Chez Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago 2 minutes ago, skintsaint said: Didn't we get told we have two new attacking players coming in before anyone leaves? We were told we could sign three players without having to sell and then if players leave we can potentially sign others. 4
goodymatt Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago Sulemana is only 23 and we have seen glimpses such as the game at Old Trafford, but even then the end product wasn’t quite there. Given his performances over the 2.5 seasons this is a very good deal with a sell on clause to protect us if he does become the player we hoped he would here. Onuachu looks tired after 20 mins, he’s not going to be pressing from the front like Still will want and was never good enough for the fee we paid. Take the £10m hit and move on. His main highlight was a couple of stepovers and a no look pass in his own third vs Liverpool, I think that says enough. 4
UpweySaint Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago 3 minutes ago, skintsaint said: Didn't we get told we have two new attacking players coming in before anyone leaves? Before anyone has to leave. As in we would target them whether we made sales or not. Getting sales done early is a bonus all the same! 3
Farmer Saint Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago 7 minutes ago, goodymatt said: No thank you. It wasn't aimed at you... 4 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Do we not even go for a drink first? Sulemana for 18m is enough to get me wet...
Chez Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago 2 minutes ago, goodymatt said: Sulemana is only 23 and we have seen glimpses such as the game at Old Trafford, but even then the end product wasn’t quite there. Went over this at the time - he did provide end product, it's just that some fans don't really understand what that means. Personally I am disappointed to see him go. Edozie and Fraser are not as good. 2
Badger Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago 14 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said: Gutted we’ve lost Sulemana. Who are we going to replace r him with. Not sure there are many players with as much no end-product as him. And Tall Paul. Who else are we going to sign that gets puffed out sprinting 3 yards and moves with all the grace of a baby giraffe. Don’t worry, it’s reassuring to know we’ve still got Edozie to provide no end-product. 1 1
HarvSFC Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago Neither Sulemana or Onuachu work hard enough off the ball for a pressing team. The press starts from the forwards, and they haven't shown they've got it in them. There were times last season when the opposition goalkeeper had the ball, would delay the play, and was allowed to delay the play because Sulemana and Onucahu were standing still, watching. It was infuriating. Time to move forward. 1
Holmes_and_Watson Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago 17 minutes ago, Saint_clark said: Careful what you wish for. 2nd half of last season those two were the only attacking players that caused anyone any problems. We've got a front line of BBD, Archer and Armstrong to look forward to at the moment. Although that was partly as Armstrong and BBD were away on loan, so couldn't have caused anyone problems for us in the 2nd half of last season. Not that they'd have caused many problems if they were here, so you're right enough. 🙂 1
coalman Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago 21 minutes ago, Saint_clark said: Careful what you wish for. 2nd half of last season those two were the only attacking players that caused anyone any problems. We've got a front line of BBD, Archer and Armstrong to look forward to at the moment. "Look forward to" is doing a lot of work in that sentence. 1 1
BARCELONASAINT Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago 17 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Do we not even go for a drink first? I was going to say "there's no mincing about theses days"
Holmes_and_Watson Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago 25 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: Fuck me 15 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: Sulemana for 18m is enough to get me wet... Meanwhile the local vet remains baffled at why the farm animals are terrified during transfer windows. 🙂 8
suewhistle Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 21 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: It wasn't aimed at you... Sulemana for 18m is enough to get me wet... Pissing yourself laughing? 1
suewhistle Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 33 minutes ago, Saint_clark said: We've got a front line of BBD, Archer and Armstrong to look forward to at the moment. It's funny, but that phrase normally has positive connotations like "I'm looking forward to my holiday".. Needs a re-write, I feel.
goodymatt Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 19 minutes ago, Chez said: Went over this at the time - he did provide end product, it's just that some fans don't really understand what that means. Personally I am disappointed to see him go. Edozie and Fraser are not as good. 24/25: 26 apps - 1G 1A 23/24: 25 apps - 0G 3A (Championship!) All games for Saints: 74 apps - 4G 7A For a £22m record signing, I wouldn’t say that is enough end product. Perhaps you can educate me what it means? Of his 4 goals, 2 of them were in that dead rubber end of season game vs Liverpool. In that United game he missed some good chances and picked the wrong pass, despite destroying Yoro. 2
Sparkkyy Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 48 minutes ago, skintsaint said: Add to ‘Things that are Racist’ thread 2
Saint_clark Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 13 minutes ago, goodymatt said: 24/25: 26 apps - 1G 1A 23/24: 25 apps - 0G 3A (Championship!) All games for Saints: 74 apps - 4G 7A For a £22m record signing, I wouldn’t say that is enough end product. Perhaps you can educate me what it means? Of his 4 goals, 2 of them were in that dead rubber end of season game vs Liverpool. In that United game he missed some good chances and picked the wrong pass, despite destroying Yoro. Listing appearances like that doesn't tell the whole story does it. His championship season for example, it's 25 appearances but only 10 starts and a total time on the pitch of 945 minutes - so 10 and a half games worth of time on the pitch across an entire 46 game season. Granted he didn't get a goal, but playing under Martin his role wasn't to get in the box and get a shot away it was to recycle possession endlessly. Taking his assist ratio and putting it across the whole season and suddenly he's looking at 15+ assists. In a Still team that switches it up from passing to direct counter attack football, a speed merchant with close ball control like Sulemana would thrive in my opinion. But I guess with Edozie coming back who can fill that role, they've identified Sulemana as a good source of funds to help improve other areas of the team.
