View Post
    Agree, would rest Ings vs Chelsea...

    McCarthy

    Cedric - Stephens - Bednarek - Bertrand

    JWP - Romeu

    Armstrong - Boufal

    Adams - Long

    Subs: Gunn, Yoshida, Danso, Hojbjerg, Redmond, Obefemi, Ings
    This.

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    If Ings can play he should play. I was surprised that Long came off first yesterday, but they'll know how to manage everyone's fitness.

    The one thing we know for sure is that, if we get one chance all game, we want it falling to Ings.

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    I think as we play much better away from our terrible home support it would be good to name a unchanged line up and use the morale boost of yesterday's result. If Bournemouth can snatch a undeserved win no reason we cant collect something.

    i had hoped we would have got 10 points from last 5 games but still 9 is good.
    Next 7 games are not pretty and i would take 6pts any more will be a plus. We might not be in such a good position after them so dont everyone start panicking again. We have another block of 5 like we just had.

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    Despite recent success in 4-2-2-2 I would not be surprised to see us go to a 5-4-1 for this. There are less than 48 hours between finishing in London and kicking off on saturday and it is unrealistic to imagine you could play two high pressing games with same personnel so its either mass changes or a different ways of playing, sitting in and being hard to beat. As I other shave said Chelsea have found things easier away from home with more space this year.

    McCarthy
    Cedric
    Stephens
    Yoshida
    Bednarek
    Bertrand
    Romeu
    Hoj
    JWP
    Redmond
    Adams

    Rest Armstrong, Ings and Long and have them fresh for Palace

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    Mateo Kovacic will be suspended because he has just got his fifth yellow of the season against Spurs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forester View Post
    Despite recent success in 4-2-2-2 I would not be surprised to see us go to a 5-4-1 for this. There are less than 48 hours between finishing in London and kicking off on saturday and it is unrealistic to imagine you could play two high pressing games with same personnel so its either mass changes or a different ways of playing, sitting in and being hard to beat. As I other shave said Chelsea have found things easier away from home with more space this year.

    McCarthy
    Cedric
    Stephens
    Yoshida
    Bednarek
    Bertrand
    Romeu
    Hoj
    JWP
    Redmond
    Adams

    Rest Armstrong, Ings and Long and have them fresh for Palace
    Absolutely this but maybe Vestergaard instead of Yoshida.

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    Although Chelsea beat Spurs 2-0 today they didn't look that much of a force to me and a lot of their play was long balls back to front in the hope that the strikers could latch onto them. Dodgy penalty decision flattered them and Spurs were woeful and just didn't turn up. Jose has some work to do there while Lampard's team are quite ploddy and predictable compared to recent Chelseas sides.

    Saints ought to get something from this game if they hustle and harried their way to victory as they did yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K,Billy's supersound View Post
    I think as we play much better away from our terrible home support
    28,000 fans at SMS v measly 1500/2500 at away games. I doubt so-called 'away fans' have much to do with our relative success on the road. In any case aren't they mostly the same people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Wayman View Post
    28,000 fans at SMS v measly 1500/2500 at away games. I doubt so-called 'away fans' have much to do with our relative success on the road. In any case aren't they mostly the same people?
    It’s not the amount. I’d rather play in front of 2,500 behind you then 28,000 whining, morning, groaning and ironically cheering.

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    totally agree with this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkish View Post
    It’s not the amount. I’d rather play in front of 2,500 behind you then 28,000 whining, morning, groaning and ironically cheering.
    Completely agree with this...pity is, home support is getting worse nearly every game unless we’re 3 goals up.

    Chelsea were very good against Spurs, so I can’t see us getting anything from the game. Lucky draw might be within our grasp, but it’s an outside chance.

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    We play better away from home because the home team generally attack more which then gives us space to play in. We always struggle against the 10 players behind the ball type of teams. I think Chelsea at theirs are expected to attack so we will get chances just depends on who the chances fall to and how many chances we get. Id be happy with a draw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toadhall Saint View Post
    We play better away from home because the home team generally attack more which then gives us space to play in. We always struggle against the 10 players behind the ball type of teams. I think Chelsea at theirs are expected to attack so we will get chances just depends on who the chances fall to and how many chances we get. I’d be happy with a draw.
    I'd be delighted with a draw!

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    Get very tight and physical on Willian to stop him playing. He doesn't like that. Who in our team can do that? Hmmm. Romeu has to play this one against his old club. Rest Hoj?

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    Those saying drop Ings are mad

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    Got to be 4-5-1 or 4-5-1-1 pack the midfield and stop them dictating the play as seen in yesterday's easy win at Spurs.

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    Going to be our hardest game for a while, I thought Willian and Konte were great yesterday along with Jorginho when he came on; agree with a full midfield including Romeu

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesfp1 View Post
    Those saying drop Ings are mad
    To keep him fresh for a game we have a better chance of winning?

    Everyone being paranoid that if we lose Ings to injury, we're fooked, is justified. Give him a game off (or take the bench), tell him to stay out of the kitchen and get him fresh for Palace. He won't forget where the goal is. Adams desperately needs to score a goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVSaint View Post
    To keep him fresh for a game we have a better chance of winning?
    Chelsea's last home league game...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Fan CaM View Post
    Completely agree with this...pity is, home support is getting worse nearly every game unless we’re 3 goals up.

