skintsaint Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 We are just waiting for the Japanese league to end. Muscat coming in! Proven winner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertyell Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 Well, he's had the supposed "first 10 games" of the season to prove himself that people seemed to think he was being afforded. 8 points, bottom three, and absolutely abysmal football - I suppose in a way he has proven himself. How much longer? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 Has he gone yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 2 minutes ago, saintant said: Has he gone yet? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint NL Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 Surely he's gone if we get humiliated by Bournemouth. Hopefully he's gone before that, but I won't hold my breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 To keep him in the job any longer would be absolutely criminal. The club needs a lift and the players need inspiration and direction. We won’t get any of that with Ralph in charge any longer. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 The longer he’s here, the lower we are in the league, lower the morale and lower our chances of crucial additions in the next transfer window. Madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 He won’t go until at least the World Cup; and that’s assuming he does go. But the longer it is left and the more matches that pass by, the less appealing the club look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 17 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: He won’t go until at least the World Cup; and that’s assuming he does go. But the longer it is left and the more matches that pass by, the less appealing the club look. What is this based on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 2 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said: Got to be a load of bollocks, surely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 1 minute ago, sfc4prem said: Got to be a load of bollocks, surely. Doesn't say what the calibre of manager is though 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 3 minutes ago, sfc4prem said: Got to be a load of bollocks, surely. Why? Decent premier league club. There will be loads of people after the job 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 6 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Why? Decent premier league club. There will be loads of people after the job As Les used to tell us at the time of each appointment. Yet we still ended with Pelligrino. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Badger said: As Les used to tell us at the time of each appointment. Yet we still ended with Pelligrino. SR reminding me of Les with incredible procrastination levels - constant leaking of stories cannot be helping morale although the players did put some energy and effort in for the first half today. Obvious to all bar Ralph that midfield needed reinforcing second half but outwitted by Moyes. Realistically the successor with the sacking being so inexplicably delayed has to be looking at a decent Liebherr era budget to challenge for automatic promotion next season unless they can pull a survival escape on a par with 1998/9. I don’t know SR were smoking in the summer which made them thought the manager wasn’t a major part of the issue. Edited 16 October, 2022 by saint1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Badger said: As Les used to tell us at the time of each appointment. Yet we still ended with Pelligrino. I don’t blame Les for going with Peligrino, he had decent pedigree to succeed as manager. He was an Argentine international, who played for Barca, played in two champions league finals, won the Uefa cup and 2 la Ligas. He was then Rafa’s coach, and managed Alavés to their first ever Copa del Rey final. People are calling for Selles to replace Ralph, he hasn’t got that sort of background. With hindsight it was an error, personally I can see exactly why they appointed him. Edited 16 October, 2022 by Lord Duckhunter 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintLondon Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 They’re gonna keep Ralph all season aren’t they… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 1 minute ago, SaintLondon said: They’re gonna keep Ralph all season aren’t they… If so, I can only hope that most of the players have got Lowe-esque relegation clauses in their contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 50 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Why? Decent premier league club. There will be loads of people after the job Become a multi millionaire even if you’re shit! I mean, it’s not unenticing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 1 hour ago, DT said: What is this based on? Just my opinion. I’ve been saying it for weeks. Whereas you’ve been saying “he’s gone” after every game for a while now. 😂 I think of SR we’re going to do it they would’ve done it already. My guess is there were certain objectives and then they’d review by a certain point in the season. My guess is the World Cup period will be that time to review and address the problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 18 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: Just my opinion. I’ve been saying it for weeks. Whereas you’ve been saying “he’s gone” after every game for a while now. 😂 I think of SR we’re going to do it they would’ve done it already. My guess is there were certain objectives and then they’d review by a certain point in the season. My guess is the World Cup period will be that time to review and address the problems. I haven’t said he’s gone once. I’ve said I wish he was gone lots of times. If we leave it until the World Cup we will be relegated. