Turkish Posted 28 February, 2014 Share Posted 28 February, 2014 I'm sure WBA fans might be thinking why are England picking a 32 year old out of form Rickie Lambert when Saido Berahino is having a decent season and looks like a great prospect for the future. Of course, it's alll just comparing apples with pears from the mongboard good and great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Jazzbo Posted 28 February, 2014 Share Posted 28 February, 2014 On a lighter note some of the skates reaction to this news on twitter was quite amusing. Some of them appeared to be apoplectic with rage at the prospect of so many scummers in the England squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 28 February, 2014 Share Posted 28 February, 2014 Beharinho isn't even playing much though is he? I like the look of him, but if he cant get in West Broms side, then why would he be going to Brazil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 28 February, 2014 Share Posted 28 February, 2014 Beharinho isn't even playing much though is he? I like the look of him, but if he cant get in West Broms side, then why would he be going to Brazil? Alright, he's only scored 4 premier league goals in his entire career, but Walcott went on less. He's prob more an orange than an apple or pear so I'm not sure it suits either argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 28 February, 2014 Share Posted 28 February, 2014 the same could be said for most full backs that England like to use. Walker, Baines, Johnson, are all also nothing special defensively but okay going forward. I suspect this is more to do with the way the moern full back is used, many team use them as much for their attacking ability as defensive responsibility these days. Hence the reason why a player like the much maligned James Milner are used by England on the right to cover the full back attacking. You cant have 11 players all galloping forward at the same time. Are we disagreeing? At least the others offer something as attackers. Smalling offers very little - and that is not just based on his appalling performance for MU the other night. There really are better options at right back that Smalling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 28 February, 2014 Share Posted 28 February, 2014 Alright, he's only scored 4 premier league goals in his entire career, but Walcott went on less. He's prob more an orange than an apple or pear so I'm not sure it suits either argument. I think we're in plum territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 28 February, 2014 Share Posted 28 February, 2014 On a lighter note some of the skates reaction to this news on twitter was quite amusing. Some of them appeared to be apoplectic with rage at the prospect of so many scummers in the England squad. i remember when they used to have 4 england internationals, James, Johnson, Crouch & Defoe. It cost them £42m to sign their four Lions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 February, 2014 Share Posted 28 February, 2014 (edited) Beharinho isn't even playing much though is he? I like the look of him, but if he cant get in West Broms side, then why would he be going to Brazil? Started most of their games since Shane Long left, good record at U21 level and looks a really exciting player. 8 goals in 24 matches this season, I'd imagine he'll be featuring a lot more now Anelka is suspended. He looks a great prospect and as i say, WBA might well be asking why hes not being considered when he's the definitely one for future and an out of form 32 year old is. . Edited 28 February, 2014 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 February, 2014 Share Posted 28 February, 2014 I think we're in plum territory. that you are pal, that you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 February, 2014 Share Posted 28 February, 2014 clearly a plum who doesn't know what he's talking about. http://metro.co.uk/2014/01/21/roy-hodgson-should-take-a-long-hard-look-at-saido-berahino-4267681/ http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/15198/8942718/scout-saido-berahino http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2486058/England-West-Broms-Saido-Berahino.html Keep 'em coming pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 28 February, 2014 Share Posted 28 February, 2014 i remember when they used to have 4 england internationals, James, Johnson, Crouch & Defoe. It cost them £42m to sign their four Lions You forgot Nugent. Averaged a goal a game for England before he signed, a true legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 February, 2014 Share Posted 28 February, 2014 Are we disagreeing? At least the others offer something as attackers. Smalling offers very little - and that is not just based on his appalling performance for MU the other night. There really are better options at right back that Smalling No, we're agreeing. Just saying he isn't the only full back like that, most of them are. to be blunt i dont actually rate any of the current right back options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 28 February, 2014 Share Posted 28 February, 2014 (edited) clearly a plum who doesn't know what he's talking about. http://metro.co.uk/2014/01/21/roy-hodgson-should-take-a-long-hard-look-at-saido-berahino-4267681/ http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/15198/8942718/scout-saido-berahino http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2486058/England-West-Broms-Saido-Berahino.html Keep 'em coming pal. Plum- more a reference to you pal. I can imagine it now - baggies mongboarders chaining themselves to Lancaster Gate at the injustice of Lambert's inclusion over Berahino Never mind that he has four goals and one assist to his name in his