supersonic Posted 13 December, 2015 Share Posted 13 December, 2015 "Saints have nothing to fear [Palace and Stoke]" Awkward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sad saints fan Posted 13 December, 2015 Share Posted 13 December, 2015 "Saints have nothing to fear [Palace and Stoke]" Awkward Not at all mate. I was at the game yesterday and they were to evenly matched sides. The big difference was that they had eleven players who were at 100%,we had 2or 3 who were a bit below par. On another day it would probably have ended a draw. No shame in being on a par with Palace they are a good team. Slightly off topic but I would like to say how good the stewards at Selhurst Park were, very helpful and ready to share a joke with the Saints fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 December, 2015 Share Posted 13 December, 2015 Not at all mate. I was at the game yesterday and they were to evenly matched sides. The big difference was that they had eleven players who were at 100%,we had 2or 3 who were a bit below par. On another day it would probably have ended a draw. No shame in being on a par with Palace they are a good team. Slightly off topic but I would like to say how good the stewards at Selhurst Park were, very helpful and ready to share a joke with the Saints fans Sorry can't say I agree at all. They were the better team and had much better chance on average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 13 December, 2015 Share Posted 13 December, 2015 Sorry can't say I agree at all. They were the better team and had much better chance on average. Plus the fact that we were clearly better than palace last season and took 6 points from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sad saints fan Posted 13 December, 2015 Share Posted 13 December, 2015 Think I said 2 or 3 of our players were a bit below par ,so they were the better team. If those players had been on song it could well have been a draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 13 December, 2015 Share Posted 13 December, 2015 Think I said 2 or 3 of our players were a bit below par ,so they were the better team. If those players had been on song it could well have been a draw. A draw at Palace would have hardly been anything to be proud about and it's numbing to think we'd need 11 players on par to achieve that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sad saints fan Posted 13 December, 2015 Share Posted 13 December, 2015 A draw at Palace would have hardly been anything to be proud about and it's numbing to think we'd need 11 players on par to achieve that. Any points that are achieved against premier league opposition are something to be proud of. and points gained against a team sitting in 6th position would be even more impressive. We didnt get any but sometimes it just works that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 13 December, 2015 Share Posted 13 December, 2015 Not at all mate. I was at the game yesterday and they were to evenly matched sides. The big difference was that they had eleven players who were at 100%,we had 2or 3 who were a bit below par. On another day it would probably have ended a draw. No shame in being on a par with Palace they are a good team. Slightly off topic but I would like to say how good the stewards at Selhurst Park were, very helpful and ready to share a joke with the Saints fans My point was that the article, published before the season started, arrogantly shrugged off Palace and Stoke as not being rivals to Saints as we were doing the best thing in the transfer market by taking the cheap option. I also reference the part of the article where the author states we got a better deal with Claise than Palace did with Cabaye. The "awkward" part is that both Palace and Stoke have beaten us in the past few weeks and Cabaye scored the winner. I'd very much say they've both given us something to fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 December, 2015 Share Posted 13 December, 2015 A draw at Palace would have hardly been anything to be proud about and it's numbing to think we'd need 11 players on par to achieve that. If you think that is the case then case how arrogant have we become? Do you really believe that to win away at Palace we simply need to turn up? They are a very good side and have been for all of this calendar year. Pardew has done an incredible job and they've done very well in the transfer market. People accuse the big clubs of arrogance yet here we are claiming that we should be able to brush aside decent sides like palace without being at our best. Kind of sums up why so many are in meltdown at a few bad results that all clubs will have this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 13 December, 2015 Share Posted 13 December, 2015 If you think that is the case then case how arrogant have we become? Do you really believe that to win away at Palace we simply need to turn up? They are a very good side and have been for all of this calendar year. Pardew has done an incredible job and they've done very well in the transfer market. People accuse the big clubs of arrogance yet here we are claiming that we should be able to brush aside decent sides like palace without being at our best. Kind of sums up why so many are in meltdown at a few bad results that all clubs will have this season. At the moment you would have to say that Palace and Stoke are sides than us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 13 December, 2015 Share Posted 13 December, 2015 At the moment you would have to say that Palace and Stoke are sides than us. And we were clearly better than both last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 13 December, 2015 Share Posted 13 December, 2015 If you think that is the case then case how arrogant have we become? Do you really believe that to win away at Palace we simply need to turn up? They are a very good side and have been for all of this calendar year. Pardew has done an incredible job and they've done very well in the transfer market. People accuse the big clubs of arrogance yet here we are claiming that we should be able to brush aside decent sides like palace without being at our best. Kind of sums up why so many are in meltdown at a few bad results that all clubs will have this season. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 13 December, 2015 Share Posted 13 December, 2015 And we were clearly better than both last season. That was then and this is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 13 December, 2015 Share Posted 13 December, 2015 The sad fact is two seasons ago our squad was miles better than that of Palace or Stoke whereas this season our squad is probably worse than both. In Puncheon, Zaha and Bolasie Palace have a great attacking 3 and a playmaker of real quality in Cabaye. Supporting them they have a solid squad of players and in a couple of other positions are probably better of than us as well - right back foe example with Ward. Stoke have a great front three of Bojan, Shaqiri and Arnautovic - again supported by a solid squad of hard working players - and again with players like Eric Pieters at left back some real quality in there as well. West Ham have also strengthened their squad with real quality in Zarate, Lanzini and Payet and also have a solid squad whilst Carl Jenkinson is a much better right back than anything we have. All three have better squads - with more quality and strength in depth than us now. And when you add last seasons top 6 (Arsenal, Cheslea, Man Utd, Liverpool, Man City, Spurs) and Everton without the distraction of the Europa League who all have better squad than us - and Leicester who are having one of those seasons -we will be lucky to finish 12th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 14 December, 2015 Share Posted 14 December, 2015 If you think that is the case then case how arrogant have we become? Do you really believe that to win away at Palace we simply need to turn up? They are a very good side and have been for all of this calendar year. Pardew has done an incredible job and they've done very well in the transfer market. People accuse the big clubs of arrogance yet here we are claiming that we should be able to brush aside decent sides like palace without being at our best. Kind of sums up why so many are in meltdown at a few bad results that all clubs will have this season. No one is suggesting that we just have to turn up, what is being suggested is that based on finishing 7th last season the hope was that we would continue our push, but we have not improved our squad successfully where as Palace and Stoke have and have subsequently become stronger than us. Although it seems that keeping our better players is impossible, buying on the cheap and hoping that they will come good instantly is ludicrous, short sighted and frankly unambitious. I don't think Ronald's to blame but I wouldn't be surprised if he is very frustrated by the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 14 December, 2015 Share Posted 14 December, 2015 No shame in being on a par with Palace they are a good team. Isnt that the point that the word 'awkward' was referring to. Palace and Stoke have improved from last season, probably due to their new signings so therefore the premise of the OP that the signings of Palace and Stoke are nothing to be feared is probably wrong, and added to that one of those signings just scored against us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 14 December, 2015 Share Posted 14 December, 2015 If you think that is the case then case how arrogant have we become? Do you really believe that to win away at Palace we simply need to turn up? They are a very good side and have been for all of this calendar year. Pardew has done an incredible job and they've done very well in the transfer market. People accuse the big clubs of arrogance yet here we are claiming that we should be able to brush aside decent sides like palace without being at our best. Kind of sums up why so many are in meltdown at a few bad results that all clubs will have this season. I don't think you read what I posted. I said a draw at Palace wouldn't have been anything to be proud about, not a win. Any point(s) away from home in the Premier League are valuable, I just don't like the idea that Southampton need all 11 players on par to achieve an away point at Crystal Palace. How the mighty have fallen in that case... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 December, 2015 Share Posted 14 December, 2015 I don't think you read what I posted. I said a draw at Palace wouldn't have been anything to be proud about' date=' not a win. Any point(s) away from home in the Premier League are valuable, I just don't like the idea that Southampton need all 11 players on par to achieve an away point at Crystal Palace. How the mighty have fallen in that case...