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 1 minute ago, DT said: I haven’t said he’s gone once. I’ve said I wish he was gone lots of times. If we leave it until the World Cup we will be relegated. Depends who we appoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 The longer we leave it the less appealing we’ll be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 33 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: Just my opinion. I’ve been saying it for weeks. Whereas you’ve been saying “he’s gone” after every game for a while now. 😂 I think of SR we’re going to do it they would’ve done it already. My guess is there were certain objectives and then they’d review by a certain point in the season. My guess is the World Cup period will be that time to review and address the problems. I fear you’re right. It seems ludicrous that the owners are happy to spunk winnable points until then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 4 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said: I fear you’re right. It seems ludicrous that the owners are happy to spunk winnable points until then. Yep. No doubt we will be adding Bournemouth, Palace and Newcastle to the list soon. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 45 minutes ago, Dellman said: Depends who we appoint. We might be 6 points adrift by then. Might. No one will fancy that, except for ‘good at getting back’ managers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Hill Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 When was the last time we went up by 2 goals in Premiership Game ? Must be close to 30 games ago. It seems as if EVERYONE now knows that if we score first the losing mentality will quickly kick in. This is totally down to the Management to fix. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 9 minutes ago, Andy Hill said: When was the last time we went up by 2 goals in Premiership Game ? Must be close to 30 games ago. It seems as if EVERYONE now knows that if we score first the losing mentality will quickly kick in. This is totally down to the Management to fix. The RH DNA runs deep. Will take quite some untangling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvSFC Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 18 minutes ago, Andy Hill said: When was the last time we went up by 2 goals in Premiership Game ? Must be close to 30 games ago. It seems as if EVERYONE now knows that if we score first the losing mentality will quickly kick in. This is totally down to the Management to fix. Norwich at home, 22 games ago, which says a lot to be fair. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAY-Z Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said: I don’t blame Les for going with Peligrino, he had decent pedigree to succeed as manager. He was an Argentine international, who played for Barca, played in two champions league finals, won the Uefa cup and 2 la Ligas. He was then Rafa’s coach, and managed Alavés to their first ever Copa del Rey final. People are calling for Selles to replace Ralph, he hasn’t got that sort of background. With hindsight it was an error, personally I can see exactly why they appointed him. Spot on, signing him based on what he had achieved in his footballing life wasn’t the problem, it was taking too long to make a change, just like now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedyfly Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said: I don’t blame Les for going with Peligrino, he had decent pedigree to succeed as manager. He was an Argentine international, who played for Barca, played in two champions league finals, won the Uefa cup and 2 la Ligas. He was then Rafa’s coach, and managed Alavés to their first ever Copa del Rey final. People are calling for Selles to replace Ralph, he hasn’t got that sort of background. With hindsight it was an error, personally I can see exactly why they appointed him. I take your point but he has to shoulder some of the blame even on that one. That Alaves league position was a bit of an anomaly with Real Madrid, Atletico and Barca basically loaning out all their youth players to Alaves for that one spectacular season. Sure, Pellegrino still had to coach them and by all accounts did an expected job, but even then a bit of due diligence and some patience may have shown the real face of a manager that has been sacked all the way back to Argentina. He was a very risky appointment in a time where we couldn't really afford it. It was compounded with the Carillo mess, which even the majority on here knew was fucking shite! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 2 hours ago, Harry_SFC said: Yep. No doubt we will be adding Bournemouth, Palace and Newcastle to the list soon. These aren’t winnable games on our current form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 1 minute ago, Daft Kerplunk said: These aren’t winnable games on our current form. In current form no game is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 Maybe Semmens was talking from a position of knowing more about the ambitions of SR than we do when he said it doesn't matter where we finish. It seemed an odd thing to say but the longer this debacle goes on the more what he said has a ring of truth about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 1 hour ago, HarvSFC said: Norwich at home, 22 games ago, which says a lot to be fair. And since then: Played 22 Won 3 Drawn 4 Lost 15 Scored 18 Conceded 48 Points 13 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 58 minutes ago, MAY-Z said: Spot on, signing him based on what he had achieved in his footballing life wasn’t the problem, it was taking too long to make a change, just like now Said it before and I’ll say it again, look at who’s still at the club from the Les days of dithering. Semmens was very important at the club at the time when Krueger was really just a figurehead. The current board are a problem but the real problem with Ralph is that he’s on £6m a year and we are shit commercially and are a declining losing attraction for fans, sponsors etc. whilst things are as crap as they are. Hopefully SR have deep pockets to cover his pay out, and