James Ward-Prowse

[BoscombeScummer]

The new and very much improved England team is a perfect example of multi-culturalsim at work.

[eelpie]

But in general play he doesn't bring as much to the table as others. As a holding player Rice, Henderson and even Dier offer more. Box to box Barkley and Loftus-Cheek more. Out wide tons of players offer more. He's not an international standard footballer. Free kick taker he's come of age, but this ain't American football where you bring on a kicker.

 

So do you think Stirling has no influence on England's ability to win matches?

[trousers]

England 3-1 up with 30 mins left. Surely JWP o'clock...?

 

Edit: nope, on comes Henderson...

[Saint86]

He is very unlucky. Crap like Rice, Barkley and Odoi getting game time against a league 1 team. The media will now jizz themselves over a poor england performance and JWP will have got the message - leave saints to get england caps.

[TWar]

England 3-1 up with 30 mins left. Surely JWP o'clock...?

 

Edit: nope, on comes Henderson...

He will be on in the 83rd minute for barkley who will leave to a standing ovation, barely touch the ball, and be completely ignored from here on out as an England option

 

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[Lighthouse]

He is very unlucky. Crap like Rice, Barkley and Odoi getting game time against a league 1 team. The media will now jizz themselves over a poor england performance and JWP will have got the message - leave saints to get england caps.

 

That would be crap like Rice who has been consistently excellent this season and not just quite good for a couple of months?

JWP must leave Saints but somehow Rice gets picked for England despite 'only' playing for West Ham?

This is the poor England team who've just scored 9 goals in 2 competitive games?

[Micky]

On his way.

 

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[simo]

He's on

[davefizzy14]

Prowsey is on

[LGTL]

He is very unlucky. Crap like Rice, Barkley and Odoi getting game time against a league 1 team. The media will now jizz themselves over a poor england performance and JWP will have got the message - leave saints to get england caps.

 

Rice dominated our midfield at St Mary's, and calling Odoi crap is equally odd.

[Viking Saint]

Prowsey is on

 

and on his way to Anfield in the summer

[SKD]

England 3-1 up with 30 mins left. Surely JWP o'clock...?

 

Edit: nope, on comes Henderson...

 

Henderson was very good when he come on and is significantly better than jwp.

[SKD]

Chuck it out there early. JWP will not be in the next England squad. (Disclaimer providing we don’t have a number of injuries)

[Lighthouse]

and on his way to Anfield in the summer

 

Shaqiri, Lallana and Keita struggle to get into that team. JWP would get nowhere near it.

[hypochondriac]

Jwp really isn't that good. He's got a lot of potential and he's in a good vein of form but he's nowhere near a top 6 player.

[ashnats]

and on his way to Anfield in the summer

 

No, it’ll be Man City or Arsenal.

[JRM]

At least he's out of the one cap wonder club and is now a proper established international with two. Just needs a handful more to catch up with Le Tiss.

 

Despite all the goals I've found England games dull this week, sums up international football, for the most part lacking in competitive edge.

International breaks (for fans of Premier league clubs like ourselves) are best spent taking in some local non league football.

[qwertyell]

We've done well to cap-tie him to England. I think Noddytown were sniffing around.

 

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[pimpin4rizeal]

Should be good for us that ward prowse is having the England carrot dangled in front of his face..keep up the club form and you can get in next time too and maybe get more time.

[scotty]

There's been some carping on here, but I'm pleased for him and think he deserved his international call-up. I've enjoyed watching him play since Ralph changed his approach, fair play to him.

[BallBoy]

It seemed to me that JWP was being played too far forward last night. Strange.

 

Much as I love to see any Saints player in an England shirt I do think it unlikely that he will be a regular. The competition is very tough in his position.

[DT]

Why can't we just celebrate that he got on, in a very gifted team? Well done Prowsey. Good to see hard work paying off. He has improved a lot, including in terms of his strength, and we should just allow him that. Also, looks like one of the few who can score at the moment.

[trousers]

Why can't we just celebrate that he got on, in a very gifted team?

 

You've been a member of this esteemed forum since November 2006 and you're asking that question of the intelligentsia on here....?

[ashnats]

Nah this is rubbish, it just shows how fickle football fans are. A racist culture doesn't mean you hate all black players, that is an aggressive over simplification to suit your own conclusion. It means it is harder to impress people when you do well and you get a LOT more stick when you do badly. Point to one black player getting a hatrick and being applauded is reductive as ****, its like that "I can't be racist, I have a black friend" argument.

