Tom28 Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25755711 "The players bought into his vision, wholeheartedly. So much so, that at least one leading Southampton player has a clause in his contract that links his own future to Cortese's." My theory is that it is Rickie Lambert. Lambert hasn't looked right on the pitch for about 3 months. Doesn't celebrate scoring; doesn't seem the same player. If it is true that Cortese handed his notice in 3 months ago, perhaps Lambert has been aware of this and has been going through the motions as he knew he would be out the door during this window, which is perhaps why the West Ham rumours have become stronger in the last couple of weeks? Just a theory. Think I'm putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 13 but thought I would share my theory anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 How the hell can an 18 year old player put that in his contract? IF this is Shaw his advicors are really really bad people. You play for the club and the badge on the shirt and most important the FANS not the Chairman for gods sake .- this is getting more and more silly by the minute. Agreed. If that is the way the club was being run then in many ways I'm glad it's over. Too much power in the hands of one person is silly since a situation like this was inevitable whenever he left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 Fits the bill I suppose. Would it mean that his contract is up for termination or simply that he is to be transfer listed though? I would guess that he has a minimum fee release clause which comes active if Cortese leaves. £15m? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 Steve Grant @SteveGrant1983 11m Some unquestionably good #saintsfc news today, @VictorWanyama back in full training! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jai27 Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 I would guess that he has a minimum fee release clause which comes active if Cortese leaves. £15m? Sounds likely if it is Shaw. Bit of a shame really that his reps felt the need to include this in his contract. Telling us something about their confidence in the Liebherr family? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 New Daily Mail article gives the most informative information on Kathrina and the club I've read. Katharina, the dream wrecker http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2540218/Liebherr-dream-wrecker-How-3bn-heiress-whos-never-shown-football-ousted-man-Saints-fans-believe-again.html From the Daily Mail which has clearly been Corteses mouthpiece for a couple of months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints Warrior Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 One man and his dog! The Argentinian said last May, when Cortese's departure was first mooted: "I would not understand staying in this role if Nicola was not here. "I have great respect as well for Southampton, the club and the supporters, but Nicola has been the one that has placed his trust and faith in me. Nicola Cortese has resigned as chairman of Southampton. "We are on the same wavelength about the club and the future of the club so it really would not make any sense if I was at this club and he was not." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 99% of all speculation is unwittingly talking sh!t in advance. Worth remembering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 is alec crook anti saints or just a journo wind up merchant or even a skate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 99% of all speculation is unwittingly talking sh!t in advance. Worth remembering. True. A great deal of shyte was spouted when Adkins left. From myself included Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 Was definitely mentioned in one article (can't remember where from) a few months back that Shaw's new deal was tied to Cortese remaining at the club, i.e he had a getout clause of some sort if NC left. I think people will start to realise over the coming period that he was much more than one paid employee. Easy enough to say that players who don't want to be here can leave, but ultimately, its nice watching good players playing well and having a decent team. That is clearly nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 That is clearly nonsense. Why? If I was Shaw's agent and I am committing to a 5 year contract, it would surely make sense to insert a number of clauses of which this could have been one. Certainly not too farfetched and would IMO be sensible from his advisor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 This is good news; she might not have kept her man, but at least she recognises the importance of good leadership being directly related to keeping the value of he asset as high as possible until an optimal opportunity to sell comes along. Until she (Katharina Leibherr) let's the world know, in her own words, the reasons (ie differences) between her and Cortese, as to how the "next step" in SFC's progress be achieved, then I shall remain pessimistic re our Club's future. I am convinced that she wants rid of a product (ie Football), that she neither wants or understands. The quicker she sells, and opens the possibility of someone else who likes, appreciates, and knows about Football, then better it will be IMHO Our (now) current owner does not share ANY of those traits. She is IMHO 100% against everything that Marcus was 100% in favour of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonb Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 Has Sibley been sacked yet? LOL ! That cheered me up. Bravo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 (edited) For some reason there are still a few here who think it will all be ok. We are now at the start of a downward curve, hopefully not as quick as the route up was. They must be the bedsit captains of industry. If the BBC article is correct (I find their interpretation plausible), then Cortese was probably going to leave in the next two to three years anyway. Presumably the hope was that with further investment, he could take us to the next level and increase the value of the club further. Liebherr's daughter probably thinks we've maxed out and things can't get any better without incurring undue risk. Hence the demand for an immediate exit, something Cortese doesnt want to preside over. The summer will be the biggest test and who we're sold to. There's some potential upside if we fall into the right owner's lap but as you say a hell of a lot of downside. Edited 16 January, 2014 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 This makes the most sense of anything I have read since this story broke. Thanks #GLOBALSFC Clearly Cortese wrote that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonb Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 Some unquestionably good #saintsfc news today, @VictorWanyama back in full training! Excellent news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinR Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 It has been pointed out that we were all angry when Adkins left, thinking we were doomed, and likening Cortese going to that bombshell. Sadly the circumstances are completely different. Every bombshell Cortese dropped was planned. KL didn't want Cortese to go, so this is an unplanned and unwanted development. That's what makes it so scary for me. As someone else said, stability and ambition are massive comfort blankets for football fans. Especially those that have suffered more than most and see what might be possible. All been snatched away in an instant. KL needs to come and re-assure us ASAP... 1. MP is staying. 