Will Still

[AlexLaw76]

9 hours ago, Football Special said:

Run up to next international break 

Swansea (H) 

Bristol City (A) 

Blackburn (A) 

Preston (H) 

QPR (A) 

Sheffield Wednesday (H) 

That would take us to 15 played , quite a tough run with just two of those teams below us currently,  think we'd need to see at least three wins out of those at a minimum 

Aren’t QPR (6th in the league) also managed by a newbie from Ligue 1?

Edited 14 hours ago by AlexLaw76

[CB Fry]

9 hours ago, Football Special said:

Run up to next international break 

Swansea (H) 

Bristol City (A) 

Blackburn (A) 

Preston (H) 

QPR (A) 

Sheffield Wednesday (H) 

That would take us to 15 played , quite a tough run with just two of those teams below us currently,  think we'd need to see at least three wins out of those at a minimum 

Sorry we cant start saying " quite a tough run because of these clubs are above us", that's absolutely pathetic and a cop out.

We have resources that all of those clubs would kill for.

We are supposed to be challenging for promotion (preferably automatic).

Your 3 wins would get us to 20 points from 15 games which would be miles off and wed be not much higher in the table than now.

After 15 matches last time we had 27 points, the top 2 36 and 39.

 

 

[Harry_SFC]

8 hours ago, MindtheGab said:

50:50 chance he manages our next game

I still think they will give him a while yet, at least until the November international break.

I wonder if Rohl now being available without the need for compensation would make this an easier decision for the club than maybe it would've been. 

Or if that ship has sailed then Carrick could be a good shout. Both managers seem to a favour a 4-2-3-1 formation that we've seemingly signed the players for. 

Would be nice to just appoint someone with decent experience at this level rather than trying to be too clever with things as normal. 

[benjii]

1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

Sorry we cant start saying " quite a tough run because of these clubs are above us", that's absolutely pathetic and a cop out.

We have resources that all of those clubs would kill for.

We are supposed to be challenging for promotion (preferably automatic).

Your 3 wins would get us to 20 points from 15 games which would be miles off and wed be not much higher in the table than now.

After 15 matches last time we had 27 points, the top 2 36 and 39.

 

 

Quite. 

With the embarrassment of riches at our disposal, less than 12 points from the next 6 will be pathetic.

[LGTL]

If we sack him it’ll be Lallana. I’m not sure what would be worse at the moment. 

[benjii]

1 minute ago, LGTL said:

If we sack him it’ll be Lallana. I’m not sure what would be worse at the moment. 

Christ, let's hope not.

[SaintNewForest]

There's no point in gunning for Still. No point at all. All Sport Republic will do is appont another shit manager and the cycle will continue. 

We have to start turning on the ownership. They're the clowns making these decisions. They're the clowns ruining our club. They're the clowns who have got us in this mess, and they're the clowns who show no signs of improvement. 

And yet, bar a few passing comments, they get no heat at all. Complete charlatans who have ruined this club

[IFHP]

1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

Sorry we cant start saying " quite a tough run because of these clubs are above us", that's absolutely pathetic and a cop out.

We have resources that all of those clubs would kill for.

We are supposed to be challenging for promotion (preferably automatic).

Your 3 wins would get us to 20 points from 15 games which would be miles off and wed be not much higher in the table than now.

After 15 matches last time we had 27 points, the top 2 36 and 39.

 

 

The aim at the start of the season may have been a promotion challenge, the realty under Still is we are a lower mid table side  and at 2 pm today will sit 17th in the championship.

After 11 games Automatic promotion has gone and a play off chasing chances are dwindling fast. 
 

Unless anything drastically changes we’d do well to get to 20 points from 15 games. 
 

I’m assuming that after spending £60 million the target for Still would have been promotion he’s failing fast and it’s going to be When he gets the sack not if. 

 

[Football Special]

2 hours ago, CB Fry said:

Sorry we cant start saying " quite a tough run because of these clubs are above us", that's absolutely pathetic and a cop out.

We have resources that all of those clubs would kill for.

We are supposed to be challenging for promotion (preferably automatic).

