Northam End to be home fans only + safe standing (new updates)

[SaintsLoyal]

No, we dont want to call the northam stand the 'Markus' stand, the family were happy with the pavillion training ground.

Its great we dont have named stands and argue who to put it on them, leave it like current, clean and simple. 

[franniesTache]

If anyone ever wanted a prime example of why a Northam "kop" will never work then look at this, some of our absolute mouth breathing noddies took a luton flag in for the watford game.

I'm not sure about you but i'd rather deep clean my ballsack in caustic soda than stand next to this level of red lodge every game, properly embarrassing shit that sums up just how shit our support has become

https://x.com/SFCAlfie1885/status/1754987673603723682?s=20

[Turkish]

On 23/01/2024 at 13:03, franniesTache said:

Like who? Every single club that does it at the moment are doing the ultra's bollocks, Ipswich, Boro, Palace, Huddersfield, Arsenal all come to mind.

By all means try and organise a better atmosphere but the minute you give yourselves a name and wave stupid flags around you're on route to a drum and a prick with a megaphone.

 

We're more like an American fan base already. Imagine Hat Kunt leading the singing like thisSeattle whopper with his megaphone. along with Hat Kunt getting Baby Shark going, is this a library (ironic bantz) and you're just a small town in Everton when Liverpool come to SMS. Scenes.

Edited February 7 by Turkish

[LuckyNumber7]

1 hour ago, franniesTache said:

If anyone ever wanted a prime example of why a Northam "kop" will never work then look at this, some of our absolute mouth breathing noddies took a luton flag in for the watford game.

I'm not sure about you but i'd rather deep clean my ballsack in caustic soda than stand next to this level of red lodge every game, properly embarrassing shit that sums up just how shit our support has become

https://x.com/SFCAlfie1885/status/1754987673603723682?s=20

That's exactly why things need to change, and anyway morons like that are more likely to move to be next to the away fans. Hopefully leaving the Northam clear for people who want to mostly sing about Saints.

Also thinking about it, I'd say it's quite possible they were actually Luton fans who maybe live locally. 

Edited February 7 by LuckyNumber7

[gio1saints]

2 hours ago, franniesTache said:

If anyone ever wanted a prime example of why a Northam "kop" will never work then look at this, some of our absolute mouth breathing noddies took a luton flag in for the watford game.

I'm not sure about you but i'd rather deep clean my ballsack in caustic soda than stand next to this level of red lodge every game, properly embarrassing shit that sums up just how shit our support has become

https://x.com/SFCAlfie1885/status/1754987673603723682?s=20

Nobody would like to stand next to that idiot. What a sorry so and so. 

The characteristic of being an idiot would not be a prerequisite for being in the new Northam. Or of safe standing. And the presence of that Luton flag guy last night is not an argument against it- if anything the opposite. 

There is a known correlation between those who wish to stand close to away fans and antagonising behaviour between the two sets of fans. Not all of course many just like the “ edge”- as I did in Archers for years -  but clearly there are some whose raisin d’etre is to be provocative towards away fans. 
 

The Northam Wall (imo) is more about the power and community of Saints fans participating in making the atmosphere best it’s ever been - and enjoying the experience the way they prefer- standing - than showing stupid Luton flags to fans 100 yards away at other end of the ground. *

*Which incidentally will probably get you chucked out in any case. 

Edited February 7 by gio1saints

[franniesTache]

54 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

Nobody would like to stand next to that idiot. What a sorry so and so. 

The characteristic of being an idiot would not be a prerequisite for being in the new Northam. Or of safe standing. And the presence of that Luton flag guy last night is not an argument against it- if anything the opposite. 

There is a known correlation between those who wish to stand close to away fans and antagonising behaviour between the two sets of fans. Not all of course many just like the “ edge”- as I did in Archers for years -  but clearly there are some whose raisin d’etre is to be provocative towards away fans. 
 

The Northam Wall (imo) is more about the power and community of Saints fans participating in making the atmosphere best it’s ever been - and enjoying the experience the way they prefer- standing - than showing stupid Luton flags to fans 100 yards away at other end of the ground. *

*Which incidentally will probably get you chucked out in any case. 

 

1 hour ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

That's exactly why things need to change, and anyway morons like that are more likely to move to be next to the away fans. Hopefully leaving the Northam clear for people who want to mostly sing about Saints.