entire career (compared to Lambert's 8 goals and 7 assists this season) or that he hasn't scored in two months - after all, we're meant to be picking players on 'form' as you specifically put it, not reputation or even potential. To be clear, I think the lad has plenty of promise and there's a debate to be had whether he should get a call up in the future. But you're implying that there are clear cut alternatives, English strikers who are head and shoulders above Lambert in form. There aren't which makes Lambert's call up neither particularly contentious or hypocritical when the mongboarders lap it up on here. Chin up pal. Keep bashing away at the keyboard with futile arguments - you might strike it lucky one day. Edited 28 February, 2014 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 February, 2014 Share Posted 28 February, 2014 Plum- more a reference to you pal. I can imagine it now - baggies mongboarders chaining themselves to Lancaster Gate at the injustice of Lambert's inclusion over Berahino Never mind that he has four goals and one assist to his name in his entire career (compared to Lambert's 8 goals and 7 assists this season) or that he hasn't scored in two months - after all, we're meant to be picking players on 'form' as you specifically put it, not reputation or even potential. To be clear, I think the lad has plenty of promise and there's a debate to be had whether he should get a call up in the future. But you're implying that there are clear cut alternatives, English strikers who are head and shoulders above Lambert in form. There aren't which makes Lambert's call up neither particularly contentious or hypocritical when the mongboarders lap it up on here. Chin up pal. Keep bashing away at the keyboard with futile arguments - you might strike it lucky one day. Yeah that's exactly what i implied wasn't it pal. Think you need to stop making things up and read posts properly, afterall, that is what you play and not the poster isn't it pal. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 28 February, 2014 Share Posted 28 February, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 28 February, 2014 Share Posted 28 February, 2014 I'm sure WBA fans might be thinking why are England picking a 32 year old out of form Rickie Lambert when Saido Berahino is having a decent season and looks like a great prospect for the future. Of course, it's alll just comparing apples with pears from the mongboard good and great. if Berahino came from Ivory Coast he'd have a cap by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 28 February, 2014 Share Posted 28 February, 2014 I've suddenly remembered why this season was terrific before it went downhill for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 28 February, 2014 Share Posted 28 February, 2014 I don't understand people saying that JRod shouldn't be included - he's our top goal scorer and has been great this season, albeit with a couple of quiet games. With some confidence in him, he's just what England need. As for SRL, I agree he's been on poor form recently, but he's shown what he can do before and I believe he'll do well as the deeper of a front two for England with Rooney in front. He need to pick it up in the last part of the season to stand a chance of going and actually be used though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 28 February, 2014 Share Posted 28 February, 2014 Personally see Lambert clearly ahead of Carroll. Goals - Lambert's last three seasons 8, 15, 27. Carroll's 0, 7, 4. Carroll is effective in the box, as is Lambert. Lambert can play the Rooney link up role, better range of passing etc. Penalty record - Lambert excellent, not sure if Carroll takes them but with only 11 goals in three years?? Character? Lambert widely praised for his popularity and positive attitude with the team - important for a world cup. Carroll has a poor attitude and has been sent home from international duty. Lambert currently in squad and scored twice, set up others. Carroll not played for your while. Carroll unreliable with injuries. Personally, if both fit, not even close unless Carroll scores at hugely better role than has done for years and Lambert has poor end of season. Not sure anyone with any sense could argue Berinho (career total 4 prem goals) over Lambert. Most forums are biased towards their players! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 28 February, 2014 Share Posted 28 February, 2014 I've suddenly remembered why this season was terrific before it went downhill for a while. What? Turkish had a break from posting?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 1 March, 2014 Share Posted 1 March, 2014 (edited) Personally see Lambert clearly ahead of Carroll. Goals - Lambert's last three seasons 8, 15, 27. Carroll's 0, 7, 4. Carroll is effective in the box, as is Lambert. Lambert can play the Rooney link up role, better range of passing etc. Penalty record - Lambert excellent, not sure if Carroll takes them but with only 11 goals in three years?? Character? Lambert widely praised for his popularity and positive attitude with the team - important for a world cup. Carroll has a poor attitude and has been sent home from international duty. Lambert currently in squad and scored twice, set up others. Carroll not played for your while. Carroll unreliable with injuries. Personally, if both fit, not even close unless Carroll scores at hugely better role than has done for years and Lambert has poor end of season. Not sure anyone with any sense could argue Berinho (career total 4 prem goals) over Lambert. Most forums are biased towards their players! Not so sure about Carroll - still think Hodgson wants to take him and he won't have to do much to get the nod over Lambert. Don't think