Turkish Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago Just now, Saint_clark said: Listing appearances like that doesn't tell the whole story does it. His championship season for example, it's 25 appearances but only 10 starts and a total time on the pitch of 945 minutes - so 10 and a half games worth of time on the pitch across an entire 46 game season. Granted he didn't get a goal, but playing under Martin his role wasn't to get in the box and get a shot away it was to recycle possession endlessly. Taking his assist ratio and putting it across the whole season and suddenly he's looking at 15+ assists. In a Still team that switches it up from passing to direct counter attack football, a speed merchant with close ball control like Sulemana would thrive in my opinion. But I guess with Edozie coming back who can fill that role, they've identified Sulemana as a good source of funds to help improve other areas of the team. This is going down the Carrillo is a goal every other game striker logic 🤦😂 2
Saint_clark Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 1 minute ago, Turkish said: This is going down the Carrillo is a goal every other game striker logic 🤦😂 Never agreed with that assessment of him as he'd been given the chance of solid consistent playing time and was 27 when we signed him. With Sulemana, you can't ignore that his time on the pitch doesn't equate to what "25 appearances" implies.
goodymatt Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 1 minute ago, Saint_clark said: Listing appearances like that doesn't tell the whole story does it. His championship season for example, it's 25 appearances but only 10 starts and a total time on the pitch of 945 minutes - so 10 and a half games worth of time on the pitch across an entire 46 game season. Granted he didn't get a goal, but playing under Martin his role wasn't to get in the box and get a shot away it was to recycle possession endlessly. Taking his assist ratio and putting it across the whole season and suddenly he's looking at 15+ assists. In a Still team that switches it up from passing to direct counter attack football, a speed merchant with close ball control like Sulemana would thrive in my opinion. But I guess with Edozie coming back who can fill that role, they've identified Sulemana as a good source of funds to help improve other areas of the team. Works both ways when referring to a small sample size. I do agree that his strengths are better suited to a Still style over Martin but I’m not convinced he would choose the right final action. For the fee paid, he was raw, not always fit and available and his output wasn’t good enough. Edozies output is slightly better: 63 games - 6G 3A. and he was €8m not €25m. 1
Turkish Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago Just now, Saint_clark said: Never agreed with that assessment of him as he'd been given the chance of solid consistent playing time and was 27 when we signed him. With Sulemana, you can't ignore that his time on the pitch doesn't equate to what "25 appearances" implies. Maybe there is a reason why he didn’t play much? he’s been here two and half years played under 5 different managers and I can remember him having two good games, one of them was an end of season dead rubber. He’s been a complete waste of money and prattle on about styles of play all you like even in the championship he did nothing to suggest he was going to be even a decent level player at that level he might go on to be brilliant at Atlanta but that means jack shit, he was shit for us and 4 out of 5 managers seemed to think that too, however much you might want to try and pretend he’s really a 15 a season assist kinda guy. 8
Dusic Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago Edozie is a different type of player to Sulemana, not especially quick but lovely balance and very fluid running with the ball. Felt he was playing really well in the Championship until he got his ankle smashed at Norwich (I think) and didnt really come back the same. Still think there is potentially a very decent player there and undoubtedly excellent one vs one. Hope he comes back focused and has a good pre season, could be a key player in the area of the pitch we look lightest. 14
CB Fry Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago (edited) 9 minutes ago, Turkish said: This is going down the Carrillo is a goal every other game striker logic 🤦😂 😂 If he was such a fantastic assist machine why didn't he play all the matches? Should have been first name of the teamsheet every week but weirdly, he wasn't. Maybe he was shit after all. Edited 15 hours ago by CB Fry 3
goodymatt Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago Pretty sure we went for Sulemana over Semenyo, we were linked to both heavily that window. Although Bournemouth were reportedly ahead of us for Jackson so maybe we were outbid on wages? Either way, we backed the wrong horse! 2
Miltonaggro Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago Fair play to agent Juric, this has done us a massive favour at that price. One of the most brainless ‘flair’ players I’ve ever seen at Saints. Nine times out of ten he found space or got the the byline there would be a visible cognitive malfunction followed by fuck all. The football equivalent of a cheap indoor firework. Puts a sizeable early chunk into the Will Still resuscitation kitty. 4
hypochondriac Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago Maybe Sulemana will come good and be brilliant. Doesn't change the fact that he's been pretty underwhelming for us so far and that amount of money is massive for someone who has failed so far. Pretty much impossible to turn that down even if he does suddenly get good more consistently. 4