Also thinking about it, I'd say it's quite possible they were actually Luton fans who maybe live locally. 

I'd put good money on the fact the people like that are the same people constantly singing about the skates, doing the noncey adam/stuart armstrong song and singing about libraries at away games.

They will also be the people who stand in a Northam "kop" carrying on with their stupid "Bantz" and generally embarrassing the city (most likely a city they don't even come from).

It'll be an utter noddy fest if it goes ahead and i'd much rather keep those dins contained in the Northam so i can avoid being even remotely close to them

[gio1saints]

46 minutes ago, franniesTache said:

 

I'd put good money on the fact the people like that are the same people constantly singing about the skates, doing the noncey adam/stuart armstrong song and singing about libraries at away games.

They will also be the people who stand in a Northam "kop" carrying on with their stupid "Bantz" and generally embarrassing the city (most likely a city they don't even come from).

It'll be an utter noddy fest if it goes ahead and i'd much rather keep those dins contained in the Northam so i can avoid being even remotely close to them

So it’s not the concept of having a much improved home end atmosphere you are against but rather the possibility that some existing Northam fans might relocate to be closer to away fans - and that might be near you? 

It’s a fair point if that’s your concern. The issue of existing ST’s elsewhere in ground not wanting away fans being relocated near them - or being moved to accommodate them- or having undesirable fans moving from Northam to be close to them ( and you) is an entirely understandable concern for some supporters. You sit where you sit for a reason and for some a big part of that is not to be near any idiots. 
 

FWIW : I’m a Northam ST and there’s no chance I’m not being a part of the new Northam next season ( if it happens).
 

At some point Saints are going to have to decide wether the ( many) projected benefits of the project outweigh the legitimate concerns of supporters such as yourself. 

Edited February 7 by gio1saints

[franniesTache]

48 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

So it’s not the concept of having a much improved home end atmosphere you are against but rather the possibility that some existing Northam fans might relocate to be closer to away fans - and that might be near you? 

It’s a fair point if that’s your concern. The issue of existing ST’s elsewhere in ground not wanting away fans being relocated near them - or being moved to accommodate them- or having undesirable fans moving from Northam to be close to them ( and you) is an entirely understandable concern for some supporters. You sit where you sit for a reason and for some a big part of that is not to be near any idiots. 
 

FWIW : I’m a Northam ST and there’s no chance I’m not being a part of the new Northam next season ( if it happens).
 

At some point Saints are going to have to decide wether the ( many) projected benefits of the project outweigh the legitimate concerns of supporters such as yourself. 

No i stand in the Itchen North, i moved from the Northam because i started to find the people in the Northam embarrassing and annoying, I have absolutely no desire to be anywhere near those people in Northam, and at away days it's specifically those kind of people that I wish didn't go.

If they make the Northam into a "kop" it'll mean they enforce sitting elsewhere in the ground, that will mean i either have to stand somewhere that i'd rather hammer nails into eyeballs than be in, or sit down in a sanitised version of my current place.

The idea that it will improve atmosphere is rubbish, it'll just create a single noddy filled space and kill off the other pockets that have their own cultures and reasons for being where they are.

Unfortunately a huge amount of people in the northam can't understand why people wouldn't want to join them - maybe because they don't find cringeworthy songs, awful bantz and waving other teams flags as embarrassing - and think it's a fantastic idea

Edit to say:

The ideal for me would be to make both the itchen north blocks 1/2/3 safe standing and the northam 42 round to the kinglsand north safe standing, then put an over 25 age limit on blocks 1/2/3 so that the annoying creche that moved to the itchen north would fuck off back to the northam and the itchen north could have it's old culture back

Edited February 7 by franniesTache

[Tommy Mulgrew]

2 hours ago, gio1saints said:

  but clearly there are some whose raisin d’etre is to be provocative towards away fans. 

At the risk of incurring the grapes of your wrath, a currant or a sultana would do just as well.  🙂

[LGTL]

The club enforcing sitting elsewhere is the big worry for me. I'd rather have a wank with a rusty knife then stand anywhere near the freaks in the Northam these days. Hopefully they bin this well meaning yet awful idea. 

Edited February 7 by LGTL

[Dman]

1 hour ago, franniesTache said:

No i stand in the Itchen North, i moved from the Northam because i started to find the people in the Northam embarrassing and annoying, I have absolutely no desire to be anywhere near those people in Northam, and at away days it's specifically those kind of people that I wish didn't go.