2. No players will be going anywhere. and (maybe even) 3. a big signing to get us excited ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 An ex player reckons he has wanted a decent job in Italy for a while so will end up there. Reckons he could have told Mopo to stay put for the time being then he can bring him to one of the big Italian clubs next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 Until she (Katharina Leibherr) let's the world know, in her own words, the reasons (ie differences) between her and Cortese, as to how the "next step" in SFC's progress be achieved, then I shall remain pessimistic re our Club's future. I am convinced that she wants rid of a product (ie Football), that she neither wants or understands. The quicker she sells, and opens the possibility of someone else who likes, appreciates, and knows about Football, then better it will be IMHO Our (now) current owner does not share ANY of those traits. She is IMHO 100% against everything that Marcus was 100% in favour of. it was Markus's wish that the club remained in the family I believe, so is there a possibility she would want to honour his wish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 Was definitely mentioned in one article (can't remember where from) a few months back that Shaw's new deal was tied to Cortese remaining at the club, i.e he had a getout clause of some sort if NC left. 'Of course I'll stay babe, just promise me you'll never leave me' yep seems legit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey88 Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 Mail just said that Pochettino is set to commit to the club. We shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 (edited) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2539967/FOOTBALL-9-5-Rolling-news-service-January-16.html BREAKING: Good news for Saints fans as Pochettino commits Neil Ashton: Sportsmail understands that Mauricio Pochettino will commit to the club after talks with owner Katharina Liebherr. More to follow. So, either Katharina has promised him a transfer kitty or Cortese has told him he'll be back (Edit: or he's simply changed his mind from last May) Edited 16 January, 2014 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 MailOnline Sport @MailSport 5m BREAKING: #SaintsFC manager Mauricio Pochettino will commit to the club after talks with owner Katharina Liebherr http://dailym.ai/1ctzulj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 MailOnline Sport @MailSport 5m BREAKING: #SaintsFC manager Mauricio Pochettino will commit to the club after talks with owner Katharina Liebherr http://dailym.ai/1ctzulj Can't really see why he wouldn't really...he's doing a good job. Perhaps KL will put an end to all of the "we're going to be the next Barca" bollix and actually buy us the players we need to not have to rely on donkeys as back up, starting with a keeper and a left back.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinR Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 Now for the players to say the same please and then we can all chill the f*** out for a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 Nicola played his hand badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 Latest is that cortese walked because Katerina issued an "all assets to be sold" statement. Meaning all players of significant value to be sold before the club itself is sold. Doesn't make sense though surely the club is worth more with better players and a manager still. In place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2539967/FOOTBALL-9-5-Rolling-news-service-January-16.html So, either Katharina has promised him a transfer kitty or Cortese has told him he'll be back (Edit: or he's simply changed his mind from last May) What he said last May made sense then, he hadn't been here long and was to be fair still finding his feet both on and off the pitch. Now he's settled why would he want to go now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 Latest is that cortese walked because Katerina issued an "all assets to be sold" statement. Meaning all players of significant value to be sold before the club itself is sold. Doesn't make sense though surely the club is worth more with better players and a manager still. In place? Where has that been reported?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 It has been pointed out that we were all angry when Adkins left, thinking we were doomed, and likening Cortese going to that bombshell. Sadly the circumstances are completely different. Every bombshell Cortese dropped was planned. KL didn't want Cortese to go, so this is an unplanned and unwanted development. That's what makes it so scary for me. As someone else said, stability and ambition are massive comfort blankets for football fans. Especially those that have suffered more than most and see what might be possible. All been snatched away in an instant. KL needs to come and re-assure us ASAP... 1. MP is staying. 2. No players will be going anywhere. and (maybe even) 3. a big signing to get us excited ?[/QUOTE] IMHO what you will get is :- 1) MP will leave, as he can see the writing on the wall 2) If we get the right price for any player, he will be sold 3) No signings because, from a Business point of view, we have enough already I'm amazed how many think KL will have Saints best interest at heart She will only have the Leibherr Business(es) to heart She does not, and never has, had the same "Dream" as Markus did. He LOVED the Saints. Regretably, KL does not, and never will. They (the Leibherr Family) have fulfilled Markus's five years. End of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 What do we really know? Do you think MP will walk? I would feel pretty fed up if I was Osvaldo. Do we know that KL is really against Football? No we know nothing! Stop speculating and wait and see. Cortese has achieved great things, but he's not a Saint! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 Latest is that cortese walked because Katerina issued an "all assets to be sold" statement. Meaning all players of significant value to be sold before the club itself is sold. Doesn't make sense though surely the club is worth more with better players and a manager still. In place? That is clearly absolute rubbish. Where was this latest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 What do we really know? Do you think MP will walk? I would feel pretty fed up if I was Osvaldo. Do we know that KL is really against Football? No we know nothing! Stop speculating and wait and see. Cortese has achieved great things, but he's not a Saint! Well said. This thread is 14 pages long and a number of "experts" have assured us that MP is going, all players are going and the club is to be asset stripped. Fact is, nobody knows anything and I could boil down the amount of "fact" in this thread to around 3 lines of text... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 it was Markus's wish that the club remained in the family I believe, so is there a possibility she would want to honour his wish? I take your point, and sincerely hope it is the case. However, after "Black Wednesday" I think I need a few sherbets to get me back to positive thinking Pocchettino staying would be a help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 That is clearly absolute rubbish. Where was this latest? Probably on Twitter or passed on by someone in the know. It clearly isn't the latest from any credible source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25755711 good piece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 How the hell can an 18 year old player put that in his contract? IF this is Shaw his advicors are really really bad people. You play for the club and the badge on the shirt and most important the FANS not the Chairman for gods sake .- this is getting more and more silly by the minute. They will have taken the view that Cortese was the only man who could guarantee Southampton would be a better club for his development than Chelsea or Manchester United. Can't say I blame him/them, if it all falls apart from here he'll be tied into a five-year contract at a club which may not be able to help him realise his potential. Who knows if he'll have the opportunity to make it at the top level again if five years down the line we're a struggling side? That doesn't mean he'll leave now, of course. Pochettino staying will be a big plus, and he might be well advised to see how things pan out before deciding in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonraker Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 Oh if only any of us had the slightest idea of what is going on. For my part I live in the hope that the Don has a plan and will return as part of a buy out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25755711 good piece Good article, especially the bit about 'marginal gains'....very much like Dave Brailsford of Team SKY. Sent from my GT-N5110 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 Oh if only any of us had the slightest idea of what is going on. For my part I live in the hope that the Don has a plan and will return as part of a buy out. Why? We have a very wealthy owner, from a family of very wealthy people. Unless Cortese returns with someone even more ridiculously wealthy, then it's a silly thing to wish for in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewYorkSaint Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 I predict: MP stays for rest of season. 2 players are sold (prob Shaw, Lambert) but rest stay. Dispute turns out to be primarily over NC's desire to manage with absolute power. No consultation on player purchases and sales, etc. The club is sold in the summer. NC leads consortium as one of the bidders, but loses. We hammer Sunderland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 Good article, especially the bit about 'marginal gains'....very much like Dave Brailsford of Team SKY. Sent from my GT-N5110 using Tapatalk Meh, clearly NC simply found SCW's old files in the office when he walked in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 At least it means the RDM rumours can go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 Well said. This thread is 14 pages long and a number of "experts" have assured us that MP is going, all players are going and the club is to be asset stripped. Fact is, nobody knows anything and I could boil down the amount of "fact" in this thread to around 3 lines of text... The only FACT I can supply is that Cortese's 2 children "left" their school, near Romsey, last week. MPs son still attends the same school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just a Fan Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 I'm sure that I can remember that just after Marcus died, Cortese was asked what would happen if the family wanted to sell the club, and his answer was that if they wanted to sell that would be fine because he knows plenty of rich people who would buy us. So if she does want to sell, then where's the problem? Now I can understand that KL doesn't like football and has no interest in our club, but if she were to pull it to pieces (sell our players, etc.`) before she sold it, then that would be very disrespectful to her father who absolutely loved Southampton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish fingers Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 For some reason there are still a few here who think it will all be ok. We are now at the start of a downward curve, hopefully not as quick as the route up was. Seriously!, He's a frigging chairman, yes he's had a good run and moved the club on but his leaving does not really change much. The structure is still there, the players and manager still there. Who knows we might actually get someone in who proves to be better than Cortese. Amazing the panic shown by some people. Pathetic almost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fez Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 Now I can understand that KL doesn't like football and has no interest in our club, but if she were to pull it to pieces (sell our players, etc.`) before she sold it, then that would be very disrespectful to her father who absolutely loved Southampton. It would also be business madness because the overall value of the club would go down by more than the total amount brought in by player sales Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 Now I can understand that KL doesn't like football and has no interest in our club, but if she were to pull it to pieces (sell our players, etc.`) before she sold it, then that would be very disrespectful to her father who absolutely loved Southampton. Not to mention exceedingly poor business. She'd be better off selling the club as an upwardly mobile concern with potential to improve, rather than an asset stripped shell set to implode with anything of value gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 16 January, 2014 Share Posted 16 January, 2014 Apologies if it's been discussed, I Haven't got time to read 15 pages, but my question is: Why now? Mid-season, during the transfer window. Is that significant? I'm well aware it's been brewing for a bit but I can't see Cortese resigning at the drop of a hat: it was obviously planned. Ar the Milan offers genuine, did he give a deadline for certain things to happen. Why not the end of the season? B****r. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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