Appy Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago 1 hour ago, Dusic said: Edozie is a different type of player to Sulemana, not especially quick but lovely balance and very fluid running with the ball. Felt he was playing really well in the Championship until he got his ankle smashed at Norwich (I think) and didnt really come back the same. Still think there is potentially a very decent player there and undoubtedly excellent one vs one. Hope he comes back focused and has a good pre season, could be a key player in the area of the pitch we look lightest. Agreed, he was on great form until that awful tackle by Jack Stacey. 3
HKsaint Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago I think it is crazy to sell the fastest and the tallest players in the league. 1
sockeye Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago After two and a half years playing for us you have to start looking at how he has performed rather than how he could perform. I think selling Sulemana for that price is a good move. If he comes good for Atalanta and tears it up in Serie A, good for him - just as well he won't be in the same league as us. 8
Badger Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 10 hours ago, woodsaint1 said: If Rasmus is in charge of sales, then credit where credit is due for selling those two for that combined amount. Bazunu, Bednarek, Sugawara, Fraser, BBD and Armstrong next please Yes, give him some credit for bringing in a good amount on selling them. But let’s not lose sight of the fact that he was the prick to claimed to have overseen the transfer window bringing them here for an inflated fee in the first place. Somehow I doubt they even imagined selling Sulemana at a loss. 2
Midfield_General Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 9 hours ago, Turkish said: Maybe there is a reason why he didn’t play much? he’s been here two and half years played under 5 different managers and I can remember him having two good games, one of them was an end of season dead rubber. He’s been a complete waste of money and prattle on about styles of play all you like even in the championship he did nothing to suggest he was going to be even a decent level player at that level he might go on to be brilliant at Atlanta but that means jack shit, he was shit for us and 4 out of 5 managers seemed to think that too, however much you might want to try and pretend he’s really a 15 a season assist kinda guy. Yep. £18m+ for someone who consistently failed to make any meaningful impact at Championship level is unbelievable business. Snap their hand off and let the rebuild begin. 6
Weston Super Saint Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 10 hours ago, Wade Garrett said: Gutted we’ve lost Sulemana. Who are we going to replace r him with. Not sure there are many players with as much no end-product as him. And Tall Paul. Who else are we going to sign that gets puffed out sprinting 3 yards and moves with all the grace of a baby giraffe. Edozie? 1
ally_uk Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago Didn't rate Onuachu or Sulemana Good but of business to shift both. Bella Kotchap next please! 4
Badger Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 2 minutes ago, ally_uk said: Didn't rate Onuachu or Sulemana Good but of business to shift both. Bella Kotchap next please! And for a perfect happy ending , Bazunu as well. 3
goodymatt Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago Getting circa £25m in combined for Sulemana and Onuachu, it’s a loss on fees, profit on PSR and hopefully with SAA (£8.5m) and the academy player (£1m) off to United, that money helps reduce pressure to sell some of the players we would like to keep. I’m not sure we will lose all of THB, Dibling and Fernandes, perhaps 1 stays? Assuming we sell Ramsdale for £20m, that’s £54.5m without selling the two prize jewels.
Gloucester Saint Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago Just now, goodymatt said: Getting circa £25m in combined for Sulemana and Onuachu, it’s a loss on fees, profit on PSR and hopefully with SAA (£8.5m) and the academy player (£1m) off to United, that money helps reduce pressure to sell some of the players we would like to keep. I’m not sure we will lose all of THB, Dibling and Fernandes, perhaps 1 stays? Assuming we sell Ramsdale for £20m, that’s £54.5m without selling the two prize jewels. Judging by his recent comments, I’d say that’s THB as was praising Still and looking forward to next season. A return to Burnley wasn't lighting his fire I guess. 1
goodymatt Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said: Judging by his recent comments, I’d say that’s THB as was praising Still and looking forward to next season. A return to Burnley wasn't lighting his fire I guess. I’d agree he’s most likely to stay, £20m is a high fee given how he performed last season. He’s a top CB in the champ though, could make it 3 promotions in 3 consecutive seasons if we go back up. Fernandes is the superstar and that’s why he won’t stay, sadly. 1
Saint86 Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 8 hours ago, HKsaint said: I think it is crazy to sell the fastest and the tallest players in the league. You'd rather sell the likes of Ramsdale/Fernandes/Dibling? If selling the fluff around the edges means we can keep one of them, then i have zero issues. 6
revolution saint Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago I'm not sure Dibling goes either. We seem to holding out for top dollar on him and not sure there's many clubs that could afford to pay it and justify it right now. Of the ones we expect to go, he looks like he could be the least suited to a high energy style but if he can adjust to it then he could be a huge player for us.
