Will Still

[Lee On Solent Saint]

20 minutes ago, Saint NL said:

Finally a bit of leadership from a player....

 

"Ship loads more out" doesn't sound good

Its needed. We have a squad of weak players with absolutely no leaders on the pitch. 

[The Kraken]

16 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Its needed. We have a squad of weak players with absolutely no leaders on the pitch. 

Or off it.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

2 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

The issue is that no manager in the world can make armstrong, archer score their 1 on 1's or fix Ross Stewart.

Downs was signed by Spors to try and support this but is too raw and needs time and the unlying issue at Forward/Goalkeeper is on Spors and therefore SR who gave him the budget.

He obvs thought in some area's we had bigger issues and had "enough" to get through the championship.

Wouldnt be a surprise if in not moving out aribo/edozie (who had about 3 clubs trying to buy him) also cost us our ability to bring in another forward etc, hopefully in Jan that is addressed.

 

 

Although Aribo played a number of games for Rangers in just that position. In European games too.

Perhaps instead of freezing him out, SR and Still could have actually dipped into the massive squad they complain about and found a stop gap solution there.

Aribo has also played in a number of the other positions we prefer to pick, then abandon for taxied kids, ill players for.

Unforgivable shambles.

 

Edited Monday at 20:44 by Holmes_and_Watson
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[Cuddles]

Squad seems pretty broken right now.

[trousers]

35 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Although Aribo played a number of games for Rangers in just that position. In European games too.

Perhaps instead of freezing him out, SR and Still could have actually dipped into the massive squad they complain about and found a stop gap solution there.

Aribo has also played in a number of the other positions we prefer to pick, then abandon for taxied kids, ill players for.

Unforgivable shambles.

 

Yep.... Pretty sure we started off playing Aribo as a forward when we first signed him too. 

[Badger]

5 minutes ago, trousers said:

Yep.... Pretty sure we started off playing Aribo as a forward when we first signed him too. 

Bizarre the way he and Edozie have remained at the club, possibly against their wishes, and have been frozen out. 
 

Edozie does have more competition but you’d have thought he may have had a place on the bench from time to time. Aribo, surely in contention. 

Edited Monday at 21:25 by Badger

[beatlesaint]

33 minutes ago, Cuddles said:

Squad seems pretty broken right now.

Can’t be, one reason Stephens got his new shiny contract was his leadership skills on and off the pitch. Surely he’s pulled the squad together and built up a strong one for all, all for one attitude.

🤦🏻

[BarberSaint]

2 hours ago, Saint NL said:

Finally a bit of leadership from a player....

 

"Ship loads more out" doesn't sound good

Well it does if we get rid of the dross, of which we still have rather a lot. It would sound good if we didn't know they'd given Stephens an extension; that kind of blows the rhetoric out of the water.

[Saint NL]

Brendan Rogers is available now 😂

 

Quite the damning statement from the board, they must have hated him:

https://www.celticfc.com/news/2025/october/27/statement-from-dermot-desmond-to-celtic-supporters/

 

[Mboto Gorge]

5 minutes ago, Saint NL said:

Brendan Rogers is available now 😂

 

Quite the damning statement from the board, they must have hated him:

https://www.celticfc.com/news/2025/october/27/statement-from-dermot-desmond-to-celtic-supporters/

 

We’d probably end up appointing Buck Rogers

[Willo of Whiteley]

9 minutes ago, Saint NL said:

Brendan Rogers is available now 😂

 

Quite the damning statement from the board, they must have hated him:

https://www.celticfc.com/news/2025/october/27/statement-from-dermot-desmond-to-celtic-supporters/

 

Wow! That’s one hell of a statement!

[Badger]

10 minutes ago, Saint NL said:

Brendan Rogers is available now 😂

 

Quite the damning statement from the board, they must have hated him:

https://www.celticfc.com/news/2025/october/27/statement-from-dermot-desmond-to-celtic-supporters/

 

Yes it is pretty bitter isn’t it ?

Could have condensed it: Brendan Rodgers has resigned. We’d like to place on record our thanks for his successes here. But all in all we think he’s a bit of a cunt 

[OneMrsWallace]

3 hours ago, Saint NL said:

Finally a bit of leadership from a player....