 

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to be fair though, Ashley Cole didn't have to overcome being black to become popular, he needed to overcome being a complete cockwomble and stop abusing / vomiting on girls / STD scares / swearing at police / shooting visitors on the training pitch etc., and not to mention his general on-pitch behaviour.

[TWar]

to be fair though, Ashley Cole didn't have to overcome being black to become popular, he needed to overcome being a complete cockwomble and stop abusing / vomiting on girls / STD scares / swearing at police / shooting visitors on the training pitch etc., and not to mention his general on-pitch behaviour.

Don't know much about Ashley Cole to be honest, was mainly talking about the comments regarding Sterling

 

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[BotleySaint]

It seemed to me that JWP was being played too far forward last night. Strange.

Much as I love to see any Saints player in an England shirt I do think it unlikely that he will be a regular. The competition is very tough in his position.

Yes I thought that too. He didn't really get much time to make an impact and neither did Wilson. Good for him to get on though.

 

He's behind 3-4 other players at present and probably rightly so given Barkley's upturn in form. Though I didn't think that Rice was anything special.

[Charlie Wayman]

He looked very nervous and unsure of his role last night. Every time he received the ball he off-loaded it as quickly as possible usually backwards safely to a team mate 5 yards away. He's got to be a lot more confident on the ball than he was last night and more assertive in making things happen if he wants to get into this team again. Let's face it he's 24 and the new kids are 18, time is not on his side.

 

Certainly cannot challenge Henderson or Barclay on this showing.

[Monk]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/southampton-s-golden-boy-but-james-ward-prowse-s-heart-remains-in-portsmouth-1-8861569/amp

[Lighthouse]

A few passes to steady himself after coming on, then he tried to take it round two players on the wing. Thought he did fine. Didnt look out of place. Probably would have scored had he played the whole game. Not a starter but a nice little player to have on the bench and offers something different. I have no idea why everyone is obsessed with comparing our players to others, and also thinking that they can only be good if they're starting.

 

Mainly because that's what it takes to get into the England team.

[Mosin]

Played well last night, we were the better team for large chunks of the game. Although the equaliser got them back on terms and where everyone expected them to be the real turning point was their double substitution bringing on Gobby and Milner. Completely changed the dynamic in midfield and on the right in place of the ineffective Wijnaldum and poor Trent-Arnold. It seems to be a trait of Ralph, excellent at setting up the team initially, and getting into leads (born out by the silly stat of us giving away more points from leding positions) but then not being able to counter tactical changes by the opposition when they are behind (or level). First goal resulted from clear offside, but really not surprised it was not given, and anyway we had opoprtunities to get the ball away before it went in, though Gunn could have done better to be honest. Second goal was No 17 in our series of how to turn corners into goals conceded. We have been doing this for 3 or more seasons now under various managers, how often did we concede from corners given away by Tadic, Boufal etc. If we are going to go gung-ho at corners we have to have more defensive cover than one man. Bertrand did everything right and everything he could without getting a red card (which would have been very costly to us in our remaining games) but n the end was bested by a great piece of skill by Salah. Don't care about the 3rd goal it was just a result of trying to get back in the game, but was irritating that Gobby was the scorer. JWP disappointing last night, thought he was totally ineffective, and the offsides in the first half were ridiculous, killed our momentum on more than one occassion. His set pieces were dreadful. Otherwise most of our players put in a good performance.

All in all it was a good performance, final score flattered them a bit, but was better than I had predicted (1-4).

 

Completely ****ed off by the Sky coverage with Carragher's antics, why the hell do Sky allow him to commentate on Liverpool games, it was truly embarrassing having to put up with the fawning over Liverpool by him and the rest of the team. All the post match stuff about Pool, absolutely nothing about Saints, it was like only one team took part in what was actually a good, entertaining match.

