Sour Mash Posted 15 November, 2014 Share Posted 15 November, 2014 Only if you can take the core of youngsters and throw them in confidently.... Don't let the pressure of the environment constrict them. Let them develop out of direct sight in the U21's. Let them mature, do not rush things. They're playing for Man Utd, Liverpool etc, Champions League football, high pressure expectations, playing them in the U21s rather than the first XI for England won't make any difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 15 November, 2014 Share Posted 15 November, 2014 They're playing for Man Utd, Liverpool etc, Champions League football, high pressure expectations, playing them in the U21s rather than the first XI for England won't make any difference. For separate teams. They need time to learn each other's games, learn how to play together.... and do it without every single misstep being dissected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 15 November, 2014 Share Posted 15 November, 2014 Why would them playing in the U21s make them better players? They're good enough for regular Prem starts, Champions League games etc. I think the idea is you have a core of settled players who know each other and the system that the national side wants to play, so after 3 or 4 years they all step up into the first team a few at a time and you have a side that knows, likes and plays for each other in a style of play they know inside out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 15 November, 2014 Share Posted 15 November, 2014 I think the idea is you have a core of settled players who know each other and the system that the national side wants to play, so after 3 or 4 years they all step up into the first team a few at a time and you have a side that knows, likes and plays for each other in a style of play they know inside out. But at what point to you step them up? You'd want to do it in advance of a major competition, get the players integrated into the team and squad, which is what is happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 15 November, 2014 Share Posted 15 November, 2014 Bobby Charlton might be an England legend, but boy is he a sour faced old bugger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 But at what point to you step them up? You'd want to do it in advance of a major competition, get the players integrated into the team and squad, which is what is happening. You wouldn't need to integrate them if they had been playing together since they were 17/18 that's the point. You introduce the next "batch" just after each tournament, that gives them 2 years to get used to any extra pressures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 this is why the U21 seems to be getting a lot more attention these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 Why are we playing Scotland this week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 I hope none of the Saints play and we get smashed by the Scots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 You wouldn't need to integrate them if they had been playing together since they were 17/18 that's the point. You introduce the next "batch" just after each tournament, that gives them 2 years to get used to any extra pressures. But that's not the point being put forward on this thread - it was suggested that some of our younger players should still be with the U21s now, rather than forming part of the current squad. I've been critical of Hodgson for a variety of reasons, but I think he's done a good job in giving young players an opportunity to break through in most cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 Why are we playing Scotland this week? In return for the game at Wembley last year. The one that SRL came on and scored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 But that's not the point being put forward on this thread - it was suggested that some of our younger players should still be with the U21s now, rather than forming part of the current squad. I've been critical of Hodgson for a variety of reasons, but I think he's done a good job in giving young players an opportunity to break through in most cases. I know but it has to start at some point, if we're going to do it we need to say 'right, from now on players will stay in the under 21s until they're actually over 21'. It'll weaken the first team short term but from 2016 onwards we should start seeing a more cohesive unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 @RonaldKoeman: Enjoying! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 Just a reminder Netherlands vs Latvia today I think we have to root for Netherlands unfortunately to do away with the rumours of Koeman to the Dutch team as Guus is up for the sack if they fail to beat Latvia. I say unfortunately because our very own Latvian Michael Owen is of course coaching the Latvian side. I'm torn, I have wished Marian every success and followed his managerial career closely but the Dutch job would be a big carrot to Koeman (yes I've seen his quotes dismissing the job) and the press would be unbearable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 Hiddink on borrowed time regardless of what happens today. Might be better just to get it out the way, have them lose today and then Koeman to say "no" which he has pretty much said he would at the moment. Otherwise it will just come round again when they lose in 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 16 November, 2014 Author Share Posted 16 November, 2014 http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/huge-security-operation-launched-scotland-4637018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 Italy v Croatia is live on ITV4. Potential to be very funny indeed if Pellè and Lovren both play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 Just a reminder Netherlands vs Latvia today I think we have to root for Netherlands unfortunately to do away with the rumours of Koeman to the Dutch team as Guus is up for the sack if they fail to beat Latvia. I say unfortunately because our very own Latvian Michael Owen is of course coaching the Latvian side. I'm torn, I have wished Marian every success and followed his managerial career closely but the Dutch job would be a big carrot to Koeman (yes I've seen his quotes dismissing the job) and the press would be unbearable. A Dutch reporter said the other day he has regular contact with Ron and said he's enjoying his time here more than he has at any other club , he's ****ed that he was overlooked (made some funny joke about koeman wiping his ass with a Germany shirt after playing them and said is similar to how he feels now) and also said he would wager a thousand pounds that he would stay with us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 As was said on talksport, who would have thought that Lichtenstein, San Marino and Faroe Isles would get 7 points out of a possible 9!