 

"Ship loads more out" doesn't sound good

Jesus, the club is an absolute cluster fuck basket case. They had the chance to sort it this out in the summer. I have zero confidence SR can improve things. They couldn't sort out a load of odd socks. 

[Breeny]

WS inherited a complete shit show of players . He probably had no idea how toxic it all was . Unfortunately the situation hasn’t improved much at all . A few of them don’t want to be at the club and don’t care less either . It will be the same situation for a new manager . We need to finish the complete overhaul of the playing staff in order to move on .

[Saint Fan CaM]

47 minutes ago, OneMrsWallace said:

Jesus, the club is an absolute cluster fuck basket case. They had the chance to sort it this out in the summer. I have zero confidence SR can improve things. They couldn't sort out a load of odd socks. 

The trouble is they didn’t get the opportunity to finish the job. Edozie and Aribo not getting sold is indicative of a wider clear out that was needed - we knew full well that Spors had a massive job to do in the summer to eradicate the rusty scars and allow Still a chance to re-build. Unfortunately the longer a recovery took to be evident, the less chance a recovery actually was - we’re in a seeming spiralling doom cycle. There are some positive signs such as Scienza’s performances, but it’s not nearly enough.

The appointment of Still was, in hindsight, a risk too far…not because he’s a bad Manager, but because he’s just not good enough to combat and arrest the severe decline we’re witnessing. A decline that started in its infancy from the time SR took control. A Still replacement will need to be experienced in the top two English leagues, a tactically superb coach and man-manager - who fits that criteria and realistically wants to commit to the poisoned chalice that is Saints right now? There can’t be too many, even if SR have the £’s and bollox to make a change (which they don’t). The indications are that Still could very well take us down into L1 - that’s the sickening reality of where we are.

Edited Monday at 23:58 by Saint Fan CaM

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, Mboto Gorge said:

We’d probably end up appointing Buck Rogers

Awakening in the 25th century, Buck finds himself manager of a SR owned Saints side relegated so far, that they are beaten by local children on the piece of scrap land they call home. 

Can he return them to their glory years?

No. See the bit about SR still being in charge.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

4 hours ago, Saint NL said:

Finally a bit of leadership from a player....

 

"Ship loads more out" doesn't sound good

If they wanted even more out, just how bad has SR's recruitment been?

They knew not far into last season where we would be playing this season. Just how bad has their planning been?

Knowing the vast numbers of players they wanted rid of, surely all of their new picks would be ones they felt would rectify it? Little evidence of that.

 

[Dry Toast]

Sport Republics recruitment has been a scatter gun shit show and now they are finding out that, seemingly, a lot of them want out. What a surprise! Utter clowns in that department at the moment and not likely to change. Total amateurs that are going to reap what they sow. We the fans pay the price for pricks from outside the football sphere trying to be clever.

[The Wyvern]

Which players are the problem then? Which old players are consistently an issue? THB? Archer? 
 

Armstrong always puts a shift in. Stephens wouldn’t have got the contract extension if he had attitude problem. Have heard good a few positive bits about Manning. I’d expect Downes but he’s not even been involved much this past month or so. 

[Doctoroncall]

7 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

If they wanted even more out, just how bad has SR's recruitment been?

They knew not far into last season where we would be playing this season. Just how bad has their planning been?

Knowing the vast numbers of players they wanted rid of, surely all of their new picks would be ones they felt would rectify it? Little evidence of that.

 

If it’s that bad, why don’t I see the new lads plus some u21 players bar the essentials (goalie).  This is certainly on the management team. 
 

Will Still is a decent manager but this situation is beyond him to fix especially if it’s attitude and player/club issue. 
 

Would be interesting to know which players are having problems, Downes and THB most likely? What about Edozie and Aribo?

Too big a squad to deal with as well. 
 

 

[Sheaf Saint]

9 hours ago, OneMrsWallace said:

Jesus, the club is an absolute cluster fuck basket case. They had the chance to sort it this out in the summer. I have zero confidence SR can improve things. They couldn't sort out a load of odd socks. 