 

 

I admit he didn't have a great game, and was quite very quite, but he created 4 good chances ( Not including his set pieces which was in the words of Sky "Dead-ball delivery always dangerous"), no other player created 4 chances BTW Firmino was 2nd on 3 chances, so I don't know what you are going on about, he clearly put more chances into the box that we could have scored off but failed to do so. Redmond created sweet f a BTW and in the words of sky " Got in-behind on several occasions in the first half but lacked the quality delivery needed to get Southampton's second. Lost the ball 20 times " created 0 chances LOL

[austsaint]

I admit he didn't have a great game, and was quite very quite, but he created 4 good chances ( Not including his set pieces which was in the words of Sky "Dead-ball delivery always dangerous"), no other player created 4 chances BTW Firmino was 2nd on 3 chances, so I don't know what you are going on about, he clearly put more chances into the box that we could have scored off but failed to do so. Redmond created sweet f a BTW and in the words of sky " Got in-behind on several occasions in the first half but lacked the quality delivery needed to get Southampton's second. Lost the ball 20 times " created 0 chances LOL

 

As usual when it comes to JWP, you are over-the-top with your unconditional praise. He played really well for 6 - 7 games but has been largely anonymous against Brighton and again today. Redmond on the other hand played very well today - take your blinkers off and just watch the game.

[Mosin]

As usual when it comes to JWP, you are over-the-top with your unconditional praise. He played really well for 6 - 7 games but has been largely anonymous against Brighton and again today. Redmond on the other hand played very well today - take your blinkers off and just watch the game.

 

Really? blikers? ill highlight Redmond for you...... Southampton: Gunn (6), Valery (6), Bednarek (6), Yoshida (5), Vestergaard (6), Bertrand (6), Romeu (6), Ward-Prowse (6), Hojbjerg (7), Redmond (5), Long (6).

 

 

 

Ill highlight what was Said in regards to Redmond .

 

 

Nathan Redmond - 5

 

Got in-behind on several occasions in the first half but lacked the quality delivery needed to get Southampton's second. Lost the ball 20 times, and Milner got the better of him when he replaced Alexander-Arnold.

 

 

JWP James Ward-Prowse - 6

Attempted 10 crosses, successful with four of them, but was otherwise quiet as the game passed him by. Dead-ball delivery always dangerous, but didn't show the other sides to his game.

 

 

 

Redmonds Stats 1 shot 0 on target, 0 key passes, 2 dribbles, lost the ball for us 20 times, 14 times more than every one else on the team combined.

 

 

JWP stat 1 shot 0 on target 4 key passes

 

 

But whate ever dude, Redmond created all our chances and even scored the goal that Long scored. stats never lie and yes I watched the game, Redmodn was poor apart from his running and dribbling and losing the ball more than the rest of the team combined, but OK Austsaint, https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1284900/LiveStatistics/England-Premier-League-2018-2019-Southampton-Liverpool

 

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/11685229/southampton-1-3-liverpool-player-ratings-as-reds-go-top-again

 

 

https://www.skysports.com/football/soton-vs-liverpool/391083

 

 

All these must be wrong and you KING AUSTSAINT Right

 

 

Just wanted to add this for you as I know how much you hate JWP, but despite playing 15 games less than Redmond in the league, JWP is now are most creative player in the league after yesterdays game. thank you told you he would take it off Redmond before the end of the season

 

 

Good bye.

Edited 6 April, 2019 by Mosin

[VectisSaint]

I admit he didn't have a great game, and was quite very quite, but he created 4 good chances ( Not including his set pieces which was in the words of Sky "Dead-ball delivery always dangerous"), no other player created 4 chances BTW Firmino was 2nd on 3 chances, so I don't know what you are going on about, he clearly put more chances into the box that we could have scored off but failed to do so. Redmond created sweet f a BTW and in the words of sky " Got in-behind on several occasions in the first half but lacked the quality delivery needed to get Southampton's second. Lost the ball 20 times " created 0 chances LOL

 

Last night he was totally ineffective, don't know where you get the chances stat from, but it's clearly ********. He bad a poor game lst night, get over it, he's been playing very well for a while that's why it's disappointing when he doesn't show well in a game.

[Mosin]

Last night he was totally ineffective, don't know where you get the chances stat from, but it's clearly ********. He bad a poor game lst night, get over it, he's been playing very well for a while that's why it's disappointing when he doesn't show well in a game.

 

Sky website report, Who scored. EPL website. Transfermrkt. the stats say the same on all 4, so if he did nothing, why are these saying he did? Official stats according to them. if he did not create 4 chances why do these all say he did? They telling lies are they?

