Tonda Eckert

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Nordic Saint said:

I'm taling about football resu,ts, not how good your eyes are. So, who was the Saints manager who had a better record in his first 18 games? Please tell me,.

Tonda has been average at best, with resources way above 22 other teams in the league.

[Hodgey]

His record is good, the issue was how long it took him to admit his system had been found out and to go to 4 at the back. 
He’s also been badly let down by recruitment, Bree clearly our best right back yet we turf him out and fail twice to find anyone better. Also I noted how much fitter and stronger he looked at 90m compared to the rest of them. Whilst it is great we suffer from less injuries, I think he’s listening too much to the analysts. Not much good having uninjured players if they are bullied for last 30m every game - also didn’t we have a massive squad ? Surely this year should have been the one we could risk injuries a bit more..

At least after 4 years looks like they have finally sorted the gk position (still not sorted cf though).

in all seriousness, whilst top 6 looks beyond us, if Tonda keeps improving - is willing to make the right changes (quicker), should we give him another season ? - we’ve invested in him learning this….

[washsaint]

14 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Tonda has been average at best, with resources way above 22 other teams in the league.

What a stupid, dumb comment.  As a respected poster posted on the UI stated he is now officially our best manager (stats wise) after the games he has been in charge (9 wins and 4 draws, 5 defeats).  Unlike the reactionary mob on here, anyone can see he is going to be a top class manager.

[tdmickey3]

Oh how 4 defenders allows us to be better defensively and in attack.

A good win but obviously nothing to do with systems is it Fab stooge 29.?

[John B]

7 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Oh how 4 defenders allows us to be better defensively and in attack.

A good win but obviously nothing to do with systems is it Fab stooge 29.?

It could also be something to do with having better full backs with the return of Bree and the return of Welington from injury

[trousers]

17 minutes ago, washsaint said:

he is now officially our best manager (stats wise)

Not quite (Adkins and Pardew have higher win percentages) but agree his stats are starting to look pretty good now, thanks to the uptick in form over the last week 👍🏻

[Badger]

Someone mentioned it was Tonda’s birthday today. So it’s a happy birthday for him with three points in the bag. Well done Tonda, enjoy your day.

Now having read about the lavish expenditure SR go in for at Valenciennes I hope they’ve got private jets and a decent piss up arranged for Tonda.Ideally he’ll get pissed and give Rasmus a kick in the nuts from the fans before heading home. 

[Badger]

29 minutes ago, Hodgey said:

His record is good, the issue was how long it took him to admit his system had been found out and to go to 4 at the back. 
He’s also been badly let down by recruitment, Bree clearly our best right back yet we turf him out and fail twice to find anyone better. Also I noted how much fitter and stronger he looked at 90m compared to the rest of them. Whilst it is great we suffer from less injuries, I think he’s listening too much to the analysts. Not much good having uninjured players if they are bullied for last 30m every game - also didn’t we have a massive squad ? Surely this year should have been the one we could risk injuries a bit more..

At least after 4 years looks like they have finally sorted the gk position (still not sorted cf though).

in all seriousness, whilst top 6 looks beyond us, if Tonda keeps improving - is willing to make the right changes (quicker), should we give him another season ? - we’ve invested in him learning this….

Interesting points raised but:

was the back 3/5 his decision or something imposed on him, and for whatever reason the shackles have been lifted ? Have to see what happens rest of season, although we might never know

Recruitment - same can be said for Ralph and Still. It seems only Martin was allowed to indulge in bringing his preferred players in.

GK - much improved, but too soon to judge if we have settled the position yet. 
 

CF - still hoping 

[Gloucester Saint]

13 minutes ago, Badger said:

Someone mentioned it was Tonda’s birthday today. So it’s a happy birthday for him with three points in the bag. Well done Tonda, enjoy your day.

Now having read about the lavish expenditure SR go in for at Valenciennes I hope they’ve got private jets and a decent piss up arranged for Tonda.Ideally he’ll get pissed and give Rasmus a kick in the nuts from the fans before heading home. 

Don’t forget the hookers and coke.

[Badger]

34 minutes ago, Hodgey said:

His record is good …

in all seriousness, whilst top 6 looks beyond us, if Tonda keeps improving - is willing to make the right changes (quicker), should we give him another season ? - we’ve invested in him learning this….

Making changes during the game when we need them is one of the critical things to see over the remaining season. Allowing  for what he has at his disposal of course, as of Monday pm he might not have a second striker to call on. 

[Wade Garrett]

Happy birthday Tonda.  You can legally drink alcohol now.

[Give it to Ron]

7 points from 9 since switching to back 4. I thought tactically was very good today snuffled Thomas who had 44% assists and goals of Stoke this season.

Wellington was a excellent again 

[Lord Duckhunter]

54 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said:

7 points from 9 since switching to back 4.

He got 12 from 12 with a back 3 when he took over, so it’s a bit early to be thinking anything’s changed. 

[Sir Ralph]

1 hour ago, Give it to Ron said:

7 points from 9 since switching to back 4. I thought tactically was very good today snuffled Thomas who had 44% assists and goals of Stoke this season.

Wellington was a excellent again 

Tonda should have come on here a month ago. We could have another ten points or so. 

[LegalEagle]

If the season started at the point Tonda took over we’re in 6th place and 5 points off the top. He’s getting there. Give him a chance. He’s prepared to change things and make difficult decisions. He will get us into the playoffs.

[Give it to Ron]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

He got 12 from 12 with a back 3 when he took over, so it’s a bit early to be thinking anything’s changed. 

Pony if you can’t see two proper full backs are making a difference you are not looking hard enough 

[John B]

1 hour ago, LegalEagle said:

If the season started at the point Tonda took over we’re in 6th place and 5 points off the top. He’s getting there. Give him a chance. He’s prepared to change things and make difficult decisions. He will get us into the playoffs.