[/quote'] Palace are sixth in the table, level on points with Tottenham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 14 December, 2015 Share Posted 14 December, 2015 Palace are sixth in the table, level on points with Tottenham. With a team that cost half ours as well. Not sure why our £60m team needed to be 'on it' to contain a £30m Palace team. I'm not being arrogant, I'm just wondering how standards are so easily slipping. We should expect more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 14 December, 2015 Share Posted 14 December, 2015 Palace are sixth in the table, level on points with Tottenham. I think that's the point re this thread isn't it? Palace are 6th due to their style of play, players they've retained and players they've now added to their team. We were told in the summer that we had little to be concerned about because what other clubs were doing wasn't great and what we were doing was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 December, 2015 Share Posted 14 December, 2015 With a team that cost half ours as well. Not sure why our £60m team needed to be 'on it' to contain a £30m Palace team. I'm not being arrogant' date=' I'm just wondering how standards are so easily slipping. We should expect more.[/quote'] We do expect more, but you can't read too much into one game. Maybe the difference is the manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 December, 2015 Share Posted 14 December, 2015 I think that's the point re this thread isn't it? Palace are 6th due to their style of play, players they've retained and players they've now added to their team. We were told in the summer that we had little to be concerned about because what other clubs were doing wasn't great and what we were doing was. 'Players they've retained' may be the important bit. Every time there's a turnover of players the performances usually suffer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 14 December, 2015 Share Posted 14 December, 2015 No one is suggesting that we just have to turn up, what is being suggested is that based on finishing 7th last season the hope was that we would continue our push, but we have not improved our squad successfully where as Palace and Stoke have and have subsequently become stronger than us. Although it seems that keeping our better players is impossible, buying on the cheap and hoping that they will come good instantly is ludicrous, short sighted and frankly unambitious. I don't think Ronald's to blame but I wouldn't be surprised if he is very frustrated by the situation. Stoke have only broken through the £10m transfer mark twice, once with Crouchy and the other with Shaqiri. Arnautovic is turning into a very good player but they picked him up for £2m, so for every one of the players in that price band that comes good, there will be a dozen who fail miserably and every PL team has a clutch of those to parade around. Palace have broken £10m once and that was to buy Cabaye. They got him because Pardew had a good relationship with him at Newcastle and charmed him with the attraction of putting him at the centre of the team so he can improve his chance of playing in the Euro's this summer. It seems to be working for them and good luck to them for that. They also paid £7m for Connor Wickham (yet to score a goal ). Saints have broken that £10m barrier loads of times - Mane, Wanyama, Tadic, Lovren, Forster, Bertrand, Van Dijk, Long - all very good players who have made the team better and stronger. Therefore, we cannot be said to be buying on the cheap when compared to teams around us who are at our level. I don't see Stoke or Palace as stronger than us. They are on good runs and we are not. That is the short term difference. If there is a difference, it's that both Stoke and Palace have complete faith in their manager (both of whom have good PL experience, btw) and have a long term vision based on minor improvements every year. There will come a time when they cannot progress, but until that time, then happy days. We have risen swiftly which has served to elevate the expectations of the fans to unrealistic levels, with our players getting snapped up and one manager getting tempted away. Hence why there is a such a meltdown after a run of 3 losses out of 4 games! Ludicrous! IMHO, the players are not crap, the manager hasn't "lost it" and the board are not greedy/inept/unwilling to spend. Some fans are though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 14 December, 2015 Share Posted 14 December, 2015 Stoke have only broken through the £10m transfer mark twice, once with Crouchy and the other with Shaqiri. Arnautovic is turning into a very good player but they picked him up for £2m, so for every one of the players in that price band that comes good, there will be a dozen who fail miserably and every PL team has a clutch of those to parade around. Palace have broken £10m once and that was to buy Cabaye. They got him because Pardew had a good relationship with him at Newcastle and charmed him with the attraction of putting him at the centre of the team so he can improve his chance of playing in the Euro's this summer. It seems to be working for them and good luck to them for that. They also paid £7m for Connor Wickham (yet to score a goal ). Saints have broken that £10m barrier loads of times - Mane, Wanyama, Tadic, Lovren, Forster, Bertrand, Van Dijk, Long - all very good players who have made the team better and stronger. Therefore, we cannot be said to be buying on the cheap when compared to teams around us who are at our level. I don't see Stoke or Palace as stronger than us. They are on good runs and we are not. That is the short term difference. If there is a difference, it's that both Stoke and Palace have complete faith in their manager (both of whom have good PL experience, btw) and have a long term vision