the lack of goals is necessarily an obstacle as Carroll has been a nuisance in those games. The lack of playing time is the problem - and Carroll so far has shot himself in the foot. Because Rooney already drops deep and occupies the hole, I don't think England see Lambert as anything other than a target man who might offer something different -a more physical presence- should circumstances require. If judged simply on that criteria, Carroll is a better fit. Agree the suggestion of Berehino over Lambert at this moment in time is ridiculous - a mong on a mongboard making himself silly. Who would have thunk it. Edited 1 March, 2014 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 1 March, 2014 Share Posted 1 March, 2014 Carroll is more of a handful to play against or from what I have sen from both of them this season, tough and close call for me, as it stands I would take Lambert but if Carroll continues the way he is he would get the nod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 2 March, 2014 Share Posted 2 March, 2014 Kyle Walker ruled out of England game. Could we see Nathaniel Clyne called up? I for one hope so, despite Callum Chambers great form. However, I bet you if anyone is chosen to replace Walker, it'll be Phil Jones :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 2 March, 2014 Share Posted 2 March, 2014 We as a forum have spent a lot of energy complaining about Man Utd reserves getting called up for England - I wonder how we would celebrate if a Southampton reserve gets in. Clyne is good enough, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 2 March, 2014 Share Posted 2 March, 2014 We as a forum have spent a lot of energy complaining about Man Utd reserves getting called up for England - I wonder how we would celebrate if a Southampton reserve gets in. Clyne is good enough, though. He is much better than Phil Jones in a right back position, no? It's good that we have two really good right backs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 March, 2014 Share Posted 2 March, 2014 Kyle Walker ruled out of England game. Could we see Nathaniel Clyne called up? I for one hope so, despite Callum Chambers great form. However, I bet you if anyone is chosen to replace Walker, it'll be Phil Jones :/ Not sure why people believe Clyne has a chance, he doesn't. He needs to be a regular for us first, which he isn't right now. He won't be selected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 2 March, 2014 Share Posted 2 March, 2014 Not sure why people believe Clyne has a chance, he doesn't. He needs to be a regular for us first, which he isn't right now. He won't be selected. True, but Clyne has still made more appearances than Phil Jones in the league this season... Clyne and Jones both have 21 apps this season. Jones has appeared 13 times in the league compared to Clyne's 17. Jones has had 5 european appearances tbf to him though... I don't think Clyne will get in but he should be in with a chance.... I'm beginning to wonder whether Woy will pick anyone tbh now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 3 March, 2014 Share Posted 3 March, 2014 True, but Clyne has still made more appearances than Phil Jones in the league this season... Clyne and Jones both have 21 apps this season. Jones has appeared 13 times in the league compared to Clyne's 17. Jones has had 5 european appearances tbf to him though... I don't think Clyne will get in but he should be in with a chance.... I'm beginning to wonder whether Woy will pick anyone tbh now... Phil Jones is injured just now, that's why he's not in the squad this time, when he isn't he will be an automatic choice because of his versatility, he's a big miss for both Utd and England just now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 3 March, 2014 Share Posted 3 March, 2014 People on here thinking Clyne will be called up is nearly as ridiculous as thinking Jack Cork has a chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 3 March, 2014 Share Posted 3 March, 2014 Lallana not training today, but should be fine for Wednesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tisspahars Posted 3 March, 2014 Share Posted 3 March, 2014 https://twitter.com/BETDAQ/status/440442715616976896/photo/1 Made me laugh.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 3 March, 2014 Share Posted 3 March, 2014 Plum- more a reference to you pal. I can imagine it now - baggies mongboarders chaining themselves to Lancaster Gate at the injustice of Lambert's inclusion over Berahino Never mind that he has four goals and one assist to his name in his entire career (compared to Lambert's 8 goals and 7 assists this season) or that he hasn't scored in two months - after all, we're meant to be picking players on 'form' as you specifically put it, not reputation or even potential. To be clear, I think the lad has plenty of promise and there's a debate to be had whether he should get a call up in the future. But you're implying that there are clear cut alternatives, English strikers who are head and shoulders above Lambert in form. There aren't which makes Lambert's call up neither particularly contentious or hypocritical when the mongboarders lap it up on here. Chin up pal. Keep bashing away at the keyboard with futile arguments - you might strike it lucky one day. This is a good thread. Turkish getting battered post after post and his only response is to give people more ammo to prove him wrong. Its something like mongboard 9-0 Turkish at present. Keep it coming guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 3 March, 2014 Share Posted 3 March, 2014 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 3 March, 2014 Share Posted 3 March, 2014 This is a good thread. Turkish getting battered post after