buctootim Posted 17 July, 2013 Share Posted 17 July, 2013 (edited) We got it wrong last time. i agree with buctootim. But I think that NC in particular would want to learn from that mistake/ misjudgement. And that's why we have Lovren in early plus big vic, shaw and boruc signed up etc. Our defensive team is stronger than last year. I would like an extra fb but am guessing we have cover in the squad plus that's what the academy is for in part right? I'm not certain there's any need to get aggrieved if our next buy is, say Banega. He would in all probability be an upgrade on AL SD and JP if I'm being brutally honest, he's a current Argentinian international FFS! Elsewhre I think it's abundantly clear saints are looking to strengthen our attacking options. That we have not got that resolved is no surprise though- the kind of high level player we are now looking at will be part of a complex interconnected web of other transfers and alternate scenarios. Only Monaco bought early with Falcao, only 12 hours ago Cavani completed, only a few hours later we hear Rooney is to go, hulk is apparently available in the last few hours also. If we wanted an off the shelf striker we would have had three by now of the common garden variety. The likes of Osvaldo and Damiao are the level below these names as well as others like Negredo soldado and higuain. With those resolved our turn will come. We would not be getting associated with Catania strikers for example if we did not have a plan b, or c, and were unaware that we needed striking reinforcement. That's why the names are leaking out of these others ( plus it shows we have options) . We will get a striker. Just hope it's a good one of first or second choice, not 5th or 6th choice. Fair comment. I agree with almost all. Last close season I certainly had faith there would be plans a,b and c to address the defensive weaknesses so was relaxed about, if a little puzzled, by spending £13m on Ramirez. I never believed we would start the campaign with KD backed up only by Gazzaniga and no CBs coming in. Turns out I was wrong. Like you I hope Cortese has learnt. Edited 17 July, 2013 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 17 July, 2013 Share Posted 17 July, 2013 Despite the fact that Martin had been loaned out to C.Palace 2 weeks before our season started. And that for 'panic buys' Yoshi and Boruc turned out to be 2 very good acquisitions for the money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 17 July, 2013 Share Posted 17 July, 2013 And that for 'panic buys' Yoshi and Boruc turned out to be 2 very good acquisitions for the money Agree they turned out great. Much better than the planned buys. Maybe that says something too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 17 July, 2013 Share Posted 17 July, 2013 Boruc might have been a panic buy but I don't think Yoshi was, just don't think he was our primary target and probably took a bit more time because he was playing in the Olympics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 17 July, 2013 Share Posted 17 July, 2013 Banega is not in the Valencia squad for tonight's friendly. anyone got a legitimate reason why?....injury,extended break before returns to training?....in talks with another club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 17 July, 2013 Share Posted 17 July, 2013 Banega is not in the Valencia squad for tonight's friendly. anyone got a legitimate reason why?....injury,extended break before returns to training?....in talks with another club? He has already had extended leave before meeting up with the Valencia squad in Germany, so no obvious reason unless carrying an injury... Unless...it's happening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 17 July, 2013 Share Posted 17 July, 2013 He has already had extended leave before meeting up with the Valencia squad in Germany, so no obvious reason unless carrying an injury... Unless...it's happening? If he's had extended leave, similar to that of Maya, then he's probably not up to the level to play in a match yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 17 July, 2013 Share Posted 17 July, 2013 Reports state he was initially out of the side tonight...that has now changed...bugger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 17 July, 2013 Share Posted 17 July, 2013 (edited) If he's had extended leave, similar to that of Maya, then he's probably not up to the level to play in a match yet. Admittedly, that is quite obvious. Edited 17 July, 2013 by Toon Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 17 July, 2013 Share Posted 17 July, 2013 If he's had extended leave, similar to that of Maya, then he's probably not up to the level to play in a match yet. Was he playing in the Con cup? if so he should be fit already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
110_Persaint Posted 17 July, 2013 Share Posted 17 July, 2013 Unless...it's happening? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan abnormal Posted 17 July, 2013 Share Posted 17 July, 2013 Valencia CF @ valenciacf 2h # SVWaldhofVCF Eleven of @ valenciacf will: Guaita, Joao, R. Costa, Mathieu, Cissokho, J. Fire, Parejo, Fede, Viera, Piatti and Alcacer Valencia CF @ valenciacf 2h # SVWaldhofVCF EYE: The final starting eleven will be: ALVES, Joao, R. Costa, Mathieu, Cissokho, J Fire, Parejo, Fede, Viera, Piatti and Alcacer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintlyAnd Posted 17 July, 2013 Share Posted 17 July, 2013 He played the 2nd half for them vs Mannheim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 17 July, 2013 Share Posted 17 July, 2013 He played the 2nd half for them vs Mannheim So he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 17 July, 2013 Share Posted 17 July, 2013 :. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 17 July, 2013 Share Posted 17 July, 2013 Was he playing in the Con cup? Argentina weren't in the 2013 Confederations Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 17 July, 2013 Share Posted 17 July, 2013 You missed the face palm thing MLG, it's the new craze and ideal for your style of posting. Give it a go, you might like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 17 July, 2013 Share Posted 17 July, 2013 You missed the face palm thing MLG, it's the new craze and ideal for your style of posting. Give it a go, you might like it. Don't encourage him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 17 July, 2013 Share Posted 17 July, 2013 Argentina weren't in the 2013 Confederations Cup. My bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonb Posted 18 July, 2013 Share Posted 18 July, 2013 Some mush on twitter tweeting a screen-grab of a supposed conversation with a mush from Skybet saying they aint taking anymore bets for Benega to Saints because they understand the deal is almost complete to sign him... large pinch of the old sodium of course... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 18 July, 2013 Share Posted 18 July, 2013 This is something that may need to be taken with a pinch of salt as it came from twitter. Someone posted a screen cap of a chat they had with skybet support asking if they could get odds on Banega to Saints, the response he got was quite interesting, provided it is real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 18 July, 2013 Share Posted 18 July, 2013 Will try and not get too excited.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonb Posted 18 July, 2013 Share Posted 18 July, 2013 This is something that may need to be taken with a pinch of salt as it came from twitter. Someone posted a screen cap of a chat they had with skybet support asking if they could get odds on Banega to Saints, the response he got was quite interesting, provided it is real. Glad I didn't post the picture now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 18 July, 2013 Share Posted 18 July, 2013 This is something that may need to be taken with a pinch of salt as it came from twitter. Someone posted a screen cap of a chat they had with skybet support asking if they could get odds on Banega to Saints, the response he got was quite interesting, provided it is real. Strange this, as the guy (@tcumner1986) has obviously taken to paint to edit his surname out of the picture despite his surname appearing on his twitter handle. If legit then wonderful news, but I'm hoping no foul play is at work here...If the deal is pretty much sewn up then the decision to play Banega last night in the friendly was a strange one, especially as captain - a farewell gesture perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 18 July, 2013 Share Posted 18 July, 2013 Looks like someone else has tried and got a similar answer. Hardly conclusive that he is signing, but bodes well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sea Saint Posted 18 July, 2013 Share Posted 18 July, 2013 Is his agent called Tom by any cahnce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 18 July, 2013 Share Posted 18 July, 2013 What ever happened to the good old airport and hotel stalking?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Jazzbo Posted 18 July, 2013 Share Posted 18 July, 2013 What ever happened to the good old airport and hotel stalking?? And taxi drivers taking them between the two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 18 July, 2013 Share Posted 18 July, 2013 Looks like someone else has tried and got a similar answer. Hardly conclusive that he is signing, but bodes well. Jen got pretty stroppy when Tom failed to respond didn't she. Time of the month or just the heat, whatdya reckon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 18 July, 2013 Share Posted 18 July, 2013 Looks like someone else has tried and got a similar answer. Hardly conclusive that he is signing, but bodes well. Blimey - I didn't realise the girls on Live Chat Lines talked about football as well, I thought they just told you what they were (or not) wearing and that you'd been a very naughty boy and needed a spanking !! You learn something new everyday on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 18 July, 2013 Share Posted 18 July, 2013 I know Tom Cumner....he isn't an agent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydneysaint17 Posted 18 July, 2013 Share Posted 18 July, 2013 Just had a similar chat with a nice lady from SkyBet who said that they couldnt give me a price as Saints are the only club in for him. I also asked for odds on Ever Banega to remain at Valencia before September 1st - she said they wouldnt be offering odds on the market at all. When I asked why, she just said "it is a business decision." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydneysaint17 Posted 18 July, 2013 Share Posted 18 July, 2013 SkyBet must be fairly confident that he's on his way otherwise they'd just offer me 1/5 or something like they were with Wanyama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 18 July, 2013 Share Posted 18 July, 2013 Is his agent called Tom by any cahnce no, he's called Marcelo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 18 July, 2013 Share Posted 18 July, 2013 Assume they are trying to persuade him to stay - he captained them last night I think during the half he played and has been talked up about being a senior pro this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 18 July, 2013 Share Posted 18 July, 2013 SkyBet must be fairly confident that he's on his way otherwise they'd just offer me 1/5 or something like they were with Wanyama. perhaps they're just tired of taking your money...no wait, a bookie with scruples, rare as a Unicorn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 18 July, 2013 Share Posted 18 July, 2013 It is very peculiar for a bookie to refuse bets. I couldn't even credit them with laziness - once they've set the odds and tolerances up most of the revised odds will be automated after bets are taken without the intervention of traders. And if you look at some of the players they have markets for, they are quite obscure. I've done a little bit of research and taken a look at an English fan forum for Valencia. It appears that failure to qualify for the Champions League has blown a massive hole in the accounts and the club must generate a decent amount of money from selling players otherwise they may not see out the next season. There is even talk of going bankrupt and starting again rather than having to go through selling the best players at the end of every season just to keep afloat. On that basis you can see why clubs may be playing the waiting game with their players - as the transfer window goes on Valencia's position to negotiate gets weaker and weaker. Rami, Banega, and Soldado could well all be leaving. Saints' challenge will be timing getting a bid accepted whilst other teams won't be in the hunt, otherwise if the fee gets too low there will surely be more appealing destinations for Banega. Let the games begin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSpankBoy Posted 18 July, 2013 