 

 

He was quite, but still had the most key passes in the game ( EG Chances that should have led to a goal being scored which is the definition of a key pass EG AN Assist. )

[Dusic]

Really? blikers? ill highlight Redmond for you...... Southampton: Gunn (6), Valery (6), Bednarek (6), Yoshida (5), Vestergaard (6), Bertrand (6), Romeu (6), Ward-Prowse (6), Hojbjerg (7), Redmond (5), Long (6).

 

 

 

Ill highlight what was Said in regards to Redmond .

 

 

Nathan Redmond - 5

 

Got in-behind on several occasions in the first half but lacked the quality delivery needed to get Southampton's second. Lost the ball 20 times, and Milner got the better of him when he replaced Alexander-Arnold.

 

 

JWP James Ward-Prowse - 6

Attempted 10 crosses, successful with four of them, but was otherwise quiet as the game passed him by. Dead-ball delivery always dangerous, but didn't show the other sides to his game.

 

 

 

Redmonds Stats 1 shot 0 on target, 0 key passes, 2 dribbles, lost the ball for us 20 times, 14 times more than every one else on the team combined.

 

 

JWP stat 1 shot 0 on target 4 key passes

 

 

But whate ever dude, Redmond created all our chances and even scored the goal that Long scored. stats never lie and yes I watched the game, Redmodn was poor apart from his running and dribbling and losing the ball more than the rest of the team combined, but OK Austsaint, https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1284900/LiveStatistics/England-Premier-League-2018-2019-Southampton-Liverpool

 

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/11685229/southampton-1-3-liverpool-player-ratings-as-reds-go-top-again

 

 

https://www.skysports.com/football/soton-vs-liverpool/391083

 

 

All these must be wrong and you KING AUSTSAINT Right

 

 

Just wanted to add this for you as I know how much you hate JWP, but despite playing 15 games less than Redmond in the league, JWP is now are most creative player in the league after yesterdays game. thank you told you he would take it off Redmond before the end of the season

 

 

Good bye.

 

FYI - JWP and Redmond can be judged independently of each other. Its entirely possible for both of them to be good, which they have been this season.

 

Redmond is clearly our Player of the Season (judged over the whole season), with JWP, Hojbjerg and Bednarek in the pack behind.

 

They also:

 

- Play in different positions and are not competing for game time

- Have different set piece duties

- Are totally different types of player

 

In addition, these are one person's subjective ratings.

 

They gave Joel Matip 8/10 when I thought he was poor.

 

They are not facts.

[Mosin]

FYI - JWP and Redmond can be judged independently of each other. Its entirely possible for both of them to be good, which they have been this season.

 

Redmond is clearly our Player of the Season (judged over the whole season), with JWP, Hojbjerg and Bednarek in the pack behind.

 

They also:

 

- Play in different positions and are not competing for game time

- Have different set piece duties

- Are totally different types of player

 

In addition, these are one person's subjective ratings.

 

They gave Joel Matip 8/10 when I thought he was poor.

 

They are not facts.

 

They both played as Forwards against Liverpool, this is the game under discussion not the season JWP is still our most creative player in the league and was yesterday.

[shurlock]

Sky website report, Who scored. EPL website. Transfermrkt. the stats say the same on all 4, so if he did nothing, why are these saying he did? Official stats according to them. if he did not create 4 chances why do these all say he did? They telling lies are they?

 

 

He was quite, but still had the most key passes in the game ( EG Chances that should have led to a goal being scored which is the definition of a key pass EG AN Assist. )

 

The threshold to qualify as a chance is pretty low. As such, you have to use your eyes and judgment to distinguish between high and low quality chances.

 

You might be right pal but in order to prove your point, you have to remind us of the four chances JWP created and we can assess them from there.

[Mosin]

The threshold to qualify as a chance is pretty low. As such, you have to use your eyes and judgment to distinguish between high and low quality chances.

 

You might be right pal but in order to prove your point, you have to remind us of the four chances JWP created and we can assess them from there.

 

Does it matter, Redmond got 0, JWP 4, Firmino 3, Mane 1, Sala 2... Again does it matter? He created the most in the game, and we all agree HE PLAYED POOR. but Redmond was worst, don't care how many times he passed sideways or crosses he attempted ( 0 ) fact is, JWP created 4 chances for us to score while Redmond made none, Yet JWP was bad, And Redmond was good, Saints web logic.