Your 3 wins would get us to 20 points from 15 games which would be miles off and wed be not much higher in the table than now.

After 15 matches last time we had 27 points, the top 2 36 and 39.

 

 

@CB Fry its all about context where discussion was about giving Will Still until next international break to see if he can turn it around, what would keep him in the job? 

What have you seen in the opening nine games that makes you think winning four of the next six is realistic? 

Stewart likely to be out. 

Who will score the goals? 

If we can learn to win games 1-0 we might be able to.  

Well organised championship sides who sit deep, counter, put crosses into the box is our kryptonite 

One of the games is Sheff Wed at home so you'd hope we could win that one. 

[Football Special]

1 hour ago, SaintNewForest said:

There's no point in gunning for Still. No point at all. All Sport Republic will do is appont another shit manager and the cycle will continue. 

We have to start turning on the ownership. They're the clowns making these decisions. They're the clowns ruining our club. They're the clowns who have got us in this mess, and they're the clowns who show no signs of improvement. 

And yet, bar a few passing comments, they get no heat at all. Complete charlatans who have ruined this club

This is it, but you'll still have people saying "but they've spent money" 

There's no strategy though , they manage to spend money and make us worse. 

[Suhari]

9 hours ago, benali-shorts said:

Surely we can blame Trollope by now? 

Nope.

It's all on Eric.

[saintant]

12 hours ago, Badger said:

Just read that Steve Bruce is now available. Again.

Wasn’t it Les Reed who was said to be impress by him ? 

Not with a 2 mile long barge pole!

[hypochondriac]

3 hours ago, CB Fry said:

Sorry we cant start saying " quite a tough run because of these clubs are above us", that's absolutely pathetic and a cop out.

We have resources that all of those clubs would kill for.

We are supposed to be challenging for promotion (preferably automatic).

Your 3 wins would get us to 20 points from 15 games which would be miles off and wed be not much higher in the table than now.

After 15 matches last time we had 27 points, the top 2 36 and 39.

 

 

Yep. Should be looking for five wins really which let's be honest isn't going to happen.

[saintant]

15 hours ago, sockeye said:

3 

Three games unbeaten

It's the start of the run to beat Russboy's record of 20 matches 🙂

[hypochondriac]

Worth pointing out -again - that a call for a decent striker with a history of success in English football is not something that has changed in hindsight. Many saints fans were calling for this as the key position all summer. Despite doing some decent business elsewhere, this is ultimately going to cost us and it's on the board for failing to address that.

[saintant]

10 hours ago, Turkish said:

We need to remember no manager can wave a magic wand and turn the 2nd worst team ever into world beaters over night. People will argue a lot of the players were here last year and that’s a valid point but that also means it’s a new team that takes time
 

there are question marks over Still for sure sometimes it does seem difficult to see what he’s doing but also there are only 5 teams in the division who have lost more games than us and 4 of them are the current top 4. 
 

its early days and whilst so far it’s underwhelming it’s not been terrible 

Think you meant less but it's a good point.

[Give it to Ron]

11 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Worth pointing out -again - that a call for a decent striker with a history of success in English football is not something that has changed in hindsight. Many saints fans were calling for this as the key position all summer. Despite doing some decent business elsewhere, this is ultimately going to cost us and it's on the board for failing to address that.

Exactly we bought the others but needed someone to get on the end of Fellows, Wee man and Scienza crosses.

We put so many crosses deep yesterday but no one was there ever!!

Edited 10 hours ago by Give it to Ron

[Turkish]

6 hours ago, CB Fry said:

Sorry we cant start saying " quite a tough run because of these clubs are above us", that's absolutely pathetic and a cop out.

We have resources that all of those clubs would kill for.

We are supposed to be challenging for promotion (preferably automatic).

Your 3 wins would get us to 20 points from 15 games which would be miles off and wed be not much higher in the table than now.

After 15 matches last time we had 27 points, the top 2 36 and 39.

 

 

We had players on our bench which cost £80m yesterday. £80m, that’s mental for this league. 

