Dalek2003 Posted 15 October, 2015 Share Posted 15 October, 2015 Koeman: "Ankle ligaments. 2 - 4 weeks" Could be worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 15 October, 2015 Share Posted 15 October, 2015 Could be worse. Indeed. It could've been Mane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 16 October, 2015 Share Posted 16 October, 2015 not Saints - related (thankfully) but there was a list of fans looking to get Danny Ings signed up in the summer..but now he is sidelined for the rest of the season with cruciate ligament problem (or similar). Looking at the agonising wait that JayRod had in getting fit again, perhaps....(in retrospect)....it's good that we didn't sign him. I have no sympathy for Liverpool at all...but hope that Danny will be on the mend soon. Perhaps .....if Herr Klopp doesn't "do the business " at Anfield, Danny may return to ....yet another manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 16 October, 2015 Share Posted 16 October, 2015 not Saints - related (thankfully) but there was a list of fans looking to get Danny Ings signed up in the summer..but now he is sidelined for the rest of the season with cruciate ligament problem (or similar). Looking at the agonising wait that JayRod had in getting fit again, perhaps....(in retrospect)....it's good that we didn't sign him. I'm confused how you've come to this. Are you suggesting if Saints had signed Ings that whilst a Saints player he would have injured his knee in a Liverpool training session? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Lej Posted 16 October, 2015 Share Posted 16 October, 2015 I'm confused how you've come to this. Are you suggesting if Saints had signed Ings that whilst a Saints player he would have injured his knee in a Liverpool training session? Seriously mate, quit the pathetic pedantic and constant correcting of every single thing anyone ever says that you don't believe is 100% accurate or that you don't understand. It's incredibly sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd_barrett_saint Posted 17 October, 2015 Share Posted 17 October, 2015 Seriously mate, quit the pathetic pedantic and constant correcting of every single thing anyone ever says that you don't believe is 100% accurate or that you don't understand. It's incredibly sad It can be annoying, but this time he's right. It's ridiculous to suggest that Ings would have gotten injured had he gone to Saints instead of Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 17 October, 2015 Share Posted 17 October, 2015 I'm confused how you've come to this. Are you suggesting if Saints had signed Ings that whilst a Saints player he would have injured his knee in a Liverpool training session? There may have been a weakness in his knee tissue in the first place, and though it maybe difficult to diagnose, it's obvious that if his knee was so fragile ..... ........he could have been injured anywhere....at anytime....in a training session... or a match. The geography is surely irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 17 October, 2015 Share Posted 17 October, 2015 There may have been a weakness in his knee tissue in the first place, and though it maybe difficult to diagnose, it's obvious that if his knee was so fragile ..... ........he could have been injured anywhere....at anytime....in a training session... or a match. The geography is surely irrelevant. David in Sweden - 1 MLG - 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 17 October, 2015 Share Posted 17 October, 2015 There may have been a weakness in his knee tissue in the first place, and though it maybe difficult to diagnose, it's obvious that if his knee was so fragile ..... ........he could have been injured anywhere....at anytime....in a training session... or a match. The geography is surely irrelevant. What a load of nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 17 October, 2015 Share Posted 17 October, 2015 It can be annoying, but this time he's right. It's ridiculous to suggest that Ings would have gotten injured had he gone to Saints instead of Liverpool. No. He is not right. Highly probable this would have happened to Danny sooner or later, unless he quit football. Injuries like this are more likely to be due to an inerent weakness. Dave In Sweden. 2 MLG 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 17 October, 2015 Share Posted 17 October, 2015 Glenn Murray in The Mail this morning blames the 'new-style pitches'. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3275555/Bournemouth-striker-Glenn-Murray-blames-pitches-spate-flight-knee-injuries.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 17 October, 2015 Share Posted 17 October, 2015 Glenn Murray in The Mail this morning blames the 'new-style pitches'. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3275555/Bournemouth-striker-Glenn-Murray-blames-pitches-spate-flight-knee-injuries.html Lots of reasons offered that I've seen, but none whatsoever mention "inherent weakness" but David in Sweden and Vectis say so so must be the reason. Must be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 17 October, 2015 Share Posted 17 October, 2015 We have all got a weakness in our knee if it twists beyond the point it is able to. It is like saying JRod's injury was caused by a weakness in his knee. Twist your knee, you are b*ggered. It is as simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 17 October, 2015 Share Posted 17 October, 2015 We have all got a weakness in our knee if it twists beyond the point it is able to. It is like saying JRod's injury was caused by a weakness in his knee. Twist your knee, you are b*ggered. It is as simple as that. You're right of course, bit then JRod's injury was not a twist. He landed on it straight and it crumpled. That is the type of injury ee are seeing now in greater numbers. It could be partly down to the modern pitches having less give brvause of the way they are constructed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vivasadio Posted 17 October, 2015 Share Posted 17 October, 2015 https://instagram.com/p/88FsWDmdVm/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 17 October, 2015 Share Posted 17 October, 2015 (edited) We have all got a weakness in our knee if it twists beyond the point it is able to. It is like saying JRod's injury was caused by a weakness in his knee. Twist your knee, you are b*ggered. It is as simple as that. quite some years ago I had a knee injury (not a sporting one), but on successive visits got interesting info. from the physio on cause and effect. he said ....that 80% of his patients were sportsmen / women because the heavy training schedule they undergo on a regular basis plays havoc with ligaments, and that the knee is one of the most complicated joints in the body. If there is a weakness, it can take a long time to recover the strength ...if indeed they recover 100% at all. that's the only reason I remembered. Of course, accidents can happen anytime, but a hardtraining sportsman is additionally vulnerable compared to those of us who may only walk to work ...or to the pub. Those neighbourhood joggers who pound the pavements so regularly (?)