Share Posted 18 July, 2013 Its all fun and games. This window we have been linked with and by all accounts made significant bids for, an Argentinian international midfielder, and the Brazilian number 9. Banega first came tro my attention on an older Fifa where his photo made him look ever so slightly like Ghengis Khan. Not a judgement on his football ability. Just saying be bares a passing resembalance to one of the most bloodthirsty and ruthless war lords that has ever existed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 18 July, 2013 Share Posted 18 July, 2013 It is very peculiar for a bookie to refuse bets. I couldn't even credit them with laziness - once they've set the odds and tolerances up most of the revised odds will be automated after bets are taken without the intervention of traders. And if you look at some of the players they have markets for, they are quite obscure. I've done a little bit of research and taken a look at an English fan forum for Valencia. It appears that failure to qualify for the Champions League has blown a massive hole in the accounts and the club must generate a decent amount of money from selling players otherwise they may not see out the next season. There is even talk of going bankrupt and starting again rather than having to go through selling the best players at the end of every season just to keep afloat. On that basis you can see why clubs may be playing the waiting game with their players - as the transfer window goes on Valencia's position to negotiate gets weaker and weaker. Rami, Banega, and Soldado could well all be leaving. Saints' challenge will be timing getting a bid accepted whilst other teams won't be in the hunt, otherwise if the fee gets too low there will surely be more appealing destinations for Banega. Let the games begin... Banega and Soldado multipack then is it ? Yes please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tisspahars Posted 18 July, 2013 Share Posted 18 July, 2013 The skybet thing is a complete red herring imo. They have never had a market on this so it is not like they have stopped taking bets, they never started. With Wanyama it was known that other clubs were interested, with Banega it's only us allegedly. Therefore the market is really whether he will stay or go, and you will note they aren't offering prices on him staying either - so is that a done deal too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed demon Posted 18 July, 2013 Share Posted 18 July, 2013 I just got 50/1 on Banega being Liverpool manager by August 1st Nothing to be proud of mate, put another 0 on it and even then I'd say they've had your pants down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjk Posted 18 July, 2013 Share Posted 18 July, 2013 Banega will replace Ramirez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 18 July, 2013 Share Posted 18 July, 2013 Banega will replace Ramirez. Banega would be a quality addition, however, if we sell Ramirez surely we are stuck in the same position we were last season of having one player who could potentially be great, but is not guaranteed to adjust to English football straight away, backed up by a hard working player like Davis who lacks the quality to create or score against those teams that will try sitting back and playing on the counter attack (which I think will be most sides outside the top 6) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 18 July, 2013 Share Posted 18 July, 2013 Banega would be a quality addition, however, if we sell Ramirez surely we are stuck in the same position we were last season of having one player who could potentially be great, but is not guaranteed to adjust to English football straight away, backed up by a hard working player like Davis who lacks the quality to create or score against those teams that will try sitting back and playing on the counter attack (which I think will be most sides outside the top 6) Davis had some great games for us last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 18 July, 2013 Share Posted 18 July, 2013 Agree, Davis is top class nothing prima donna-ish about him just gets on with it and consistently so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 18 July, 2013 Share Posted 18 July, 2013 Davis had some great games for us last season. I'm not sure about 'great'. He had some solid games and keeps things ticking over, plus hes quite good at keeping the ball, but I wouldn't say he had one 'great' game for us all year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 18 July, 2013 Share Posted 18 July, 2013 Davis had some great games for us last season. Like I said, he works hard and puts a shift in, and did put in some great displays against the better sides. I just don't think he is as effective against teams that sit on the edge of their own box and look for counter attacks as his play in the final third lacks quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 18 July, 2013 Share Posted 18 July, 2013 Like I said, he works hard and puts a shift in, and did put in some great displays against the better sides. I just don't think he is as effective against teams that sit on the edge of their own box and look for counter attacks as his play in the final third lacks quality. That is where Ramirez is a level above Davis. Five goals vs Davis two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 18 July, 2013 Share Posted 18 July, 2013 Banega would be a quality addition, however, if we sell Ramirez surely we are stuck in the same position we were last season of having one player who could potentially be great, but is not guaranteed to adjust to English football straight away, backed up by a hard working player like Davis who lacks the quality to create or score against those teams that will try sitting back and playing on the counter attack (which I think will be most sides outside the top 6) Banega is a far, far better player than Ramirez, with experience in the CL and of playing multiple positions. He would have no trouble playing 90 mins in the PL week in, week out. If he is mentally up for it is another matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 18 July, 2013 Share Posted 18 July, 2013 Davis was at the best solid. But from someone playing in such a forward situation and rarely threat the oppositions defense is not great. 2 goals and 1 assist. 7 (!!) shots on goal in a whole season....(32 games) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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