Saint Charlie Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 We are looking to bring in a back up RB, so why would he be cover? Echo said we aren't. Will cover within squad and mentioned Cork. Need an inquiry into the transfer dealings, Simon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 If Wanyama gets injured like last year then we have a powder puff, tippy tappy central midfield where nobody puts a foot in. If we lose Cork then we 100% have to retain Schneiderlin. Or else they have actually gone mad. And we all know Morgan is going... Morgan won't go until at least January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 If Wanyama gets injured like last year then we have a powder puff, tippy tappy central midfield where nobody puts a foot in. If we lose Cork then we 100% have to retain Schneiderlin. Or else they have actually gone mad. And we all know Morgan is going... Taider is no tippy tappy midfielder... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Who would you pick in midfield playing a 4-1-2-3? Would you start Cork over Wanyama or Schneiderlin? Cork's massively better on ball than wanyama. Some games suits one some the other. With Morgan guaranteed to go if not this window then next, the issue becomes academic. Now we are likely going to go from being extremely strong in middle to much weaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Pulis and Alan Cork go way back incidentally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Morgan won't go until at least January. Nice long term thinking in that scenario by saints, kicking out a great little player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 It's madness, let's be honest. After the total upheaval we've had, you at least try to keep the valuable members you had from last year. Some sort of continuity, just a bit. We're going to be a team of strangers. This smacks of Fitz Hall all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2724334/Jack-Cork-poised-join-Crystal-Palace-Thursday-3m-bid-accepted-Southampton.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490 Off to Palarse for £3m? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 We shouldn't be too surprised. Hard for us to justify paying him his worth for him not to be a starter, and he can start for several other teams in this league. Would explain the Taider signing I suppose... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Nice long term thinking in that scenario by saints, kicking out a great little player. We haven't had any sort of planning seemingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Just had a text that says we've given Palace permission to talk to Jack Cork. Has anybody else heard this or am I being wound up? I can't find anything on the web other than Sky reporting that Palace are told hold talks with an unnamed midfielder from a rival premiership team. It seems your texter was on the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WATERSIDEIFASAINT Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Rumoured in mail tonight that we have accepted a bid of £3 million for Cork from Palace.Would be disappointed to lose Cork with all the changes we have had this summer especially if Morgan goes. Hope it just paper gossip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Division South Days Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Didn't our chairman state just a week or so ago "no more sales". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 This summer has been one great big fat disaster. And still we go to Anfield with Yoshida at CB. That is probably the biggest joke of it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Didn't our chairman state just a week or so ago "no more sales". No. Just said not Morgan or Jay Rod. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Didn't our chairman state just a week or so ago "no more sales". Yep. Do you trust him? I think he was talking about Morgan and Jay Rod tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 It's madness, let's be honest. After the total upheaval we've had, you at least try to keep the valuable members you had from last year. Some sort of continuity, just a bit. We're going to be a team of strangers. This smacks of Fitz Hall all over again. Agreed, utterly crazy. Think I'll be changing my prediction on how close saints will be to relegation zone if it occurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 This summer has been one great big fat disaster. And still we go to Anfield with Yoshida at CB. That is probably the biggest joke of it all. He wont be our CB for very long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 If only the transformation of the Saints squad could be mirrored on this website but get rid of the sh*te.....!!!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Disappointed with that. There goes our RB cover as well. He is and was an abysmal right back and should never, ever be played there. He was dire every time he tried it for Saints (and also for England U21s at St Mary's). I wouldn't sell him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 If we sell him to Palace that's a terrible choice, god knows what the club are thinking to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 He wont be our CB for very long. He will remain as the best option if one of the others cannot play which happens multiple times per season. He will probably start at least 10 league games, possibly more. The guy behind him is even worse, jeez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Absolute joke if Cork goes, especially for that price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Division South Days Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 No. Just said not Morgan or Jay Rod. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk With what has gone on this summer do you believe either will play for us again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 (edited) Cork's massively better on ball than wanyama. Some games suits one some the other. With Morgan guaranteed to go if not this window then next, the issue becomes academic. Now we are likely going to go from being extremely strong in middle to much weaker. No idea where you're getting this guaranteed departure from. I really don't think we'd let Cork go if there was any doubt about Schneiderlin - if he was a risk or we were planning a sale we'd forgo the £3m and let Cork's contract run down. I think the positive here is that Koeman's not afraid to build the team he wants. With a well-funded rebuilding job like this it's no use at all to base formations too closely around the players you already have. One holding midfielder is what Koeman wants, and, good as Cork is, the third choice for that spot isn't in a strong position to negotiate a new contract. Edited 13 August, 2014 by DuncanRG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Daily Fail in 'made up nonsense' shocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 MP and now RK didn't/don't seem to rate Jack but it appears that nearly everyone if us fans do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Would be gutted if Cork went - especially for a poxy £3m - but would hardly be surprised giving how sparingly he has been used in pre-season. Thought we were supposed to be improving the depth of our 'roster', or is that going to be another broken promise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Seemed to remember him getting MOM v Arsenal as a right back on a sky game. . Having looked at the recent Prem matches v Arsenal and the line ups, I assume you're referring to the 1-1 draw at St Mary's on New Year's Day. Seems strange that a "Man of the Match" would only be mentioned in a match report for a potential handball to concede a penalty: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/jan/01/southampton-arsenal-premier-league-match-report Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 No idea where you're getting this guaranteed departure from. I really don't think we'd let Cork go if there was any doubt about Schneiderlin - if he was a risk or we were planning a sale we'd forgo the £3m and let Cork's contract run down. I think the positive here is that Koeman's not afraid to build the team he wants. With a well-funded rebuilding job like this it's no use at all to base formations too closely around the players you already have. One holding midfielder is what Koeman wants, and, good as Cork is, the third choice for that spot isn't in a strong position to negotiate a new contract. Anyone who thinks Morgan has any long-term future at saints is deluded. Cork has shown he is versatile enough to play further up in the midfield. Shameful action if saints flog him for peanuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Didn't our chairman state just a week or so ago "no more sales". No he didn't. He said Schneiderlin and Rodriguez wouldn't be sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Anyone who thinks Morgan has any long-term future at saints is deluded. Cork has shown he is versatile enough to play further up in the midfield. Shameful action if saints flog him for peanuts. I like Cork as much as anyone but the one thing he couldn't do was play further up in midfield. He's not and never will be an attacking player. Who would you play in a midfield three with one going deeper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Poor decision if it happens. We experimented with Cork, Victor and Morgan towards the end of last season and it made us incredibly tough to break down. With the frailties and uncertainties at the back, the combo could come in very handy this season and that's even assuming Morgan stays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 No idea where you're getting this guaranteed departure from. I really don't think we'd let Cork go if there was any doubt about Schneiderlin - if he was a risk or we were planning a sale we'd forgo the £3m and let Cork's contract run down. I think the positive here is that Koeman's not afraid to build the team he wants. With a well-funded rebuilding job like this it's no use at all to base formations too closely around the players you already have. One holding midfielder is what Koeman wants, and, good as Cork is, the third choice for that spot isn't in a strong position to negotiate a new contract. That's what I'd find hard to figure out, Schneiderlin is most likely going, sooner or later, so we could really do with keeping hold of Cork. This situation further highlights, along with the Boruc/Forster debate, how difficult it is for a club our size to build a squad with genuine quality and ability in depth. Good players are much more likely to be happy to sign up to the bench of Man U than ours or more importantly would rather have a starting role at somewhere like Palace than be on our bench. I think Taider may be intended as a long term solution in midfield, don't know enough about him to judge yet. Would be gutted if Cork goes though, top bloke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 I would be very surprised if Schneiderlin and Rodriguez are still at Saints by the end of the transfer window. So discounting Morgan who is our back-up defensive midfielder after Victor? Sapher Taider? Is he a defensive midfielder though - I'm not really sure where he plays? box-to-Box? As a number 10? And I have feeling he was only brought in as part of the Osvaldo deal as it was the only way we were going to get rid of him for the season. Is he any good - we don't really know yet. Harrison Reed? Too young and unproven