While I'm loth to defend SR too much, given the absolute catastrofuck they have presided over, some credit does have to be given for what they did achieve with their outgoings this summer. But despite what deals they did manage to do, we are unfortunately still left with plenty of bad apples because a) we simply had too may to begin with, and b) we can't just give them away or cancel their contracts if we can't find a buyer willing to get close enough to our valuation.

[Turkish]

Even in our championship relegation season 2008/09 when we eventually ended up in administration, we're playing a team of kids and free transfers we had won more games by this point in the season. These days we have a bench with 60m worth of players on it.

[Miltonaggro]

I think Will Still is a dead man walking, and the club are likely currently interviewing to appoint a new man after the weekend.  But when the trigger is pulled, assuming Spors stays in role, we need a whole new backroom staff for the first team to come in with the new broom - Lallana, Martin, Trollope all need to go.  If the rumours of senior players undermining Still and Juric are true the new manager ideally needs to be and ex player with a solid career, who can bring in coaches of a similar character. For example, Carrick's right hand man at 'Boro was Woodgate, Carsley had Lescott with the England U21s, Gerrard had McAllister at Villa.  I hope the underachieving prima donnas get levelled, and the players who actually want to play for Southampton have some inspiration and aspiration in the new gaffer.   

[mikee]

I see several posts saying that Will Still is not a bad manager but I cannot think of a single thing he has done that demonstrates he is competent enough to achieve what Saints want to achieve!

Nothing, Nada, Zip!

[AlexLaw76]

16 minutes ago, mikee said:

I see several posts saying that Will Still is not a bad manager but I cannot think of a single thing he has done that demonstrates he is competent enough to achieve what Saints want to achieve!

Nothing, Nada, Zip!

I agree. There has been very little, almost nothing, that can be evidenced that Still is a good fit for us.

Let’s be honest, he has been awful

[Themotherfunky]

Is it actually all down to him though? Mads was saying that players aren't doing what they're asked to do, needing to look each other in the eye and be honest. If the players aren't helping the manager in doing what they're being instructed on, is that on him? 

 They didn't play for Martin towards the end, didn't play for Juric at all. (Rumours of players undermining him, and apparently the same with Still now)

It can't just be managers being shit and soley the ones at fault. I personally think we potentially have too many bad apples as 'senior' players at the club, and it rubs off on the rest. Still's fighting a losing battle, as was Juric. 

[saint michael]

I think part of the problem the team continually convince themselves and each other that they have been unlucky and they are really good because they believe they have been in control of games then surprisingly lost. They then go on to believe that the future will be different by doing the same as they did last game. 
 

the manager reinforces this by talking about individual errors and that it’s been good for most of the games. 
 

the fundamentals of playing football are still not there. Ploddy passing little natural forward movement, facing back to goal when receiving, too long on the ball and too many touches, safe keep the ball stuff etc. I think we are not close at all and are once again in the self congratulatory shit. 

[AlexLaw76]

3 minutes ago, Themotherfunky said:

Is it actually all down to him though? Mads was saying that players aren't doing what they're asked to do, needing to look each other in the eye and be honest. If the players aren't helping the manager in doing what they're being instructed on, is that on him? 

 They didn't play for Martin towards the end, didn't play for Juric at all. (Rumours of players undermining him, and apparently the same with Still now)

It can't just be managers being shit and soley the ones at fault. I personally think we potentially have too many bad apples as 'senior' players at the club, and it rubs off on the rest. Still's fighting a losing battle, as was Juric. 

So all the new players have a bad attitude also?

come on

[CB Fry]

39 minutes ago, mikee said:

I see several posts saying that Will Still is not a bad manager but I cannot think of a single thing he has done that demonstrates he is competent enough to achieve what Saints want to achieve!

Nothing, Nada, Zip!

We are down to the only people saying "give him time, he's building something etc etc etc etc" are the same usual people who would be saying people who would be saying that whoever our manager is. Whoever it is never ever ever sack them.

It's always funny to watch those people merrily kick shit out of alternatives - Carrick is rubbish, Robins is rubbish, Gary O Neil is rubbish etc etc. If any of those people were our manager they'd be saying how great they are and how they need time and etc etc etc. They'd be defending their recruitment to the death.

 

"They will be brilliant in time purely because they happen to be Southampton manager today" is not that great an opinion in my view.