...should put themselves down for a knee op. or hip replacements in 2035. Edited 17 October, 2015 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 19 October, 2015 Share Posted 19 October, 2015 Any news on Stekelenberg? I haven't seen any post-match interviews so something may have been said there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaffaSaint Posted 24 October, 2015 Share Posted 24 October, 2015 says on the os stekelenberg is back, cedric should be ok but Jay is struggling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 24 October, 2015 Share Posted 24 October, 2015 quite some years ago I had a knee injury (not a sporting one), but on successive visits got interesting info. from the physio on cause and effect. he said ....that 80% of his patients were sportsmen / women because the heavy training schedule they undergo on a regular basis plays havoc with ligaments, and that the knee is one of the most complicated joints in the body. If there is a weakness, it can take a long time to recover the strength ...if indeed they recover 100% at all. that's the only reason I remembered. Of course, accidents can happen anytime, but a hardtraining sportsman is additionally vulnerable compared to those of us who may only walk to work ...or to the pub. Those neighbourhood joggers who pound the pavements so regularly (?)...should put themselves down for a knee op. or hip replacements in 2035. Strange then that the physio I did, which led to my knee injury no longer causing my leg to give way, was running and strengthening muscles around the knee. Anyone would think that exercising was better for them than not. Plus numerous people have come back from injuries stronger due to specifically strengthening the area of weakness. As for Danny Ings' injury, I don't recall us having any details of how he did it, which makes any kind of analysis of how and why it happened pretty difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 25 October, 2015 Share Posted 25 October, 2015 Strange then that the physio I did, which led to my knee injury no longer causing my leg to give way, was running and strengthening muscles around the knee. Anyone would think that exercising was better for them than not. Plus numerous people have come back from injuries stronger due to specifically strengthening the area of weakness. As for Danny Ings' injury, I don't recall us having any details of how he did it, which makes any kind of analysis of how and why it happened pretty difficult. I also did some extra training to build up the weakened knee after treatment, and - as you said - the knee tissue needed building up, but then again my problem was from a freak accident when I hit my knee on an office desk. I never played in a football team that trained as intensively, and as often as Prem. players do. I can only assume that intensive training must place more stress on the knees /ankles than the average persons daily activities, but there does seem to a plethora of such injuries in the Prem. at the moment - (think Bournemouth alone have 3 players out for the season with related injuries). As you appear to know more about the subject, I bow to your superior knowledge. My original comment was that it was fortunate for us that Ings wasn't a Saints player when it happened. (someone)... earlier on the thread suggested Ings' injury happened in a Liverpool training session, which of course could happen to any player in any club, anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 29 October, 2015 Share Posted 29 October, 2015 Shane Long doubtful for Ireland game according to MON. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashby Saint Posted 29 October, 2015 Share Posted 29 October, 2015 Serious knee ligament injuries are very common in the NFL. While athletes can build up muscle, they can't strengthen ligaments which become the weak area that snaps first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 29 October, 2015 Share Posted 29 October, 2015 Serious knee ligament injuries are very common in the NFL. While athletes can build up muscle, they can't strengthen ligaments which become the weak area that snaps first. That's one of the problems for those kind of sports, football impacts are more easily predicted, usually target the ball not the player, and as a result players can get up in the air to prevent the damage from twisting with full bodyweight through the joint at the point of impact (unless you're Jay Rodriguez which was an absolute fluke). In rugby, gridiron etc the tackles can come from anywhere, you're more likely to be at high speed as you're not slowed by controlling a ball at your feet, and they're allowed to directly hit you rather than attempting to take the ball away. Imagine how bad it would be with chop blocks legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 4 November, 2015 Share Posted 4 November, 2015 Good to see Shane back in training today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 4 November, 2015 Share Posted 4 November, 2015 That's one of the problems for those kind of sports, football impacts are more easily predicted, usually target the ball not the player, and as a result players can get up in the air to prevent the damage from twisting with full bodyweight through the joint at the point of impact (unless you're Jay Rodriguez which was an absolute fluke). In rugby, gridiron etc the tackles can come from anywhere, you're more likely to be at high speed as you're not slowed by controlling a ball at your feet, and they're allowed to directly hit you rather than attempting to take the ball away. Imagine how bad it would be with chop blocks legal. Not quite true. The evidence is that the majority of ACL injuries in the NFL are not contact-related - one estimate puts the figure as high as 70%. Accidents happen because of the way athletes jump, land and plant their feet, especially when its on their nondominant side. The reason why rates are higher in the NFL, at least, is that athletes are simply bigger and faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 5 November, 2015 Share Posted 5 November, 2015 Christ! Allerdyce certainly goes to great lengths to spy on us if he's prepared to dress up like that bloke in yellow on the left. PS. Welcome Back to training Shane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 5 November, 2015 Share Posted 5 November, 2015 Just after that picture was taken the yellow inflatable tackled Shane! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 5 November, 2015 Share Posted 5 November, 2015 Christ! Allerdyce certainly goes to great lengths to spy on us if he's prepared to dress up like that bloke in yellow on the left. PS. Welcome Back to training Shane. I assumed it was Kelv... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 5 November, 2015 Share Posted 5 November, 2015 Good to see Shane back in training today. Komen just said in his press conference that Saturday is too early for Long to be in the match day squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 5 November, 2015 Share Posted 5 November, 2015 Good to see Shane back in training today. Why is the player on the "banana" not wearing any boots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 5 November, 2015 Share Posted 5 November, 2015 Why is the player on the "banana" not wearing any boots? New Adidas "Emperor" design. Not just Laceless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 5 November, 2015 Share Posted 5 November, 2015 Good to see Shane back in training today. Good one, though surprised the ball is so close to Longy's feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 5 November, 2015 Share Posted 5 November, 2015 Shane Long injured in training again today apparently? Another 3-4 weeks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 5 November, 2015 Share Posted 5 November, 2015 Shane Long injured in training again today apparently? Another 3-4 weeks? No he wasn't, that came from "journalists" who didn't listen to what Koeman actually said. Koeman said Long trained this week but isn't quite fit enough yet to be in the match day squad, but thinks both he could be for the Stoke game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 5 November, 2015 Share Posted 5 November, 2015 No he wasn't, that came from "journalists" who didn't listen to what Koeman actually said. Koeman said Long trained this week but isn't quite fit enough yet to be in the match day squad, but thinks both he could be for the Stoke game. Fair enough - saw the Solent tweet he suffered a set-back in training today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 5 November, 2015 Share Posted 5 November, 2015 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/20151105-koeman-pre-sunderland-southampton-forster-2786560.aspx Sounds like good news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 5 November, 2015 Share Posted 5 November, 2015 Why is the player on the "banana" not wearing any boots? For protection. It's an inflatable splint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 6 November, 2015 Share Posted 6 November, 2015 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/20151105-koeman-pre-sunderland-southampton-forster-2786560.aspx Sounds like good news. great news. Most articles stated that this injury would mean a 6-9 month recovery, which is what it would have roughly been. the talk about him NEVER playing this season was always OTT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 6 November, 2015 Share Posted 6 November, 2015 For protection. It's an inflatable splint. There's probably a market for a full-body splint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 6 November, 2015 Share Posted 6 November, 2015 Good one, though surprised the ball is so close to Longy's feet. not at all, you just cant see gaston in the picture who is shouting "NUTS" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 6 November, 2015 Share Posted 6 November, 2015 great news. Most articles stated that this injury would mean a 6-9 month recovery, which is what it would have roughly been. the talk about him NEVER playing this season was always OTT. Isn't that OTT really, Snodgrass of Hull did the same injury last July and hasn't recovered fully yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 6 November, 2015 Share Posted 6 November, 2015 great news. Most articles stated that this injury would mean a 6-9 month recovery, which is what it would have roughly been. the talk about him NEVER playing this season was always OTT. The counting of chickens is going well. The same was said about J-Rod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 6 November, 2015 Share Posted 6 November, 2015 The counting of chickens is going well. The same was said about J-Rod. Yep. Fully expecting a similar "should be by christmas...should be in the new year...should be by february...should get a game before the end of the season...we won't risk him this season" to play out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 6 November, 2015 Share Posted 6 November, 2015 The counting of chickens is going well. The same was said about J-Rod. I think what Koeman said was in good faith. The lad is squatting a lot on that knee as well: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 November, 2015 Share Posted 6 November, 2015 Unfortunately placement of the Saints logo there, don't let a Skate get hold of it, it'll be on a t-shirt before you can say "League 2". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 6 November, 2015 Share Posted 6 November, 2015 Excellent news on Forster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 6 November, 2015 Share Posted 6 November, 2015 Personally think Stek has been => Forster, so happy he comes back in his own good time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 6 November, 2015 Share Posted 6 November, 2015 Stekelenberg's distribution is approximately 8 million times better than FF's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 6 November, 2015 Share Posted 6 November, 2015 Stekelenberg's distribution is approximately 8 million times better than FF's. It is consistently excellent, always gives Pelle a chance high up the pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 6 November, 2015 Share Posted 6 November, 2015 It is consistently excellent, always gives Pelle a chance high up the pitch His short passing is miles better too. Always feel like FF is a liability with the ball at his feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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