EBS1980 Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 https://www.southamptonfc.com/news/2022-05-25/club-statement-southampton-football-club-coaching-changes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 Well, it's a start I guess. Assuming Ralph is staying and will bring in his own people? Or is the black box going to work its magic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 Extra detail: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10854557/Southampton-SACK-three-members-Ralph-Hasenhuttls-backroom-staff.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 The right thing to do. Good luck to them all especially Davis but had to be done 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 25 May, 2022 Author Share Posted 25 May, 2022 Hopefully a change in the roles brought in too, with a proper assistant one of those coming in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 About time. Time to raise the quality far higher 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 3 minutes ago, Turkish said: The right thing to do. Good luck to them all especially Davis but had to be done Agree, but we will now have largely Ralph's squad, no doubt he'll also have a say as to who joins the coaching set up, so no excuses next season. Get it right, or be gone. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 Who's in charge of banter with Kelvin gone though??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 Good. The right thing to do. Sad to see KD leave the club, given his loyalty and service in our rise back up the leagues. He should never have been given a first team coaching role though: not as his first coaching gig. Crazy decision. All the best KD! And cheers. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 Could do worse than getting Sammy Lee back or even Stuart Pearce 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 The SaintsWeb-ification of Southampton Football Club is complete. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barsiem Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 Thanks for their service, but have to feel this is the right decision. Would like Ralph gone as well, but will trust the club in this 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 It's a good start getting better coaches but you can't polish a turd, and there are a lot of players on our books that I very much doubt can be improved to an acceptable standard. Hopefully the improvement of the coaching staff is followed with an improvement in the playing staff. Shame about Kelvin though. I started going regularly to St Mary's during our League One era and have good memories of him between the sticks (and some bad!), but he was never proven as a coach and with our league status on the line there is no room for much sentimentality. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 Well they haven’t hung about there to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 Just saw Eric Black at Winchester services. Carrying a toblerone, a signed Jürgen Klopp photo and a sheet of piano music. 2 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 All we need is a fan on the board and a stadium expansion and this place will lose its mind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 The correct decision. Things simply have to change, and I back Ralph to be the one to lead our revival. Next up, a cull of the playing squad please. If he is backed in the transfer window and we bring in coaches, I assume Ralph will have a say in who they are, I believe we will improve. However, my view if there is no improvement or sign of improvement by the time we break for the World Cup, I think Ralph's position will be untenable. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 Positive news, hopefully the start of a shake up across staff and players. Mail article hints at playing squad investment too. Definitely seems like last chance saloon for Ralph, absolutely zero excuses left now for him to get this right. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Fastenbüttl Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 On 22/05/2022 at 22:28, Ralph Fastenbüttl said: On balance I think I remain in the 'Pro Ralph' camp, but that's conditional on the new owners doing three things: 1. Replacing the coaching staff. All of them. They're fucking shite. 2. Forcing Ralph to get an Assistant Manager. Ralph is capable of getting us playing good football, but he needs a knowledgeable and experienced partner to help him in the situations in which he struggles, and to provide other plan B options when shit on the pitch ain't working. 3. Investing a good nine figure sum into the squad. We need first team ready signings, not just promising youngsters, and of course a reliable, quality striker. Also, let's get some proper Prem experience in the heart of defence and midfield - a couple of 30 somethings who've maybe even won stuff or at the very least challenged for honours, and are perhaps looking for their last decent contract. Then we build around them with youth. If the above isn't going to happen then there's clearly no point sticking with Ralph, as three years in he's still struggling to achieve any progress with what we've currently got. OK, that's one tick! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvSFC Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 This is hopefully the first of many steps in the right direction this summer. Something needed to change with the coaching, be it the manager, or the people behind him, who've been at the club for years now, breeding averageness and despite question marks, I'm sure we can all agree that Hasenhuttl is a better manager than Fleming, Davis and Watson are coaches. I said it before, Adkins had his own team here with Crosby perceived to be the bad cop to his good cop. Poch had his own team, that he took to Spurs and still works with at PSG. Koeman had his brother, Jan Kluitenberg (sp), Sammy Lee, Watson as a GK coach, even Puel, Pellegrino and Hughes had their own guys. Why we decided we needed everlasting coaches, I don't know. Possibly one of Les Reeds' job for the boys beliefs. As said, we had success here with Watson as a GK coach, but that doesn't make him a good overall coach. Fleming and Davis were promoted well above their stations after being in the youth setup, and, essentially being in the right place at the right time. We all love Davis and I'd welcome the recently vacant ambassadorial role for him, but, sadly we need better as a Premier League coach, in the same way that we needed better in goal once we became a Premier League club. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 Sparkes & Kitzbichler deemed to be doing good jobs, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 Good riddance to bad rubbish. They somehow managed to take good players and leach quality out of them. Hope new blood improves it (as long as good coaches) and that will definitely expose Ralph’s aptitude. Wonder if they appoint a number two who clearly has the propensity to step up… 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 Right decision but a shame that Kelvin's time with the club ends this way. But as others have said he was promoted out of his depth in being elevated to First Team Coach and that is where some of the fault lies. Hope he continues in the game. (Sods Law his son moves on to another Academy and turns out to be a star in the making). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 A positive sign Sport Republic look to identify potential problems and hopefully resolve them quickly! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 4 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said: Sparkes & Kitzbichler deemed to be doing good jobs, then. I did think the GK coach might also be vulnerable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 So the first major decision by the new owners and it seems to be seen as a positive on here. Is it possible we fans are going to have a happy summer?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 Just now, Badger said: Sods Law his son moves on to another Academy and turns out to be a star in the making Kelvin leaving the club doesn't automatically mean his son needs to as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 14 minutes ago, Suhari said: Just saw Eric Black at Winchester services. Carrying a toblerone, a signed Jürgen Klopp photo and a sheet of piano music. I was there and notice a diesel spillage. Some bloke putting cones around it. Wondered what Dennis Rofe was up to these days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 It doesn’t really solve lack of in-game nous/tactical obstinacy from Ralph. So not enough for me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 Just now, Matthew Le God said: Kelvin leaving the club doesn't automatically mean his son needs to as well. No it doesn't. But could sour the relationship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 1 minute ago, Badger said: I did think the GK coach might also be vulnerable. I don’t think he’s done a terrible job all things told. There’s only so much polishing of a turd you can do… and Forster seemed to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 Obviously sorry that three fellas have lost their jobs. Good luck to them all. But, from the club’s POV, this at least seems to be a positive step towards addressing our problems. I won’t claim to have an inside knowledge of our set up, so can’t comment on what Ralph was getting in terms of input from his coaches. But it definitely seems to me that Ralph needs people to support him and challenge his ideas. The whole Salisu long throw nonsense sums up where we were in terms of set piece invention. it will be interesting to see who comes in and where this leaves Ralph. If I were him, I’d definitely feel like I’d had my wings clipped. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 (edited) Been made redundant a couple of times myself so don't like to see people lose their jobs but changes were needed. Good luck to all of them. Edited 25 May, 2022 by ecuk268 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 1 minute ago, DT said: It doesn’t really solve lack of in-game nous/tactical obstinacy from Ralph. So not enough for me. I think we should wait and see who is appointed as replacements before deciding that. Maybe he'll have a better sounding board with any new coaching team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Lej Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 I would say the goalkeeper coach is lucky to keep his job too! From watching the warm up on match days his distribution is embarrassing, comparing that to the standards of Martyn Margeston he’s way way short! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 1 minute ago, The Kraken said: it will be interesting to see who comes in and where this leaves Ralph. If I were him, I’d definitely feel like I’d had my wings clipped. That isn't a given. It would be surprising if he didn't have a big input into who is appointed as replacements. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 17 minutes ago, HarvSFC said: This is hopefully the first of many steps in the right direction this summer. Something needed to change with the coaching, be it the manager, or the people behind him, who've been at the club for years now, breeding averageness and despite question marks, I'm sure we can all agree that Hasenhuttl is a better manager than Fleming, Davis and Watson are coaches. I said it before, Adkins had his own team here with Crosby perceived to be the bad cop to his good cop. Poch had his own team, that he took to Spurs and still works with at PSG. Koeman had his brother, Jan Kluitenberg (sp), Sammy Lee, Watson as a GK coach, even Puel, Pellegrino and Hughes had their own guys. Why we decided we needed everlasting coaches, I don't know. Possibly one of Les Reeds' job for the boys beliefs. As said, we had success here with Watson as a GK coach, but that doesn't make him a good overall coach. Fleming and Davis were promoted well above their stations after being in the youth setup, and, essentially being in the right place at the right time. We all love Davis and I'd welcome the recently vacant ambassadorial role for him, but, sadly we need better as a Premier League coach, in the same way that we needed better in goal once we became a Premier League club. You forgot 'arry. Jim Smith, Joe Jordan and the other fella whose name escapes me. What'Joe doing these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Badger said: Right decision but a shame that Kelvin's time with the club ends this way. But as others have said he was promoted out of his depth in being elevated to First Team Coach and that is where some of the fault lies. Pretty much this... Edited 25 May, 2022 by Matthew Le God 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: That isn't a given. It would be surprising if he didn't have a big input into who is appointed as replacements. What I said and what you’ve said aren’t mutually exclusive. But it seems quite clear that this is a direction he was given. Hopefully it’s a positive move. I just hope it’s not something that Ralph resents, as that spells conflict. Hopefully you’re right, this is something that Ralph wants. I’d just wonder why he didn’t act on it before now. Edited 25 May, 2022 by The Kraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 9 minutes ago, Badger said: I did think the GK coach might also be vulnerable. Why? Andrew Sparkes clearly improved what we had, though he started from a low base. As long as they don't convert him to a general Coach. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 3 minutes ago, VectisSaint said: You forgot 'arry. Jim Smith, Joe Jordan and the other fella whose name escapes me. What'Joe doing these days? Coaching at Bournemouth... https://www.afcb.co.uk/news/club-news/jordan-joins-cherries-as-coach/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgey Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 Interesting that 2 of the coaches in Watson and Davis were clearly not Ralph’s choosing. Whilst I hate to see people made redundant, it never makes sense to me when a club stipulates a new manager has to work with incumbent coaches, which is what we kept doing. hopefully all 3 will find further success elsewhere - but now we have a new question - do we let Ralph employ more yes men or find someone Ralph can work with but isn’t afraid to disagree or can compliment his weaknesses. Like that bloke who went to Bayern, never felt like we really replaced him. Well done SR for making a change, even if it doesn’t work out we needed to try something different. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 A sad but necessary decision. Now we'll really see how good Sports Republic are. They should have observed Where the weaknesses in the coaching setups are including in Hassenhüttl and need to appoint to create a more rounded set of staff. Nows a good chance to put down a strong marker for what they want to achieve as owners. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 For those worried about Kelvin, I’m sure the club will find a role for him if they still want him around to make people laff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydenhamssocks Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 Positive stuff by the new owners in there first move. Hope it continues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 (edited) Edited 25 May, 2022 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 Pleasantly surprised by this. Hopefully we don't scrimp on their replacements, get some coaches in proven to develop talent. We then go into next season with a squad full of players Ralph has chosen to either sign or retain, and a backroom staff you'd assume he's had a hand in picking too. No excuses for next season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 Just now, Matthew Le God said: Saints B team keeper coach not happy... Obviously he doesn't expect to be elevated to first team duties then. Perhaps Semmens will give him 100 lines on the first day back, I must learn the difference between there and their. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 It was always very hard to get behind people whose main qualification for the job seemed to be, "is here already and we like him." Good luck to them but something had to change. I remember watching Tino’s debut in a pre-season friendly when he came on, darted forward and provided an excellent assist in the first thirty seconds. After a small celebration I though, "we’ll we’ll soon coach that out of him," and it’s basically how it transpired. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 25 May, 2022 Share Posted 25 May, 2022 I heard about the coaching shake up a couple of weeks ago. I think the new people want to put their own stamp on things and I don't think anyone could blame them. Will be interesting to see if there are any changes to tactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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