Edited 23 hours ago by CB Fry

[Miltonaggro]

4 minutes ago, saint michael said:

I think part of the problem the team continually convince themselves and each other that they have been unlucky and they are really good because they believe they have been in control of games then surprisingly lost. They then go on to believe that the future will be different by doing the same as they did last game. 
 

the manager reinforces this by talking about individual errors and that it’s been good for most of the games. 
 

the fundamentals of playing football are still not there. Ploddy passing little natural forward movement, facing back to goal when receiving, too long on the ball and too many touches, safe keep the ball stuff etc. I think we are not close at all and are once again in the self congratulatory shit. 

Agree, and compounded by Still not having the gravitas to challenge the fuckers.  I did wonder if in Belgium / France the fact that he was perceived as a young Englishman (who could speak French) actually helped him in terms of rarity value.  Our second rate superstars were never likely to give him that leeway. 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

So all the new players have a bad attitude also?

come on

Squad is way too big to be effectively managed. Can imagine that there are a few cliques in the dressing room. We don't have a leader or strong captain who can pull the squad together. 

[RedWillie]

Put the under achieving wasters on 'pay per win' and see how that changes things. The fact you can turn up to a job, do it so badly week in and week out for astronomical sums of money is , quite frankly, laughable.

Edited 22 hours ago by RedWillie
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[Dman]

52 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

I think Will Still is a dead man walking, and the club are likely currently interviewing to appoint a new man after the weekend.  But when the trigger is pulled, assuming Spors stays in role, we need a whole new backroom staff for the first team to come in with the new broom - Lallana, Martin, Trollope all need to go.  If the rumours of senior players undermining Still and Juric are true the new manager ideally needs to be and ex player with a solid career, who can bring in coaches of a similar character. For example, Carrick's right hand man at 'Boro was Woodgate, Carsley had Lescott with the England U21s, Gerrard had McAllister at Villa.  I hope the underachieving prima donnas get levelled, and the players who actually want to play for Southampton have some inspiration and aspiration in the new gaffer.   

I've aboslutely no idea if he has any interest in coaching, nor if he'll be any good, but I think someone bringing in Jose Fonte as either assistant or some form of coaching capacity would be a master stroke. 

Knows & loves the club, he is a winner who's played at the highest level, and probably the last genunine leader we had at the club. 

[AlexLaw76]

11 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Squad is way too big to be effectively managed. Can imagine that there are a few cliques in the dressing room. We don't have a leader or strong captain who can pull the squad together. 

You mean it is too big for a novice like Will Still to manage

seasoned managers would kill for a squad he has at his disposal 

[Themotherfunky]

9 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

So all the new players have a bad attitude also?

come on

I didn't say the new players had bad attitudes. 

It's been claimed on the whole, the squad are a quiet lot. We've brought in a fair amount of younger players that haven't necessarily developed a voice yet. There's a good chance they're hearing negativity from the more vocal senior players, and it's permeating through the squad. 

As others have said, we don't have any leaders. Players that have been Captain, and at the club the longest (Stephens, Armstrong, McCarthy) I can't see being the ones to command respect, dish out bollockings and show leadership when needed. 

[ally_uk]

If players are throwing toys out the pram fuck them off to the reserves...... 

What's with our soft as shit mentality.... 

Get a few of our youth players to replace the bad apples 🍎 

[sockeye]

I suspect the bad apples poisoning the changing room are the ones SR loves and extends the contracts of

 

Just a hunch

[Pedantic Pete]

People keep saying we have a quality squad etc etc but I am not sure where this confidence comes from? Perhaps reality is we have just have a poor quality squad? Bloated with a lack of players who can dominate or even turn a game.

Therefore a manager like Still who wants to let players express themselves would have no chance. 

If we had an organiser like Dyche, Fat Sam etc (not suggesting those)..they probably would get better results but I don’t see much in our squad which suggests- should the unthinkable happen and they went up to the premier league- anything other than they would be challenging the record lowest points again. 

[Miltonaggro]

57 minutes ago, Dman said:

I've aboslutely no idea if he has any interest in coaching, nor if he'll be any good, but I think someone bringing in Jose Fonte as either assistant or some form of coaching capacity would be a master stroke. 