How many points do you think we need

[AlexLaw76]

We are not going up this year, the very indifferent form so far has killed that.

Just got to hope we set ourselves up for a good start next season, like what Coventry have done 

[Saint NL]

30 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

 

Just got to hope we set ourselves up for a good start next season, like what Coventry have done 

That would be very on brand for Tonda, great first half but don't turn up for the second....

[Holmes_and_Watson]

5 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Don’t forget the hookers and coke.

SR hire soft drink swilling rugby players on deadline day.

"It's even more left field than getting Woodward in," shouted Rasmus, booking luxury trips to convince tennis players to join in the next summer window.

[Lord Duckhunter]

3 hours ago, Give it to Ron said:

Pony if you can’t see two proper full backs are making a difference you are not looking hard enough 

We didn’t have proper full backs though did we. Bree was at Charlton & Wellington was injured. 
 

Everybody is congratulating themselves on being right, that all we needed to do was play 4 at the back and everything would be ok. They were right, Tonda was wrong. But it’s not as simple as that. Had Baz been in goal, had Manning been the left back & Bree still at Charlton, we would have lost regardless of formation. As it was, we certainly didn’t play as well today as some of the games when Tonda first took over. 

[The Kraken]

1 minute ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Everybody is congratulating themselves on being right, that all we needed to do was play 4 at the back and everything would be ok.

Pretty much nobody is saying that. You’re painting yourself into a Fabrice29 shaped corner if that is your default. Quite frankly it’s a piss poor statement of inaccuracy.

The formation was a clear and obvious shit show going on. Playing 4 at the back does many things to improve us, most of them obvious. It’s not the only thing we were bad at, but it’s a foundation that needed to change. As evidenced against Hull, we’re a long way away from being a decent side and changing to 4 at the back alone isn’t going to change it overnight. But it’s a bloody good step in the right direction and plays to more of our strengths all over the pitch.

we did need to play 4 at the back. We also need to do many other things in other areas. Mist normal people can recognise that.

[Lord Duckhunter]

7 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

The formation was a clear and obvious shit show going on.

The shit show was the goal keeper and the lack of proper full backs. If you think we’d have won with a back 4 containing Manning, & Edward’s (or whoever you’d play) in front of Baz you’re barking up the wrong tree. When he had 2 decent full backs, he changed the formation. Personally, I don’t think he had much choice until Bree came back, and people are forgetting how well we played in his initial spell. It’s way more nuanced than back 3 bad, back 4 good. We had poor players and poor effort. Today we had better players and more effort. He could have played either formation, he clearly felt he couldn’t previously. 

Edited 11 hours ago by Lord Duckhunter

[The Kraken]

7 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

The shit show was the goal keeper and the lack of proper full backs. If you think we’d have won with a back 4 containing Manning, & Edward’s (or whoever you’d play) in front of Baz you’re barking up the wrong tree. When he had 2 decent full backs, he changed the formation. Personally, I don’t think he had much choice until Bree came back, and people are forgetting how well we played in his initial spell. It’s way more nuanced than back 3 bad, back 4 good. We had poor players and poor effort. Today we had better players and more effort. He could have played either formation, he clearly felt he couldn’t previously. 

Thats exactly what I just said. 

The formation helps a lot, it’s the building blocks of what we are. Mentioning Edwards is 🤣, well done on that one.

[Yozzman]

5 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Pretty much nobody is saying that. You’re painting yourself into a Fabrice29 shaped corner if that is your default. Quite frankly it’s a piss poor statement of inaccuracy.

The formation was a clear and obvious shit show going on. Playing 4 at the back does many things to improve us, most of them obvious. It’s not the only thing we were bad at, but it’s a foundation that needed to change. As evidenced against Hull, we’re a long way away from being a decent side and changing to 4 at the back alone isn’t going to change it overnight. But it’s a bloody good step in the right direction and plays to more of our strengths all over the pitch.

we did need to play 4 at the back. We also need to do many other things in other areas. Mist normal people can recognise that.

Don't be an arse, LD was just saying it is too early to say whether it was the  formation or the personnel that was the key.

5 at the back was working fine at the start of the Tonda reign so you can why he didn't change things straight away when we started drawing and losing games. Particularly when Manning was scoring and creating assists. 

To be honest I have been surprised at how well Welington has played in the last couple of games. When he was getting sent off against Blackburn I thought he was a total liability. Fair play to him, long may it continue. 

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Yozzman said:

Don't be an arse, LD was just saying it is too early to say whether it was the  formation or the personnel that was the key.

5 at the back was working fine at the start of the Tonda reign so you can why he didn't change things straight away when we started drawing and losing games. Particularly when Manning was scoring and creating assists. 

To be honest I have been surprised at how well Welington has played in the last couple of games. When he was getting sent off against Blackburn I thought he was a total liability. Fair play to him, long may it continue. 

5 at the back has been largely a shit show for years at this club....a purple patch of a few games does not alter that

[The Kraken]

3 minutes ago, Yozzman said:

Don't be an arse, LD was just saying it is too early to say whether it was the  formation or the personnel that was the key.

5 at the back was working fine at the start of the Tonda reign so you can why he didn't change things straight away when we started drawing and losing games. Particularly when Manning was scoring and creating assists. 

To be honest I have been surprised at how well Welington has played in the last couple of games. When he was getting sent off against Blackburn I thought he was a total liability. Fair play to him, long may it continue. 

Don’t be an arse, hardly anyone was saying that formation alone was our problem. It was a fundamental problem but not the only one, we have a few others that need fixing yet.

Edited 11 hours ago by The Kraken