based on minor improvements every year. There will come a time when they cannot progress, but until that time, then happy days. We have risen swiftly which has served to elevate the expectations of the fans to unrealistic levels, with our players getting snapped up and one manager getting tempted away. Hence why there is a such a meltdown after a run of 3 losses out of 4 games! Ludicrous! IMHO, the players are not crap, the manager hasn't "lost it" and the board are not greedy/inept/unwilling to spend. Some fans are though. why is it unexpected to actually retain some players? the numbers we have 'let go' is the last 18 months is a new high for any club in the top flight outside of a leeds scenario (even then, doubt they lost as many) was it totally unrealistic to have kept lallana...maybe Shaw? obviously, players come and go but the numbers we have experienced are vast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 14 December, 2015 Share Posted 14 December, 2015 (edited) why is it unexpected to actually retain some players? the numbers we have 'let go' is the last 18 months is a new high for any club in the top flight outside of a leeds scenario (even then, doubt they lost as many) was it totally unrealistic to have kept lallana...maybe Shaw? obviously, players come and go but the numbers we have experienced are vast There's no way we could have kept Shaw. There there is no club ever, tonight anyway I can't think of one, that have ever toned it down and refused to sell a young defender, especially when the player is good. Is on the news a lot this kind of thing and clubs when they see the bill they will not be forsaken, right? It's just how it is. Tone, so so much is about money now. Not much has changed since we were run by that toff. Fee men, the agents, they run the show now and probably will for ever. Ton of examples of young players going and they will be forever to nearly be like that, you can't just buy players in Exchange and Mart. In ezy-peasy language it doesn't happen and it won't ever. Tonight that's my view and good. Is only an opinion don't read too much into it. Edited 14 December, 2015 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 14 December, 2015 Share Posted 14 December, 2015 Isnt that the point that the word 'awkward' was referring to. Palace and Stoke have improved from last season, probably due to their new signings so therefore the premise of the OP that the signings of Palace and Stoke are nothing to be feared is probably wrong, and added to that one of those signings just scored against us. Nail on the head. The arrogance and ignorance of some Saints fans is bemusing and somewhat comical at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 14 December, 2015 Share Posted 14 December, 2015 That was then and this is now. It sure was. So only natural people wonder how in the space of 12 months we have gone from being comfortably better than Palace to currently worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 9 January, 2016 Share Posted 9 January, 2016 One more reason to envy it today. Both teams in the 4th round of the FA Cup, and one of them knocking us out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 9 January, 2016 Share Posted 9 January, 2016 The attitude of the article probably reflected by the club: complacent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 9 January, 2016 Share Posted 9 January, 2016 Starting to Envy Bournemouth too now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 9 January, 2016 Share Posted 9 January, 2016 Just a frustration-fuelled quasi-rant of a piece, if you get a chance to give it a read and some feedback... please do. http://www.shoot.co.uk/why-saints-fans-shouldnt-be-envious-of-other-clubs/ Just read the original article again what a load of horse-shyt. thought it at the time and nothing has come about to change my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrensup Posted 9 January, 2016 Share Posted 9 January, 2016 Just read the original article again what a load of horse-shyt. thought it at the time and nothing has come about to change my opinion My personal favourites include, Southampton are a club looking to be sustainable, and a consistent top-eight club Its all to easy for Saints fans to forget about the embarrassment of talent already at the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 9 January, 2016 Share Posted 9 January, 2016 The article's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 9 January, 2016 Share Posted 9 January, 2016 The article's fine. Except for being mostly wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 9 January, 2016 Share Posted 9 January, 2016 It's fine because we have nothing to fear from Stoke and Palace (2 league and 1 cup defeat) because our summer transfer dealings were spot on compared to them buying Cabeye etc. Fwiw Cabeye would be our best midfielder by a country mile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 9 January, 2016 Share Posted 9 January, 2016 Was Cabaye playing today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 9 January, 2016 Share Posted 9 January, 2016 Was Cabaye playing today? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 9 January, 2016 Share Posted 9 January, 2016 Yes Was he subbed after 75mins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 9 January, 2016 Share Posted 9 January, 2016 Was he subbed after 75mins? After 83mins for Jedinak, according to the BBC, although I can't actually say that I noticed it at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 2 February, 2016 Share Posted 2 February, 2016 God, glad we aren't palace & in relegation battle... 