Knows & loves the club, he is a winner who's played at the highest level, and probably the last genunine leader we had at the club. 

Yes, I thought of both Fonte and Romeu joining the first team coaching staff.  No better role models, and neither would be shy in terms of grounding gobshites at our club.  Problem would be our detached owners making the link / move.   

[EBS1980]

Do you think we can read anything into the lack of posts on Twitter by the club? Nothing since confirming FT on Saturday - very odd to have no post match interviews, video of goal, general posts, they never go almost 3 day without posting 

[AlexLaw76]

21 minutes ago, Pedantic Pete said:

People keep saying we have a quality squad etc etc but I am not sure where this confidence comes from? Perhaps reality is we have just have a poor quality squad? Bloated with a lack of players who can dominate or even turn a game.

Therefore a manager like Still who wants to let players express themselves would have no chance. 

If we had an organiser like Dyche, Fat Sam etc (not suggesting those)..they probably would get better results but I don’t see much in our squad which suggests- should the unthinkable happen and they went up to the premier league- anything other than they would be challenging the record lowest points again. 

The keepers, THB, Stephens, Downes, Arma, Aribo, Manning and Edozie either starred or had a supporting role in promotion the other year.

Edwards and Charles starred for other clubs last season in the very league.

Fellows and Azaz were the best, or close to it, in their positions in this league last season. They were tried, tested, top level Champ players.

Bree, out on loan is playing like peak Cafu at the moment but not good enough for us.

Scienza is clearly class, Jander looks solid, Wellington is alright, Mads alright.

Quarshie meh, Downs appalling, Archer shite but does have a bit of success in this league.

Obviously the squad is not perfect, but fucking hell it is better than most in the league and a darn sight better than 20th.

either way about 20 other managers would kill for this group of players, and the reason are horrific is largely on the ability of a terrible manager.

 

Edited 21 hours ago by AlexLaw76

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, Themotherfunky said:

Mads was saying that players aren't doing what they're asked to do, needing to look each other in the eye and be honest. If the players aren't helping the manager in doing what they're being instructed on, is that on him? 

Course it’s on him. It’s his job to make them do what they’re asked to do. Some do it with the hair dryer, some do it with their charisma, others with their wisdom & experience. Some a mixture of all 3. Same in any walk of life, you take people with you voluntarily, or you force them, but it’s your fucking job. Manger, managing people to do what they’re fucking told…

Edited 21 hours ago by Lord Duckhunter

[Osvaldorama]

51 minutes ago, EBS1980 said:

Do you think we can read anything into the lack of posts on Twitter by the club? Nothing since confirming FT on Saturday - very odd to have no post match interviews, video of goal, general posts, they never go almost 3 day without posting 

Sports Republic tried to sack Will Still, but even fucked that up and sacked the media team by accident 

[Toussaint]

19 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Course it’s on him. It’s his job to make them do what they’re asked to do. Some do it with the hair dryer, some do it with their charisma, others with their wisdom & experience. Some a mixture of all 3. Same in any walk of life, you take people with you voluntarily, or you force them, but it’s your fucking job. Manger, managing people to do what they’re fucking told…

I doubt he does hair dryers, he has no charisma, he doesn’t have any notable playing experience and isn’t mature enough to have developed any wisdom. I do agree they are the basic requirements, which makes him a baffling choice. He was always going to struggle. 
 

i think, in whatever industry or business you find yourself in, taking orders from someone who has never done what you have done as well as being very young is always going to make relationships very difficult. 

[Pedantic Pete]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

The keepers, THB, Stephens, Downes, Arma, Aribo, Manning and Edozie either starred or had a supporting role in promotion the other year.

Edwards and Charles starred for other clubs last season in the very league.

Fellows and Azaz were the best, or close to it, in their positions in this league last season. They were tried, tested, top level Champ players.

Bree, out on loan is playing like peak Cafu at the moment but not good enough for us.

Scienza is clearly class, Jander looks solid, Wellington is alright, Mads alright.

Quarshie meh, Downs appalling, Archer shite but does have a bit of success in this league.