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picard Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 Also Belgium Wales. We'll see how well Toby does against Bale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-scooby Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 Toby playing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svetac Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 As per Serbian papers Tadic will miss friendly game against Greece due to knee injury, and he is on his way back to Southampton. In my opinion there is no reason to worry. After Serbian manager resigned, friendly game will be irrelevant, and 5 injured players got permission to leave national team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 Holland 1 Latvia 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 Sort it out Marian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 Is Alderweireld playing centre back for Belgium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 Sort it out Marian. No don't! - We want Hiddink to stay put! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 Blind injured. Unlucky United Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 Holland 2 Latvia 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 Holland 3 Latvia 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 Welbeck never looks like scoring until he scuffs one in. Plumb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.REX Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 Been watching the dutch game. They've still got lots of quality, especially considering they've got Depay and Strootman to potentially come into the side. Lots of opportunity for Hiddink to turn the qualification around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 It's a better route for them in terms of learning - they'd get even more game time and the chance to play in the U21 championship next year. How much learning would they get from doing well in that championship? Learning about the pressures and what it takes to progress through the rounds. Not to mention crucial team bonding. Other countries use their U21s a lot more, we definitely should, especially with the opportunity of next year. I'd also add Chambers to the list. Exactly this, been saying it for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 I see Jelle Van Damme is playing for Belgium. Is he that Jelle Van Damme? The crap one who used to play for us and must be about 100 now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 I see Jelle Van Damme is playing for Belgium. Is he that Jelle Van Damme? The crap one who used to play for us and must be about 100 now? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 5-0 to Holland. Edit: make that 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 FT: Belgium 0 Wales 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lickierambert Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 Watching Benteke tonight, I'm really glad he's not playing next Monday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 I see Jelle Van Damme is playing for Belgium. Is he that Jelle Van Damme? The crap one who used to play for us and must be about 100 now? No... Van Damme not even in the squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 Pelle on the bench for tonight's game vs Croatia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 Pelle on the bench for tonight's game vs Croatia As is Lovren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 Watching Benteke tonight, I'm really glad he's not playing next Monday Id love us to sign him, I personally think he is better than Lukaku Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 No... Van Damme not even in the squad http://www1.skysports.com/football/live/match/309000/teams No. 21. Golden generation?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 Pelle on the bench for tonight's game vs Croatia ........will serve them right - if they lose..... or maybe they 'll need him to come on with 10 minutes left and win the game for them.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 http://www1.skysports.com/football/live/match/309000/teams No. 21. Golden generation?? hmm... that's a mistake or perhaps you have edited the team ... Alderweireld played at CB and Vertonghen was LB. The BBC Football match has the correct squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 FT: Belgium 0 Wales 0 I thought it was a good game as expected, great result for Wales. Horrific clash of heads towards the end. Fellaini is a vile player all round, loves his elbows that lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 16 November, 2014 Author Share Posted 16 November, 2014 Blind has done ligament damage to his knee (according to reports) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 Fellaini is a vile player all round, loves his elbows that lad. Amazing that he continually gets away with it, considering that it's not as if no pundit ever brings it up in their analysis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sentry Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 Id love us to sign him, I personally think he is better than Lukaku Not sure why you picked Lukaku to compare to but Agreed, but only when he is fit and wants to play. Lukaku stays fit though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo71 Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 Amazing that he continually gets away with it, considering that it's not as if no pundit ever brings it up in their analysis. Exactly my thoughts. He thought that Allen had blocked him some 5 mins before and so deliberately stuck his elbow in when he had a chance...nasty piece of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.REX Posted 16 November, 2014 Share Posted 16 November, 2014 Pellé on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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