[shurlock]

Does it matter, Redmond got 0, JWP 4, Firmino 3, Mane 1, Sala 2... Again does it matter? He created the most in the game, and we all agree HE PLAYED POOR. but Redmond was worst, don't care how many times he passed sideways or crosses he attempted ( 0 ) fact is, JWP created 4 chances for us to score while Redmond made none, Yet JWP was bad, And Redmond was good, Saints web logic.

 

The chances were so good and memorable that you can remember exactly none of them

[beatlesaint]

This guy Mosin makes me chuckle - it’s not Southampton it’s JWP FC

 

And yeah he was pretty ineffective last night.....JWP I mean, not Mosin

[Mosin]

The chances were so good and memorable that you can remember exactly none of them

 

Still better than Redmond who created 0 seriously shurlock u r not that dense surely.

[Mosin]

This guy Mosin makes me chuckle - it’s not Southampton it’s JWP FC

 

And yeah he was pretty ineffective last night.....JWP I mean, not Mosin

 

Again was more effective than Redmond who created nothing none nada f all.

[doggface]

Mosin, are you family or friends with JWP?

[Mosin]

Mosin, are you family or friends with JWP?

 

No mate, just don't let opinions get in the way of facts, JWP is said on here to have been our worst player, and least effective, yet created 4 chances for us to score from, while Redmond didn't pass or run the ball in any place we could have scored from, yet Redmond was more effective?

 

JWP was better defensively than Redmond and better going forward as he actually made attempts to get the ball into the area to score goals, Redmond just ran around and gave the ball away ( Hench the 20 times he lost possession for us the most on the team, in fact more than every one else combined) .

 

 

Like don't get me wrong, JWP was poor, his performance was disappointing, but Redmond contributed less, and the stats back that up as he had worse at every thing a forward player is rated on but dribbling which he only made 2 attempts at in the full game any way, that lead to nothing as we did not even get a shot or a ball played into the area before he either got tackled or passed it to the wrong team, Even JWP got into the box more than Redmond and yet Redmond is a proper winger / Forward and JWP is a CM.... Like come on. its not opinion based its hard facts.

 

 

JWP created more for us, JWP covered the most ground, JWP made more contribution defensively, JWP lost the ball less, yet JWP was worse than Redmond who was one of our better players yet did less during the game than our worst player JWP.. can you explain in what world that makes any f ucking sense? cause I cant get my head around how Redmond was better yet did not one thing of note in the game.

[doggface]

No is good enough for me. ty

[Dusic]

Mosin - what is your opinion of the chance Redmond created for himself in the 2nd half by cutting inside, going past Matip on the outside and having his shot blocked for a corner?

 

Was that not a chance, in your opinion, that Redmond created?!

 

Or the one Long missed from Bertrand's cross? That was created by Redmond too...

[SKD]

Mosin - what is your opinion of the chance Redmond created for himself in the 2nd half by cutting inside, going past Matip on the outside and having his shot blocked for a corner?

 

Was that not a chance, in your opinion, that Redmond created?!

 

Or the one Long missed from Bertrand's cross? That was created by Redmond too...

 

He’s got a weird agenda against Redmond. Clearly, until he went up top, Redmond was one of our best players (as he has been all season) and clearly the most creative we have in the side.

[qwertyell]

Ward-Prowse has had a great couple of months, form wise, but has been disappointing in his two games after England duty.

 

It's only fair to state that his role seems to have changed again and he's playing less in the middle and more out wide - where he's never really excelled.

 

Funnily enough, his form dropped off a cliff the last time England picked him too. (As did Redmond's.)

 

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[northam soul]

He’s got a weird agenda against Redmond. Clearly, until he went up top, Redmond was one of our best players (as he has been all season) and clearly the most creative we have in the side.

 

That is one of our problems, whilst I agree he has been much improved we need better from our attacking players.

He is either part of a 2 or 3 depending on Ralph’s formation and his goals and assists are just not enough if we have ambitions of avoiding relegation fights.

I am not singling him out as the same applies to all of the others, we really need better quality attacking players but I guess a front 3 of Ings Redmond and Ward Prowse is the best we can hope for.

[Shance]

I thought Redmond had a good game. Pressed well but I agree that he needs to work on his final stage a bit more. Whether it's a pass or a shot, it's an area that he needs to work on.

 

JWP has had a couple of quiet games but i'm not sure if others have noticed that he's being pushed out wide again. He's had his best form in the middle this season.

 

Hoping Boufal comes back and is given a run of games in the middle as well. His preferred position.