[Edmonton Saint]

Dismal home display against Portsmouth, dismal defeat at Hull. Should have beaten Boro, and then were rather fortuitous against Sheff Utd. Yesterday again was flat and uninspiring. I’ve seen nothing so far to show that Still is the man that can get us firing on all 4 cylinders and actually challenging at the top of the table.
 

Seems another completely brain dead and trying to be the cleverest guy in the room appointment by the clowns in charge.  

[CB Fry]

20 minutes ago, Turkish said:

We had players on our bench which cost £80m yesterday. £80m, that’s mental for this league. 

Every single element of that fact is absolutely insane. 

[Paul_B]

6 hours ago, CB Fry said:

Sorry we cant start saying " quite a tough run because of these clubs are above us", that's absolutely pathetic and a cop out.

We have resources that all of those clubs would kill for.

We are supposed to be challenging for promotion (preferably automatic).

Your 3 wins would get us to 20 points from 15 games which would be miles off and wed be not much higher in the table than now.

After 15 matches last time we had 27 points, the top 2 36 and 39.

 

 

I'm not sure if you've realised, to be fair quite a few still haven't, but we aren't getting promoted this season. It's been quite clear since a couplenof games in. And it still is despite our 'good' transfer window as we are a complete shambles.

As said above, can't believe more frustration isn't being aimed at the owners/board/jokers running the shitshow.

[CB Fry]

9 minutes ago, Paul_B said:

I'm not sure if you've realised, to be fair quite a few still haven't, but we aren't getting promoted this season. It's been quite clear since a couplenof games in. And it still is despite our 'good' transfer window as we are a complete shambles.

As said above, can't believe more frustration isn't being aimed at the owners/board/jokers running the shitshow.

Yes, fine. None of that means we need to start pretending that games against Bristol, Swansea and QPR are tough games because they are above us. Fuck that.

 

[Football Special]

30 minutes ago, Turkish said:

We had players on our bench which cost £80m yesterday. £80m, that’s mental for this league. 

That tells a story, what does it say about those players ? What does it say about the team who recruited them? 

Still have one of our highest paid players sat at home doing a jigsaw (Aribo) 

The wastage is mind blowing 

[Midfield_General]

6 hours ago, IFHP said:

The aim at the start of the season may have been a promotion challenge, the realty under Still is we are a lower mid table side  and at 2 pm today will sit 17th in the championship.

After 11 games Automatic promotion has gone and a play off chasing chances are dwindling fast. 
 

Unless anything drastically changes we’d do well to get to 20 points from 15 games. 
 

I’m assuming that after spending £60 million the target for Still would have been promotion he’s failing fast and it’s going to be When he gets the sack not if. 

 

Or an alternative way of looking at it is that with 37 matches and 111 points still to play for we're 4 points off the play-off places and 7 off the automatics. 

We've been massively disappointing so far and clearly a huge improvement is needed, but at this stage of the season and with the resources we've got available, to start writing us off completely is a bit premature. 

Whether Still is the man to find the right formula or not remains to be seen, and the striker situation which everyone could see coming is concerning, but I just don't believe that there isn't a team and system to be found in that squad that's capable of coming at least sixth in this division.

It does need finding though, and fast. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Midfield_General

[Wade Garrett]

55 minutes ago, Edmonton Saint said:

Dismal home display against Portsmouth, dismal defeat at Hull. Should have beaten Boro, and then were rather fortuitous against Sheff Utd. Yesterday again was flat and uninspiring. I’ve seen nothing so far to show that Still is the man that can get us firing on all 4 cylinders and actually challenging at the top of the table.
 

Seems another completely brain dead and trying to be the cleverest guy in the room appointment by the clowns in charge.  

Couldn’t have put it better myself.  Magnificent post.

[Badger]

6 hours ago, LGTL said:

If we sack him it’ll be Lallana. I’m not sure what would be worse at the moment. 

Possibly but if it is then it’s further evidence of dereliction of duty by those in charge, who can only have been sleepwalking in recent weeks.

The writing has been on the wall for a few weeks and matches now (esp Hull), so if they haven’t considered the possibility of a change, even making tentative enquiries, then that is shocking. But on evidence of recent seasons not a surprise. 