austsaint Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 7 minutes ago, goodymatt said: I’d agree he’s most likely to stay, £20m is a high fee given how he performed last season. He’s a top CB in the champ though, could make it 3 promotions in 3 consecutive seasons if we go back up. Fernandes is the superstar and that’s why he won’t stay, sadly. Good news if Harwood-Bellis stays; still have a faint hope of MF staying - thinking of a reprise of the Morgan Schneiderlin situation where he gave us that extra season. Fernandes is far too good to play Championship; but maybe he will. 2
Miltonaggro Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 18 minutes ago, Saint86 said: You'd rather sell the likes of Ramsdale/Fernandes/Dibling? If selling the fluff around the edges means we can keep one of them, then i have zero issues. 100% this, and I think it might be the June/July strategy. 1
Saint Fan CaM Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago Sulemana and Onuachu are a good start. Now let’s hope the next two are ABK and Manning. 1
Gloucester Saint Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 1 minute ago, Miltonaggro said: Another good result in terms of repairing the damage of past folly. Fair play to Spors. Hope he keeps going through this mediocre squad like bespectacled German hornet. Yep, and Bazunu, ABK and Smallbone next please, none of those will suit Still and only Smallbone has any kind of decent record at the club, but only in a central three. 2
Saint NL Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago Remember when a sale was announced and everyone lost their shit? These days player sales are celebrated. Get rid of all the deadwood 🔥🔥🔥 1
Fabrice29 Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago (edited) 10 hours ago, Saint_clark said: Listing appearances like that doesn't tell the whole story does it. His championship season for example, it's 25 appearances but only 10 starts and a total time on the pitch of 945 minutes - so 10 and a half games worth of time on the pitch across an entire 46 game season. Granted he didn't get a goal, but playing under Martin his role wasn't to get in the box and get a shot away it was to recycle possession endlessly. Taking his assist ratio and putting it across the whole season and suddenly he's looking at 15+ assists. In a Still team that switches it up from passing to direct counter attack football, a speed merchant with close ball control like Sulemana would thrive in my opinion. But I guess with Edozie coming back who can fill that role, they've identified Sulemana as a good source of funds to help improve other areas of the team. On 18/06/2025 at 17:17, Fabrice29 said: This is the record for some of our players in the Championship last time. I know which one I am not sort of keen to see again personally. Only one of them seems to regularly get bought up as some sort of untapped potential on here though. Probably worth looking at the stats of all the players whose role in the team was to not get a shot away and recycle possession only. Edited 4 hours ago by Fabrice29
hypochondriac Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago I know it's incredibly unlikely but just imagine if we lined up with New GK New RB THB Edwards Wellington Charles Downes Dibling Fernandes Edozie Stewart/New Striker We can dream. 9
Turkish Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago Just now, hypochondriac said: I know it's incredibly unlikely but just imagine if we lined up with New GK New RB THB Edwards Wellington Charles Downes Dibling Fernandes Edozie Stewart/New Striker We can dream. lets cook!! 1 2
Saint Fan CaM Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 8 minutes ago, Saint NL said: Remember when a sale was announced and everyone lost their shit? These days player sales are celebrated. Get rid of all the deadwood 🔥🔥🔥 Those were the days when we cared about some of the players. Now…not so much.
Holmes_and_Watson Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 7 minutes ago, Saint NL said: Remember when a sale was announced and everyone lost their shit? These days player sales are celebrated. Get rid of all the deadwood 🔥🔥🔥 Oh, the deadwood stage is a rollin' out of the ground Fillin' our budget with lots and lots of pounds Beautiful sky! A wonderful day! Let's hope next time, we don't throw it away. -From SR, the musical 2
Farmer Saint Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 18 minutes ago, Saint NL said: Remember when a sale was announced and everyone lost their shit? These days player sales are celebrated. Get rid of all the deadwood 🔥🔥🔥 Agreed - I feel I'm going to enjoy this Summer.
AlexLaw76 Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago (edited) Could do with Ramsdale going soonest, and Bedbarek (assuming he is off also) That would be £25-30m more in transfers, plus significant wages off the books Edited 4 hours ago by AlexLaw76 2
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