probably and maybe too small. But again I thought he was more of a box-to-box midfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 That's what I'd find hard to figure out, Schneiderlin is most likely going, sooner or later, so we could really do with keeping hold of Cork. Yup - I don't think we'd dream of letting Cork go if there was a chance of Schneiderlin either leaving or not performing in the immediate future. I can understand why some fans struggle to trust the club on that though. It might be that we see Taider as more versatile than Cork - a decent attacker who can also deputise as third choice holding midfielder. If that's the intention and it works out then I think it's a smart move. Gardos is also capable of playing defensive midfield, as I understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 I would be very surprised if Schneiderlin and Rodriguez are still at Saints by the end of the transfer window. So discounting Morgan who is our back-up defensive midfielder after Victor? Sapher Taider? Is he a defensive midfielder though - I'm not really sure where he plays? box-to-Box? As a number 10? And I have feeling he was only brought in as part of the Osvaldo deal as it was the only way we were going to get rid of him for the season. Is he any good - we don't really know yet. Harrison Reed? Too young and unproven probably and maybe too small. But again I thought he was more of a box-to-box midfielder. Is this really a matter? I do think the club and manager knows something about that.... (and yes he is) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 A midfield without either Cork, Morgan or Wanyama if he got injured would be laughably lightweight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintmike5 Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 If this happens, and lets face facts it probably will, this will be the latest in an ever-lengthening list of wrong turns made by the club, not so much the fact we're selling him but the fact that we have got to a position where we have no choice but to. I'm afraid that something is so clearly wrong at the heart of the club that refusing to believe it is no more than pure blind faith which I can no longer share. As well as the 6 that have already gone, Morgan, Cork and Boruc seem desperate to get out of the club, Jay Rod is not signing the contract extension that we so publicly offered him and I suspect that Fonte would have also left had we not offered him the captaincy and possibly assured him of first team football this season. The fact that we are being tipped as dark horses for the drop by some pundits, despite the fact we finished 23 points off relegation in May, is in itself an utterly damning verdict on the club's performance over the summer, and no amount of blindly throwing money at mediocre strikers will help them crawl out of it. The only positive I can draw is RoKo himself, who has played a bit of a blinder so far in an impossibly difficult situation. Oh, and for anyone to belittle Cork's abilities and believe that we no longer need him because we think our new loan player is better based on 45 minutes in a friendly makes me pretty annoyed to say the least. Lest we forget, he was considered good enough last year to receive the presidential pick award from Terry Paine at the awards dinner 3 months ago (which is still on YouTube by the way. If anyone was thinking of looking it up, please don't - it's too painful for words). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Yup - I don't think we'd dream of letting Cork go if there was a chance of Schneiderlin either leaving or not performing in the immediate future. I can understand why some fans struggle to trust the club on that though. It might be that we see Taider as more versatile than Cork - a decent attacker who can also deputise as third choice holding midfielder. If that's the intention and it works out then I think it's a smart move. Gardos is also capable of playing defensive midfield, as I understand it. That's not much of a convincing argument though, we really need at least one of MS or Cork as an absolute minimumin the squad, Taider is in no-way an adequate replacement for the pair, regardless of being a decent player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 I would be very surprised if Schneiderlin and Rodriguez are still at Saints by the end of the transfer window. So discounting Morgan who is our back-up defensive midfielder after Victor? Sapher Taider? Is he a defensive midfielder though - I'm not really sure where he plays? box-to-Box? As a number 10? And I have feeling he was only brought in as part of the Osvaldo deal as it was the only way we were going to get rid of him for the season. Is he any good - we don't really know yet. Harrison Reed? Too young and unproven probably and maybe too small. But again I thought he was more of a box-to-box midfielder. Admittedly based solely on one friendly - Taider is a very tidy footballer. I was impressed anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 I like Cork as much as anyone but the one thing he couldn't do was play further up in midfield. He's not and never will be an attacking player. Who would you play in a midfield three with one going deeper? Disagree think as well as being good in holding role, he's got attributes to play further forward and did well when asked to do so in one of games towards end of season. Crazy to remove another key performer from last few seasons especially when Morgan I has made it clear his long-term future isn't with saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 (edited) If this happens, and lets face facts it probably will, this will be the latest in an ever-lengthening list of wrong turns made by the club, not so much the fact we're selling him but the fact that