[Badger]

4 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Worth pointing out -again - that a call for a decent striker with a history of success in English football is not something that has changed in hindsight. Many saints fans were calling for this as the key position all summer. Despite doing some decent business elsewhere, this is ultimately going to cost us and it's on the board for failing to address that.

And the GK situation. McCarthy is performing well at the moment admittedly, but we all know some of his limitations.

Then we’re only an injury away from bringing back Crisp Packet Hands. 

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, Badger said:

And the GK situation. McCarthy is performing well at the moment admittedly, but we all know some of his limitations.

Then we’re only an injury away from bringing back Crisp Packet Hands. 

We 100% need a keeper but we may get away with that because McCarthy is performing quite well. Getting rid of Ramsdale is fairnenough if he wanted to go but to loan him out and use that as justification for not bringing in a proper keeper for this season is madness. 

[SouSaint]

Very unimpressed with him. We can't keep chopping and changing managers but equally SR can't keep appointing shite ones. 

What is it going to take for fans to turn on Solak and his data driven goons? 

[scumbag]

I think more anger needs to be aimed at the directors box than the dugout.

Presumably Still is managing to the best of his ability after all.  The fact that it appears evident that the level is not good enough rests largley with the twats that appointed him, and that have systematically destroyed this club.

Edited 3 hours ago by scumbag

[StrangelyBrown]

16 points after 10 games was the minimum standard as far as I'm concerned. He now can't get there and it doesn't look like a major turnaround is coming.

Not sure who we could attract though that will do any better with some major gaps in the squad.

Very disappointing, but frankly Spors needs to front up and explain what is going wrong as this is wider than just the manager.

[rooney]

Let’s have a fans forum.

[aintforever]

I’ve seen nothing in our performances so far to suggest he could get us anywhere near the top of the league, and considering he was a complete gamble with next to no record of achievement and limited experience it would be lunacy to give him too much longer.

I would be sounding out alternatives, give him the next two games and if there is no considerable improvement, get shot.

Edited 3 hours ago by aintforever

[Wade Garrett]

55 minutes ago, SouSaint said:

Very unimpressed with him. We can't keep chopping and changing managers but equally SR can't keep appointing shite ones. 

What is it going to take for fans to turn on Solak and his data driven goons? 

I think you’re right.  The writing was on the wall for Potter when the fans concentrated their anger on Sullivan.

[Football Special]

39 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

I think you’re right.  The writing was on the wall for Potter when the fans concentrated their anger on Sullivan.

When was the last fans protest? When sisa campaigned to wave white hankies after Poch was appointed? 

[Dr. Kucho]

17 hours ago, Turkish said:

We need to remember no manager can wave a magic wand and turn the 2nd worst team ever into world beaters over night. People will argue a lot of the players were here last year and that’s a valid point but that also means it’s a new team that takes time
 

there are question marks over Still for sure sometimes it does seem difficult to see what he’s doing but also there are only 5 teams in the division who have lost more games than us and 4 of them are the current top 4. 
 

its early days and whilst so far it’s underwhelming it’s not been terrible 

Good post! And like others have said, we can’t keep hiring and firing managers. Jones, Juric and Still have all done good/decent jobs at other clubs so it must be something at the club. 

Like said in an other comment, hiring Still makes sense with his C.V. But maybe Spors should have gone for an experienced manager to lift the club after last season. Like Wilder or Cooper, someone who’s seen it and knows the league. 

[Mr X]

9 hours ago, SaintNewForest said:

There's no point in gunning for Still. No point at all. All Sport Republic will do is appont another shit manager and the cycle will continue. 

We have to start turning on the ownership. They're the clowns making these decisions. They're the clowns ruining our club. They're the clowns who have got us in this mess, and they're the clowns who show no signs of improvement. 

And yet, bar a few passing comments, they get no heat at all. Complete charlatans who have ruined this club

We need to see a few signs along the lines of "sport republic you couldn't run a bath let alone a football club! Chance after chance to get it right and failed!" At the next game 

[Saint NL]

Looks like Forest are going to get rid of big Ange already. He's only been in charge for 6(?) games and it's clearly not working.