    Chelsea were very good against Spurs, so I can’t see us getting anything from the game. Lucky draw might be within our grasp, but it’s an outside chance.
    That's because they are probably exactly like you, and go to every game proclaiming that we will lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesfp1 View Post
    Those saying that it might be an idea to rest Ings, unless the club's medical experts reckon he can cope with 3 games in a week without risking an over excursion related injury such as a hamstring pull, are mad
    Fixed for you, to better reflect what people are actually saying. You're welcome

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    Quote Originally Posted by trousers View Post
    Fixed for you, to better reflect what people are actually saying. You're welcome
    That's what I was saying, just did it quicker than you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Le God View Post
    Chelsea's last home league game...

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_fallacy

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    Quote Originally Posted by trousers View Post
    So you don't agree Saints look better as an away team and Chelsea are not invincible vs bottom half sides as their last home game showed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Le God View Post
    So you don't agree Saints look better as an away team and Chelsea are not invincible vs bottom half sides as their last home game showed?
    I agree we have a better track record away from home. (All the more reason to try and fix that particular issue)

    Just because Chelsea lost their last home game against a team below them, it doesn't logically follow that they are prone to losing at home to a similar team again in the next home game. If anything, it could be argued that they will be trying harder not to let it happen twice in a row. (Indeed, would be interesting to see the stats on how many times the 'big 6' have lost two home games on the bounce against lower table sides. My guess would be under 20% of the time, if not less)

    Either way, my hunch is that resting (starting on the bench) Ings Vs Chelsea could work out best for us IF there is any doubt that playing 3 games in a week puts him at greater risk of injuries such as a strained hamstring. I'm not citing any scientific reasoning for this, it's just a gut feel. I could be right, I could be wrong. C'est la vie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Le God View Post
    Chelsea's last home league game...

    This is a bit of a stupid post. What it fails to engage in is the issue that is a home game against Palace 48 hours later

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVSaint View Post
    To keep him fresh for a game we have a better chance of winning?

    Everyone being paranoid that if we lose Ings to injury, we're fooked, is justified. Give him a game off (or take the bench), tell him to stay out of the kitchen and get him fresh for Palace. He won't forget where the goal is. Adams desperately needs to score a goal.
    Absolutely. In particular avoid like the plague table legs and large bottles of salad cream.

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    Will be getting into the pints with my best bud. He’s a BHA fan so it’s BHA vs Spurs and then Saints @ Chelsea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Wayman View Post
    Although Chelsea beat Spurs 2-0 today they didn't look that much of a force to me and a lot of their play was long balls back to front in the hope that the strikers could latch onto them. Dodgy penalty decision flattered them and Spurs were woeful and just didn't turn up. Jose has some work to do there while Lampard's team are quite ploddy and predictable compared to recent Chelseas sides.

    Saints ought to get something from this game if they hustle and harried their way to victory as they did yesterday.
    ’Dodgy penalty’! Charlie, behave, it was assault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baird of the land View Post
    Interesting to see what rotation happens. We cant rotate fullbacks, I dont think we should with cbs or gk. Weve only really Romeu or slattery as potential midfield options.
    If were going to rotate a striker id Prefer to see long rotated or the likes of obafemi.
    You could always take ings off early if the game is gone to protect him.
    I might be behind the curve here- where's Valery? Where's Djenepo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CamberwellSaint View Post
    I might be behind the curve here- where's Valery? Where's Djenepo?
    Ill with virus and injured hamstring respectively. Out until the new year

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkish View Post
    It’s not the amount. I’d rather play in front of 2,500 behind you then 28,000 whining, morning, groaning and ironically cheering.
    This.
    Saints hardcore away support make more noise than most parts of St Mary’s and get behind the team. Most away fans have watched Saints for decades and don’t just appear when Saints are playing in the premier league or playing well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K,Billy's supersound View Post
    I think as we play much better away from our terrible home support it would be good to name a unchanged line up and use the morale boost of yesterday's result. If Bournemouth can snatch a undeserved win no reason we cant collect something.

    i had hoped we would have got 10 points from last 5 games but still 9 is good.
    Next 7 games are not pretty and i would take 6pts any more will be a plus. We might not be in such a good position after them so dont everyone start panicking again. We have another block of 5 like we just had.
    Lol

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    Same line up that played away to Arsenal.
    Get Obafemi high up a hit him with early balls. Press like crazy and hope for a break.

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    Djenepo, Valery still out. Long very doubtful but Boufal probably back.

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    Given the injuries I think I would play

    Mccarthy

    Bednarek Stephens vestergaard

    Cedric jwp Hoj bertrand

    Boufal ings redmond

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    Ralph on live now....will rotate by the sound of it....hopefully no Vestergard!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shroppie View Post
    Djenepo, Valery still out. Long very doubtful but Boufal probably back.

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    I've not seen press conference but surely Boufal is training and fit to play now, he stubbed his toe weeks ago, something doesn't seem right with that.
    Shame Long is injured, he has made a difference recently creating space for Ings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRM View Post
    I've not seen press conference but surely Boufal is training and fit to play now, he stubbed his toe weeks ago, something doesn't seem right with that.
    He is training now, but as Hassenhuttl has mentioned in a number of press conferences and interviews.... Boufal isn't merely a stubbed toe... he damaged tendons and has required multiple injections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Le God View Post
    He is training now, but as Hassenhuttl has mentioned in a number of press conferences and interviews.... Boufal isn't merely a stubbed toe... he damaged tendons and has required multiple injections.
    you don't reckon that there is not a whiff of being kept back because of a potential transfer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    you don't reckon that there is not a whiff of being kept back because of a potential transfer?
    No, why would they need to lie about that because of an upcoming transfer? In any case Hassenhuttl has now stated Boufal is now in training and no longer requires injections.

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