If they make the Northam into a "kop" it'll mean they enforce sitting elsewhere in the ground, that will mean i either have to stand somewhere that i'd rather hammer nails into eyeballs than be in, or sit down in a sanitised version of my current place.

The idea that it will improve atmosphere is rubbish, it'll just create a single noddy filled space and kill off the other pockets that have their own cultures and reasons for being where they are.

Unfortunately a huge amount of people in the northam can't understand why people wouldn't want to join them - maybe because they don't find cringeworthy songs, awful bantz and waving other teams flags as embarrassing - and think it's a fantastic idea

Edit to say:

The ideal for me would be to make both the itchen north blocks 1/2/3 safe standing and the northam 42 round to the kinglsand north safe standing, then put an over 25 age limit on blocks 1/2/3 so that the annoying creche that moved to the itchen north would fuck off back to the northam and the itchen north could have it's old culture back

In fairness, Itchen North isn't a great deal better these days. 

Block 1 / 2, when it re-opened upon promotion to the PL, used to be pretty moody. It was full of actual lads who moved away from the northam because they didn't want to be around the usual saints shirter clowns (as per your point). Over time, it became influtrated with younger 'want to film and put everything on social media' types and is now no better than the northam for absolute clowns.

Itchen North has followed the same painful death of the Aquascutum Scarf, Stone Island and CP Company for 'Noddy Appeal'. 

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

If this goes ahead and they move the away fans then the Itchen North as it is now will no longer be attractive, those that stand there will either follow to where the aways are housed or if they want to continue to stand, will have to go over to the Northam safe-standing. They won't be doing all this and then tolerate standing in seated areas and that will rule out the areas either side of the aways (if in the Kingsland/Chapel corner).

But I'm still struggling a bit to see how this works logistically, it's said it will be the upper Northam (as in orange) but surely this would also require an area of the KIngsland North being made safe-standing. If it's only up to Block 40 in the Northam then those seated towards the back in the KIngsland blocks 37-39 wouldn't be able to see the corner of the pitch  by the Itchen North, blocked by those standing in the Northam. Surely they'd have to stretch into the KIngsland so sight lines aren't interrupted.

But that could at least be an option for the displaced Itchen North crowd, you'd at least be separate from the "noddies" and you'd also have a far better concourse than the what you had in the I.N.

 

[Ted Bates Statue]

8 hours ago, franniesTache said:

No i stand in the Itchen North, i moved from the Northam because i started to find the people in the Northam embarrassing and annoying, I have absolutely no desire to be anywhere near those people in Northam, and at away days it's specifically those kind of people that I wish didn't go.

Fair enough but maybe consider the possibility that without the away fans to 'banter' with and the influx of others from around the ground who do want to stand and sing, the existing culture could mature enough to something a bit more palatable for you.

[Saint_clark]

Some of you boys are so terrified of being embarrassed you're not even willing to try and get involved to improve the atmosphere. 

Why not buy into it, move over to the northam, get some proper chants going and bring back the culture of telling annoying dickheads to shut the fuck up. 

 

[franniesTache]

21 hours ago, Dman said:

In fairness, Itchen North isn't a great deal better these days. 

Block 1 / 2, when it re-opened upon promotion to the PL, used to be pretty moody. It was full of actual lads who moved away from the northam because they didn't want to be around the usual saints shirter clowns (as per your point). Over time, it became influtrated with younger 'want to film and put everything on social media' types and is now no better than the northam for absolute clowns.

Itchen North has followed the same painful death of the Aquascutum Scarf, Stone Island and CP Company for 'Noddy Appeal'. 

Yeah the Northam creche decamping to the IN has pretty much ruined it too, we moved out of blocks 1/2 because of the dinlows turning up and singing their shit noddy songs and waving at the away fans. 

That's why my preference would be an age limit there, only sell tickets to over 25's and hope these numpties fuck off back to the northam.

6 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

Some of you boys are so terrified of being embarrassed you're not even willing to try and get involved to improve the atmosphere. 

Why not buy into it, move over to the northam, get some proper chants going and bring back the culture of telling annoying dickheads to shut the fuck up. 

 

We absolutely get involved in the atmosphere, but it makes no difference because the god awful city clone songs, songs about the skates (or at aways) songs about libraries take over. And there's only so many times you can call someone an embarrassing little prick before you give up.