post and his only response is to give people more ammo to prove him wrong. Its something like mongboard 9-0 Turkish at present. Keep it coming guys! I think his preferred analogy is boxing: at least, a fat and f**ked Ricky Hatton had the sense to call it a day and get help from Sporting Chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAS Posted 4 March, 2014 Share Posted 4 March, 2014 .Has Cleverley just laid a cable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint137 Posted 5 March, 2014 Share Posted 5 March, 2014 Baines to be rested, Luke to get at least 45 minutes you would think: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26411663 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 5 March, 2014 Share Posted 5 March, 2014 Has Cleverley just laid a cable? Maybe he's just read this. http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/the-fa-ban-tom-cleverley-from-the-world-cup-squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 5 March, 2014 Share Posted 5 March, 2014 This is a good thread. Turkish getting battered post after post and his only response is to give people more ammo to prove him wrong. Its something like mongboard 9-0 Turkish at present. Keep it coming guys! Battered where? Must be missing something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 5 March, 2014 Share Posted 5 March, 2014 Oh no sunshine, thats definitely how it is!! Called out don't make me laugh. Following me around, copying things I say, quoting me from other forums in compeltely unrelated threads to prove your invente point, now cecking your post history now to see what you've said about me. Still you keep "playing the post not the poster" :lol: You can tell when Turks is getting angry when you see all the typos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 5 March, 2014 Share Posted 5 March, 2014 Chambers, Gallagher and Targett all starting for the U19s with Reed on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 5 March, 2014 Share Posted 5 March, 2014 All 4 of them starting on the bench apparently. Sorry if someone's already said that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 5 March, 2014 Share Posted 5 March, 2014 JWP's playing in the England 21's on BT1 but so far not showing his earlier season good play. The guy's exhausted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 5 March, 2014 Share Posted 5 March, 2014 Proud to be a Saint tonight. Adam and Luke: outstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 6 March, 2014 Share Posted 6 March, 2014 Proud to be a Saint tonight. Adam and Luke: outstanding. Agreed. Both Adam and Luke were outstanding when they came on. No surprise England improved when both came on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 7 March, 2014 Share Posted 7 March, 2014 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/kenny-dalglish-take-youngster-luke-3218841#.UxpJxiUx9NI.twitter Kenny Dalglish: Luke Shaw's age is a reason FOR taking him to Brazil, not for leaving him at home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 7 March, 2014 Share Posted 7 March, 2014 Shaw won't go, Roy will play it safe. Cole has been a great servant bit he's had his time, and I'd be confident with Luke playing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/kenny-dalglish-take-youngster-luke-3218841#.UxpJxiUx9NI.twitter Yeah, taking Theo to Germany really helped him develop............ Can argue both sides, the experience will be really good for him. But then we have to remember his age & whether for OUR needs he would be better served by having a proper summer rest and full pre-season with us. (Note: See Gaston Ramirez for an example of how long it took him to catch up with the rest of the squad this season) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 I think he'll take Cole and I don't have a problem with that. It seems Bains will be first choice so it's about going as an understudy. We're probably talking about group stage matches anyway. Cole is still a class left back and a good defensive one. England have lots of attacking options going forward. Shaw would do just fine if he went but he has a long and successful international career ahead of him and will be a fixture in the squad after the WC (and Baines shouldn't feel too secure either). There's always the possibility of form and fitness issues for Saints next season if Shaw does go. Would probably be the right decision on balance to take the experienced Cole to Brazil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 See that soccer Saturday are trying to undermine the Saints players from the England game, by saying that the Denmark team would be tired when they came on, so they would look good and that nothing was learnt by the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 8 March, 2014 Share Posted 8 March, 2014 I think he'll take Cole and I don't have a problem with that. It seems Bains will be first choice so it's about going as an understudy. We're probably talking about group stage matches anyway. Cole is still a class left back and a good defensive one. England have lots of attacking options going forward. Shaw would do just fine if he went but he has a long and successful international career ahead of him and will be a fixture in the squad after the WC (and Baines shouldn't feel too secure either). There's always the possibility of form and fitness issues for Saints next season if Shaw does go. Would probably be the right decision on balance to take the experienced Cole to Brazil. It all depends on whether you think we can have a decent shot at this one or if it might be better to prepare for the long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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