some proven creative and goal scoring players, but they’ve been sold a doozy in its current state and hopefully that doesn’t mean they’ve not got much left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint1 Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 45 minutes ago, Daft Kerplunk said: Said it before and I’ll say it again, look at who’s still at the club from the Les days of dithering. Semmens was very important at the club at the time when Krueger was really just a figurehead. The current board are a problem but the real problem with Ralph is that he’s on £6m a year and we are shit commercially and are a declining losing attraction for fans, sponsors etc. whilst things are as crap as they are. Hopefully SR have deep pockets to cover his pay out, and some proven creative and goal scoring players, but they’ve been sold a doozy in its current state and hopefully that doesn’t mean they’ve not got much left. They dont need deep pockets to cover Ralphs pay out. Replacing and paying off sacked managers is part and parcel of the game and surely they appreciate that funds will be regularly needed for this. Would love to know what Watford have paid out in the past 10 years!! Having the right man at the helm is as important as any 20-30 million pound marquee signing, therefore money should be no issue. Hopefully the delay in removing Ralph is down to identifying his replacement 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint1 Posted 16 October, 2022 Share Posted 16 October, 2022 1 hour ago, Dark Munster said: And since then: Played 22 Won 3 Drawn 4 Lost 15 Scored 18 Conceded 48 Points 13 It should be noted that there was plenty of talk on MOTD2 about Gerrard's future (Ralph's position wasnt even mentioned). His record as Villa manager in the same period - Won 7 Drew 6 Lost 10 Points 27 Over double the number of points that we've accumulated, yet hes under immense pressure 🤷🏼♂️ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 17 October, 2022 Share Posted 17 October, 2022 Gerrard in! Maybe that's what we are waiting for, easy appointment and double the points. 😒 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 17 October, 2022 Author Share Posted 17 October, 2022 I can see Villa appointing Rafa if Gerrard goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SotonianWill Posted 17 October, 2022 Share Posted 17 October, 2022 People asking for Emma Hayes ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 17 October, 2022 Share Posted 17 October, 2022 8 hours ago, woodsaint1 said: It should be noted that there was plenty of talk on MOTD2 about Gerrard's future (Ralph's position wasnt even mentioned). His record as Villa manager in the same period - Won 7 Drew 6 Lost 10 Points 27 Over double the number of points that we've accumulated, yet hes under immense pressure 🤷🏼♂️ The expectations at Villa are higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 17 October, 2022 Share Posted 17 October, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Whitey Grandad said: The expectations at Villa are higher. So are ours than what we are getting now. Edited 17 October, 2022 by skintsaint 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 October, 2022 Share Posted 17 October, 2022 30 minutes ago, SotonianWill said: People asking for Emma Hayes ffs why not? Serial winner, record of high achievement getting the best out of the team, proven track record in England and would cement our place at the top of the table of forward thinking clubs who do things differently. Her emergency hysterectomy might have put the brakes on anything happening this time, but not rule out this sort of out of the box thinking in future. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 17 October, 2022 Share Posted 17 October, 2022 5 minutes ago, Turkish said: why not? Serial winner, record of high achievement getting the best out of the team, proven track record in England and would cement our place at the top of the table of forward thinking clubs who do things differently. Her emergency hysterectomy might have put the brakes on anything happening this time, but not rule out this sort of out of the box thinking in future. 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 17 October, 2022 Share Posted 17 October, 2022 12 minutes ago, skintsaint said: So are ours than what we are getting now. Yeah, we want Champions League according to club representative Adam Blackmore. Arrogant fans like us should be happy with what we’re given but those who know better than us. Please sir, can we have just a few more wins, we’ll be ever so grateful to you if you can do this but we know we shouldn’t question you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 17 October, 2022 Share Posted 17 October, 2022 He's still here then. Utterly ambitionless. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SotonianWill Posted 17 October, 2022 Share Posted 17 October, 2022 32 minutes ago, Turkish said: why not? Serial winner, record of high achievement getting the best out of the team, proven track record in England and would cement our place at the top of the table of forward thinking clubs who do things differently. Her emergency hysterectomy might have put the brakes on anything happening this time, but not rule out this sort of out of the box thinking in future. because the standard of the football in which she has won her titles is awful compared to any football league team let alone premier league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 17 October, 2022 Share Posted 17 October, 2022 4 minutes ago, SotonianWill said: because the standard of the football in which she has won her titles is awful compared to any football league team let alone premier league. Absolutely 100% fished in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 17 October, 2022 Share Posted 17 October, 2022 Another Monday morning and he's still here. 😞 Sleepwalking us into relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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