Better to boot them to a different part of the ground and have our own thing

[Cumbria Saint]

Serious question. What songs are in the "currently acceptable songs to sing" please?

[Harry_SFC]

Proposed stadium layout if the introduction of safe standing goes ahead.

[franniesTache]

1 hour ago, Harry_SFC said:

Proposed stadium layout if the introduction of safe standing goes ahead.

honestly it's such an incredibly shit idea, shame the ego of one man is going to make the ground worse for everyone

[Noodles34]

No one has even approved this, not the council, not the OB or nothing.

Don't really see the point, Northam Wall, do me a favour. 

[Toussaint]

19 minutes ago, franniesTache said:

honestly it's such an incredibly shit idea, shame the ego of one man is going to make the ground worse for everyone

Which man?

[franniesTache]

6 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

Which man?

The one who's idea it is

[Toussaint]

Just now, franniesTache said:

The one who's idea it is

I don't know who's idea it was, hence the question. I don't even know if the supercop who tried to make a name for himself last season is still there?

[LuckyNumber7]

2 hours ago, Harry_SFC said:

Proposed stadium layout if the introduction of safe standing goes ahead.

So from that it looks like the whole of the Northam will be safe standing rather than just the back half? Excellent.

[SaintsLoyal]

There is nothing wrong with the away fans in their current location, it works perfectly and they can be contained when needed in the car park or britannia road. I think moving them to the opposite side is nuts and has the potential for far more 'home fan / away fan' confrontation.

Edited February 27 by SaintsLoyal

[Daft Kerplunk]

Very positive that this is happening. Away fans should not be in the ends and the side is appropriate. This should in theory greatly improve atmosphere as there will be a standing end, and then some will move next to the away fans and it’ll liven up those who think going to football is for sitting on your hands and being near silent.

As for safety, it doesn’t matter where away fans are at St Mary’s because isolation can happen either side if necessary. Coaches can park in the trading estate and roads can be closed off either side to allow traffic to exit. In a way, being at the other end may lead to less confrontation as away fans will be sent on a longer walk away from the stadium and Britannia Road can be used by home fans.  The current set up is just what people are used to and change will be fine. For those old enough, away fans moved from the end to the side at the Dell, and two whole ends for home fans made it much better in terms of atmosphere when it was all seater. 

[S-Clarke]

4 hours ago, SaintsLoyal said:

There is nothing wrong with the away fans in their current location, it works perfectly and they can be contained when needed in the car park or britannia road. I think moving them to the opposite side is nuts and has the potential for far more 'home fan / away fan' confrontation.

The general feeling amongst the fan base for many years is that the away fans where they are is a bit crap, this isn't a new opinion and has been doing the rounds for years.

The proposed location is the only place they could relocate them to, and to add to that - both ends of the ground have home fans behind the goal, the away fans are tucked into the corner. 

I guess the people upset by this are the ones who will be forced to move or change their personal arrangements arriving and exiting the stadium, as I imagine the chapel shortcuts may be off bounds at times - but those are just individual personal gripes, for the majority this is a very positive move.

[die Mannyschaft]

I've had season ticket since start of new SMS in block 42, block 37, block 13 and now in block 24. All sectio have been great and 42 best for banter with away fans. It's horses for courses and I've moved mainly as the season tickets got more expensive and the £399 came in. Its also more expensive with a U16 session in some sections. Bet the price goes up in Northam. Not sure why the away fans needs to be near family centre especially on a Millwall day!

[Daft Kerplunk]

5 hours ago, Toussaint said:

Which man?

Me, and him, and them. 

[JRM]

5 hours ago, Noodles34 said:

No one has even approved this, not the council, not the OB or nothing.

Don't really see the point, Northam Wall, do me a favour. 

Club don't need their approval, This comes from the top, signed off by Sunak 

[Chewy]

Looks like I would be made to move - and even then I’m in favour. We need a home end, the atmosphere is crap and I think this will help. 
Pain as I like my seat but it’s the obvious solution to a problem created the day we moved here.

[SotonianWill]

8 hours ago, Harry_SFC said:

Proposed stadium layout if the introduction of safe standing goes ahead.

Should put safe standing at the top of both the Chapel and Northam, otherwise the away fans noise is to be unopposed on one side of the stadium. Either give us a proper atmosphere or leave it how it is.