11th ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 2 February, 2016 Share Posted 2 February, 2016 This thread highlights football fans unable to recognise a good player when they see one. Fickle football fans being fickle... shocker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 February, 2016 Share Posted 2 February, 2016 Thankfully the people in charge of the club don't panic, as I believed they wouldn't. I think the way we've managed both Cedric and Clasie this year has been good, they're slowly growing into this side and we look a lot better with them in it than we do without. I know a lot of people see the name Shaqiri and get excited because he's a name, but if you actually speak to some Stoke fans they are actually pretty underwhelmed by him - bar 1 or 2 moments he's been pretty average and anonymous according to them. But football is an incredibly transient sport, there will be ups and there will be downs. How clubs deal with the low moments will shape the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 2 February, 2016 Share Posted 2 February, 2016 Are we reaping what we sowed from our summer business, or have the chickens come home to roost? I can't remember which one it is but I wish we were Stoke I wish we were Palace I wish we were Watford I wish I wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 2 February, 2016 Share Posted 2 February, 2016 Soares looking good. Double VD is class. Romeu is very good: needs more games. Claise is class, and will keep getting better. Juanmi: jury's out. Hard to see where he fits. Cuco is a squad filler: poor signing, but bit of a ledge for "that" goal. With hindsight some great business. The big question is what was going on in the camp early on and in the recent dip in form? The Europa experience - just wierd. The poor form: why? Or rather why are we so much better now?! Interesting and slightly confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 3 February, 2016 Share Posted 3 February, 2016 Soares looking good. Double VD is class. Romeu is very good: needs more games. Claise is class, and will keep getting better. Juanmi: jury's out. Hard to see where he fits. Cuco is a squad filler: poor signing, but bit of a ledge for "that" goal. With hindsight some great business. The big question is what was going on in the camp early on and in the recent dip in form? The Europa experience - just wierd. The poor form: why? Or rather why are we so much better now?! Interesting and slightly confusing. No Yoshida or Caulker on the pitch, going three/five at the back and the bigman back in goal seems to be a major factor. Even during the bad run we weren't playing that badly. The pattern was play some decent stuff not score, when we were on top, and then someone would gift a goal (or two) at the back. We seem to have stopped the gifts from the defence now we just need to score our chances......step in Mr Austin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 3 February, 2016 Share Posted 3 February, 2016 I've said for a long time that going out of the Europa so early really knocked the confidence out of the team. Looking a lot better now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 3 February, 2016 Share Posted 3 February, 2016 I've said for a long time that going out of the Europa so early really knocked the confidence out of the team. Looking a lot better now. Agreed, I thought it knocked everyone, including Koeman for a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 3 February, 2016 Share Posted 3 February, 2016 Agreed, I thought it knocked everyone, including Koeman for a bit. Think this must be the case; he was clearly well below par for a tliitle while after. Looked miserable (even ignoring his achilles). I still find myself why we approached that away leg in the way we did though. Ah well. Can't change the past.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 3 February, 2016 Share Posted 3 February, 2016 I've said for a long time that going out of the Europa so early really knocked the confidence out of the team. Looking a lot better now. Don't doubt this but similarly you have to wonder how playing the group stages would have stretched the squad. All hypothetical of course, it might have left us fairly fragile for league fixtures, but it could have been the making of say Reed or someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 3 February, 2016 Share Posted 3 February, 2016 Think this must be the case; he was clearly well below par for a tliitle while after. Looked miserable (even ignoring his achilles). I still find myself why we approached that away leg in the way we did though. Ah well. Can't change the past.... I'm not sure - our dip started in November against Stoke - up to then we had had dreadful spells in games, but equally also had good spells and managed to get wins or draws (e.g. Bournemouth). From then until Watford we were wasteful in front of goal and were playing like we had a broken spirit (even if at times we still played well), and Ronald's demeanour reflected his team. If it was Europa disappointed surely this would have kicked in earlier? Last season I wasn't convinced on Forster (albeit he did come up with one or two 'Arsenal' type displays), but his return certainly seems to have galvanised the team defensively, whether because they have more confidence in him or because he has been organising them well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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