Obviously the squad is not perfect, but fucking hell it is better than most in the league and a darn sight better than 20th.

either way about 20 other managers would kill for this group of players, and the reason are horrific is largely on the ability of a terrible manager.

 

And yet put them up for sale and who would want them? 
we sold our best players to West Ham and Everton.. mid to lower premier league…

we couldn’t push Aribo and Edozie out the door…

we effectively gave away some players sending them on loan in their last year of contract just to get rid..

the keepers? Hmm OK if being in a squad that got promoted is the qualifier for top tier then our measurement massively differs…personally I would say Keeper is a massive issue for the squad? 
I like Manning but I know many disagree…
Arma went on loan to this league last year and scored? 
Stephens? This place went nuts when he got a new contract.

Edward’s? Well it’s either he ain’t that great or the other four at the back are shit as we don’t keep clean sheets do we? I think only 4 teams have conceded more than us so far? that’s not bad luck. 

i think Azaz, Fellows, Charles and Scienza are probably the only four who are of any quality but sit in such a mediocre squad that they probably won’t perform to their best level. 

look at how the three teams who went up all already have achieved pretty much as many points as we got in the whole season last year… 

the squad is poor, even at this level it doesn’t have any individuals that I would say are the best in their position in the league.
More organisation would probably help but we lack pace, we lack creativity, we lack anyone who can hit the net,  we lack strength and we lack the ability to keep a clean sheet. 

 

[AlexLaw76]

12 minutes ago, Pedantic Pete said:

And yet put them up for sale and who would want them? 
we sold our best players to West Ham and Everton.. mid to lower premier league…

we couldn’t push Aribo and Edozie out the door…

we effectively gave away some players sending them on loan in their last year of contract just to get rid..

the keepers? Hmm OK if being in a squad that got promoted is the qualifier for top tier then our measurement massively differs…personally I would say Keeper is a massive issue for the squad? 
I like Manning but I know many disagree…
Arma went on loan to this league last year and scored? 
Stephens? This place went nuts when he got a new contract.

Edward’s? Well it’s either he ain’t that great or the other four at the back are shit as we don’t keep clean sheets do we? I think only 4 teams have conceded more than us so far? that’s not bad luck. 

i think Azaz, Fellows, Charles and Scienza are probably the only four who are of any quality but sit in such a mediocre squad that they probably won’t perform to their best level. 

look at how the three teams who went up all already have achieved pretty much as many points as we got in the whole season last year… 

the squad is poor, even at this level it doesn’t have any individuals that I would say are the best in their position in the league.
More organisation would probably help but we lack pace, we lack creativity, we lack anyone who can hit the net,  we lack strength and we lack the ability to keep a clean sheet. 

 

It clearly isn’t poor. It looks poor now as we have a manager who subs Scienza for Stephens, and plays Fellows now and then at Wing back. Mental

[Saint NL]

 

Just incase it wasn't completely obvious 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

3 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

You mean it is too big for a novice like Will Still to manage

seasoned managers would kill for a squad he has at his disposal 

Agree to a point. We still have a lot of shite that should have gone in the summer. Easier said than done I know.

[CB Fry]

1 hour ago, Pedantic Pete said:

the squad is poor, even at this level it doesn’t have any individuals that I would say are the best in their position in the league.

Literally Fellows and Azaz were bought because they were exactly that.

Adam Armstrong absolutely is up there on goals record at this level. 

Charles is. THB is and a fucking England full international FFS. Downes absolutely is.

Edwards player of the season on 6 months loan.

The other signings are good players, nearly all of them (Downs the exception).

And of course 100% proven in the Championship Aribo and Edozie.

Stop pretending we have some terrible squad.

We have one of the best squads in the league being managed by a fucking idiot.

[Toadhall Saint]

7 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Literally Fellows and Azaz were bought because they were exactly that.

Adam Armstrong absolutely is up there on goals record at this level. 

Charles is. THB is and a fucking England full international FFS. Downes absolutely is.

Edwards player of the season on 6 months loan.

The other signings are good players, nearly all of them (Downs the exception).

And of course 100% proven in the Championship Aribo and Edozie.

Stop pretending we have some terrible squad.

We have one of the best squads in the league being managed by a fucking idiot.

And the last sentence is the crux of the matter.