[64saint]

5 hours ago, SaintsLoyal said:

There is nothing wrong with the away fans in their current location, it works perfectly and they can be contained when needed in the car park or britannia road. I think moving them to the opposite side is nuts and has the potential for far more 'home fan / away fan' confrontation.

Yes, agreed.  I was also wondering where the away coaches will be parked then ?  The police , when St Mary's opened originally had a big say in where the away supporters were located. Dispersing the away fans seemed to work reasonably well from that corner straight onto their coaches parked in Britannia road.

[Noodles34]

12 minutes ago, 64saint said:

Yes, agreed.  I was also wondering where the away coaches will be parked then ?  The police , when St Mary's opened originally had a big say in where the away supporters were located. Dispersing the away fans seemed to work reasonably well from that corner straight onto their coaches parked in Britannia road.

or close Britannia Road and then let us over the bridge to meet up by The Queen Vic, that really worked well eh @franniesTache

[aintforever]

8 hours ago, Harry_SFC said:

Proposed stadium layout if the introduction of safe standing goes ahead.

I’m all for safe standing but sticking the away section next to the old codgers in the Chapel is just a shit idea.

[ecuk268]

29 minutes ago, 64saint said:

Yes, agreed.  I was also wondering where the away coaches will be parked then ?  The police , when St Mary's opened originally had a big say in where the away supporters were located. Dispersing the away fans seemed to work reasonably well from that corner straight onto their coaches parked in Britannia road.

How are the away fans who come by train going to get back to the station?

Are they going to use Chapel Road, through St Marys churchyard and make their way across the parks? A good few thousand home fans use that route back to town or to the Ocean Village area so there could be problems there.

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

22 minutes ago, ecuk268 said:

How are the away fans who come by train going to get back to the station?

Make them walk along the train tracks to get on at St Denys. Can't really see another option for this really.

[Whitey Grandad]

5 minutes ago, TheAlehouseBrawlers said:

Make them walk along the train tracks to get on at St Denys. Can't really see another option for this really.

On the live rail, of course.

[The Cat]

They'll get back to the station the same way they do now, by walking. 

Left the ground on Saturday, walked down the path to the right of the footbridge and came out at the corner of Britannia Road. Loads of Millwall wandering around asking Saints fans how to get back to the station.

There's no real need to separate fans on the walk back to the station unless we're playing Pompey.

[Give it to Ron]

Why do they have to be close to the ground? How many go away in here ? How many games this year and last have we walked miles to ground and coaches parked roads away . Fulham you are streets away, Millwall frog marched a mile , Villa, QPR had to walk past the home pub and long way , Watford same.

[Saint_clark]

1 hour ago, 64saint said:

Yes, agreed.  I was also wondering where the away coaches will be parked then ?  The police , when St Mary's opened originally had a big say in where the away supporters were located. Dispersing the away fans seemed to work reasonably well from that corner straight onto their coaches parked in Britannia road.

They'll park up in the industrial estate area, simple really. 

[EssEffCee]

This is sure to improve our results at home. As we all know having a large away support behind the goal plays a huge part in teams results.

This is why we did so well when Hull fans were tucked away in a corner at SMS and why Bristol City struggled so badly against us with our support taking up an entire end of their ground.

[SaintNewForest]

12 minutes ago, EssEffCee said:

This is sure to improve our results at home. As we all know having a large away support behind the goal plays a huge part in teams results.

This is why we did so well when Hull fans were tucked away in a corner at SMS and why Bristol City struggled so badly against us with our support taking up an entire end of their ground.

Didn't do our back-to-back promotion seasons much harm, or finishing in 8th / 7th / 6th in the PL.

[Pamplemousse]

10 hours ago, The Cat said:

They'll get back to the station the same way they do now, by walking. 

Left the ground on Saturday, walked down the path to the right of the footbridge and came out at the corner of Britannia Road. Loads of Millwall wandering around asking Saints fans how to get back to the station.

There's no real need to separate fans on the walk back to the station unless we're playing Pompey.

Exactly. It's not a problem away at other clubs. The only issue I recall this season was Cardiff fans kicking off but in general they're not a nice bunch wherever they go.