we have got to a position where we have no choice but to. I'm afraid that something is so clearly wrong at the heart of the club that refusing to believe it is no more than pure blind faith which I can no longer share. As well as the 6 that have already gone, Morgan, Cork and Boruc seem desperate to get out of the club, Jay Rod is not signing the contract extension that we so publicly offered him and I suspect that Fonte would have also left had we not offered him the captaincy and possibly assured him of first team football this season. The fact that we are being tipped as dark horses for the drop by some pundits, despite the fact we finished 23 points off relegation in May, is in itself an utterly damning verdict on the club's performance over the summer, and no amount of blindly throwing money at mediocre strikers will help them crawl out of it. The only positive I can draw is RoKo himself, who has played a bit of a blinder so far in an impossibly difficult situation. Oh, and for anyone to belittle Cork's abilities and believe that we no longer need him because we think our new loan player is better based on 45 minutes in a friendly makes me pretty annoyed to say the least. Lest we forget, he was considered good enough last year to receive the presidential pick award from Terry Paine at the awards dinner 3 months ago (which is still on YouTube by the way. If anyone was thinking of looking it up, please don't - it's too painful for words). Some seriously wild-ass speculation there. Who says Cork and Boruc are desperate to leave? Also if Fonte wanted to leave then there is no way that being offered the captaincy would have made any difference. Edited 13 August, 2014 by kpturner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 (edited) That's not much of a convincing argument though, we really need at least one of MS or Cork as an absolute minimumin the squad, Taider is in no-way an adequate replacement for the pair, regardless of being a decent player. I agree. What I'm saying is that we must be sure Schneiderlin is staying and will play this season. I can't imagine we'd let Cork go otherwise. If that's not the case and we're risking being left with Wanyama then I'll be outraged as everyone else. Edited 13 August, 2014 by DuncanRG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 If this happens, and lets face facts it probably will, this will be the latest in an ever-lengthening list of wrong turns made by the club, not so much the fact we're selling him but the fact that we have got to a position where we have no choice but to. I'm afraid that something is so clearly wrong at the heart of the club that refusing to believe it is no more than pure blind faith which I can no longer share. As well as the 6 that have already gone, Morgan, Cork and Boruc seem desperate to get out of the club, Jay Rod is not signing the contract extension that we so publicly offered him and I suspect that Fonte would have also left had we not offered him the captaincy and possibly assured him of first team football this season. The fact that we are being tipped as dark horses for the drop by some pundits, despite the fact we finished 23 points off relegation in May, is in itself an utterly damning verdict on the club's performance over the summer, and no amount of blindly throwing money at mediocre strikers will help them crawl out of it. The only positive I can draw is RoKo himself, who has played a bit of a blinder so far in an impossibly difficult situation. Oh, and for anyone to belittle Cork's abilities and believe that we no longer need him because we think our new loan player is better based on 45 minutes in a friendly makes me pretty annoyed to say the least. Lest we forget, he was considered good enough last year to receive the presidential pick award from Terry Paine at the awards dinner 3 months ago (which is still on YouTube by the way. If anyone was thinking of looking it up, please don't - it's too painful for words). Got to wonder if the club seriously want to beat the feat of going from 8th to relegation in two seasons, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Got to wonder if the club seriously want to beat the feat of going from 8th to relegation in two seasons, lol. What on earth are you on about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Love to see Cork given a new deal. Very tidy player and hopefully Koeman will agree in due course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Saints are playing a system with three central midfielders and Saints have seven first team central midfielders, Cork is 25 years old, isn't first choice and has only one year left on his deal. Although he is a good player its understandable why both the club would sell him and he'd want to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Of course the resident experts know far more than Koeman and Pochettino. Seems neither, for whatever reason, rated Cork. Not sure why not but they are the ones in charge. This does give Reed the chance to move up the pecking order which is no bad thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Disgraceful IMO. Plus massively strengthens palace who will no doubt finish above us now. Saints lose a great little player and get no money in return. In bleakest moments didn't think things would get this atrocious. He is not a "great player" and palace will not finish above us. If we are going to have a pathway to the first team for players like HR and JWP we can't have average mid/bottom premiership players standing in their way. I'm happy with the midfield we have without him, he's not as good as people make out . Playing for palace is about his level, we have a far better midfield than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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