 

 

[Toussaint]

2 minutes ago, Saint NL said:

Looks like Forest are going to get rid of big Ange already. He's only been in charge for 6(?) games and it's clearly not working.

 

 

Really? Terrible manager, Martin levels of arrogance, but I’m surprised it this quick. 

[Football Special]

3 minutes ago, Saint NL said:

Looks like Forest are going to get rid of big Ange already. He's only been in charge for 6(?) games and it's clearly not working.

 

 

Forest fans are numpties singing sacked in the morning after a handful of games, would love to see them go down. 

[Midfield_General]

11 hours ago, CB Fry said:

Sorry we cant start saying " quite a tough run because of these clubs are above us", that's absolutely pathetic and a cop out.

We have resources that all of those clubs would kill for.

We are supposed to be challenging for promotion (preferably automatic).

Your 3 wins would get us to 20 points from 15 games which would be miles off and wed be not much higher in the table than now.

After 15 matches last time we had 27 points, the top 2 36 and 39.

 

 

In other news, you’ve got a stalker 

 

[Harry_SFC]

43 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

Really? Terrible manager, Martin levels of arrogance, but I’m surprised it this quick. 

They both try and get their teams to play this stupid brand of football and are both as arrogant as eachother.

Even if Still fails here at least he's not a tosser. 

[Dr Who?]

Yesterday was the first time I have heard the tide turning at a game. It was 50/50 in the away end some clapping/or standing and the other half booing/or obscene gesturing. It is starting to turn toxic and I get the feeling it will only get worse unless we can string 3/4 wins together.

I think it was the fact that we did not play well midweek but still gave ourselves a platform to build on, which we did not at Derby. It was an entertaining game is what many have said to me, but they had far to many chances through our shoddy defending. We missed far too many sitters. 

Again I will go back to our failure to sign the correct players. A goal keeper (ok some great saves yesterday), centre back, centre midfield (ball winner/hard man), and a striker. Yes not easy, but we are in a position where we still can attract the top players at this level. We might not be in a couple of years. 

Ownership has been terrible and since sacking Ralph the decisions have been bad. The club are on a gradual downward spiral and have been for a while now. We need these owners out of there, and to restructure from the bottom up, and the top down a complete new overhaul. This though will not happen unless a) The current owners want out and b) There is anyone who wants to buy us. Then it will be long winded and probably in place for the 26/27 season. 

All I know is that something is seriously wrong and we are getting further and further away from a stable premier league club that we should still be. 

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

43 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Forest fans are numpties singing sacked in the morning after a handful of games, would love to see them go down. 

Perhaps if we turned on Martin, Still, Jones etc after 6 games we wouldn’t be where we are now. We all know this is another duff manager but it will take all season for sports direct to get rid of him (and then employ another madman)

[HarvSFC]

He has two weeks to coach the team to learn to play a system that gets the best out of Archer, as he's our best option in the centre forward role now. We don't have a target man with Stewart's latest injury. So no more slow build-up, not every attack has to start with the centre-backs, bypass them and get it to the creative players up the pitch and no more hoofing it aimlessly after our slow build-up gets pressed.

We need a bit of tempo and getting the ball in the box. Stop trying to play through two banks of four because by the time our attack is building the opposition have everyone back and setup, which takes Archer out of the game.

[Harry_SFC]

Just now, HarvSFC said:

He has two weeks to coach the team to learn to play a system that gets the best out of Archer, as he's our best option in the centre forward role now. We don't have a target man with Stewart's latest injury. So no more slow build-up, not every attack has to start with the centre-backs, bypass them and get it to the creative players up the pitch and no more hoofing it aimlessly after our slow build-up gets pressed.

We need a bit of tempo and getting the ball in the box. Stop trying to play through two banks of four because by the time our attack is building the opposition have everyone back and setup, which takes Archer out of the game.

Yep. Still said he was an adaptable coach, now he has to show it. So far the game plan has been get it wide and cross into Stewart. As you say, without that he's got to come up with a plan that suits what we have available.