[franniesTache]

13 hours ago, Noodles34 said:

or close Britannia Road and then let us over the bridge to meet up by The Queen Vic, that really worked well eh @franniesTache

Can't believe that lad didn't take you up on using the shortcut through st mary's to be fair, you were just trying to be helpful 😉

[east-stand-nic]

Does this increase the capacity at all? I mean, even though it is safe standing, surely you can still get more people in a terrace than on seats?

[Kenilworthy]

1 hour ago, east-stand-nic said:

Does this increase the capacity at all? I mean, even though it is safe standing, surely you can still get more people in a terrace than on seats?

It doesn't increase capacity at all because the safe standing is still effectively a seat. So its 1 for 1

[franniesTache]

1 hour ago, east-stand-nic said:

Does this increase the capacity at all? I mean, even though it is safe standing, surely you can still get more people in a terrace than on seats?

Only increase come from gaining seats beck from segregation, though presuambly you''ll still need that elsewhere,  the whole thing is a nonsense though, it's really only "fixing" a problem that doesn't need fixing.

They should just keep the layout the same, make it safe standing from the itchen north to the kingsland north, keep one block of the walk up pay on the day only, make the itchen north over 25's only.

The idea that making the northam and "end" will help atmosphere is weird too, for a start we've had amazing atmospheres in the past with the ground as it is, plus I don't actually believe we have the extra 6k noisy fans we'd need for it to be filled, so it'll just end up with the same amount of people making noise anyway.

It's all pie in the sky b*llocks based on some fantasy of what creates an atmosphere that hasn't existed for a generation in the game, and arguably has never existed for Saints as a culture anyway as we've always had small groups split to different parts of the ground (archers, west stand terrace, under the east, milton, northam, itchen north etc.)

[Chris cooper]

18 hours ago, 64saint said:

Yes, agreed.  I was also wondering where the away coaches will be parked then ?  The police , when St Mary's opened originally had a big say in where the away supporters were located. Dispersing the away fans seemed to work reasonably well from that corner straight onto their coaches parked in Britannia road.

Are they building new apartments on Britannia rd ? Maybe one of the reasons for away fans proposed move to chapel/kingsland corner 

[ErwinK1961]

2 hours ago, franniesTache said:

Only increase come from gaining seats beck from segregation, though presuambly you''ll still need that elsewhere,  the whole thing is a nonsense though, it's really only "fixing" a problem that doesn't need fixing.

They should just keep the layout the same, make it safe standing from the itchen north to the kingsland north, keep one block of the walk up pay on the day only, make the itchen north over 25's only.

The idea that making the northam and "end" will help atmosphere is weird too, for a start we've had amazing atmospheres in the past with the ground as it is, plus I don't actually believe we have the extra 6k noisy fans we'd need for it to be filled, so it'll just end up with the same amount of people making noise anyway.

It's all pie in the sky b*llocks based on some fantasy of what creates an atmosphere that hasn't existed for a generation in the game, and arguably has never existed for Saints as a culture anyway as we've always had small groups split to different parts of the ground (archers, west stand terrace, under the east, milton, northam, itchen north etc.)

Come on, tell us what you really think, are you on board or not?

[OldNick]

2 hours ago, franniesTache said:

Only increase come from gaining seats beck from segregation, though presuambly you''ll still need that elsewhere,  the whole thing is a nonsense though, it's really only "fixing" a problem that doesn't need fixing.

They should just keep the layout the same, make it safe standing from the itchen north to the kingsland north, keep one block of the walk up pay on the day only, make the itchen north over 25's only.

The idea that making the northam and "end" will help atmosphere is weird too, for a start we've had amazing atmospheres in the past with the ground as it is, plus I don't actually believe we have the extra 6k noisy fans we'd need for it to be filled, so it'll just end up with the same amount of people making noise anyway.

It's all pie in the sky b*llocks based on some fantasy of what creates an atmosphere that hasn't existed for a generation in the game, and arguably has never existed for Saints as a culture anyway as we've always had small groups split to different parts of the ground (archers, west stand terrace, under the east, milton, northam, itchen north etc.)

Whilst we will never have a Kop that is revered by the media (it cheesed me off when they booed our national anthem, and then the commentators went quiet so we could hear them sing YNWA) it would be amazing to have an end that generates a real noise. Also putting the away fans on the sides takes their influence away to a degree.

It strikes me that you may be one who thinks entertainment at a football match is flicking V's at the opposition and not look at the game, my apologies if not the case.