Saints Expelled from Playoffs

[skintsaint]

6 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Manager appointed 15th Jan, game on the 26th. Enough time to check on them without going to 72 hours.

[Saint86]

6 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

So no proof? Given this reported story about parsons admitting everything to Boro / EFL, it sounds like he's taken the same approach in the hearing. Madness.

Edited 2 hours ago by Saint86

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Convict Colony said:

How has oxford become one of our spying clubs then ?

because we spied on them

[DrSuess1979]

Just now, Convict Colony said:

Really !!! i read that as parsons being dealt a shit sandwich and taking ownership of it to control the fall out as best as he could, remember this was before the game was played.

Many bad guys in this but i'm not think parsons is one.

This
The easy route would have been to hang Salt out to dry ruining his life in the process!

[sockeye]

Just now, Polaroid Saint said:

The biggest issue with that reality, now, is how we can possible keep not only the squad together but also keep this weird leftfield gem of a manager in Tonda.

Spors as well, who had a big part in assembling this side, would be difficult to lose. Could be a summer of falling apart at the seams.

[sadoldgit]

4 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

This is the problem. If clubs have easy access (I don’t know what Oxford’s training ground is like but we know that Middlesbrough and Millwall’s training grounds are easily accessible) perhaps they don’t give a second thought to sending people along?

[Convict Colony]

1 minute ago, S-Clarke said:

You don't show your hand like that though, it was dumb. Keep your cards close to your chest, don't admit anything to the accusers and wait for them to thrash it out independently.

It's like a car accident - never admit liability at the scene, never. Let the insurers battle it out.

Fair

[Saint_clark]

14 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Bollox, you love being right and bragging about it 

Ok mate. I'm just further ahead in the grieving process as I had accepted it might be happening earlier in the week.

[RedArmy]

2 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Really !!! i read that as parsons being dealt a shit sandwich and taking ownership of it to control the fall out as best as he could, remember this was before the game was played.

Many bad guys in this but i'm not think parsons is one.

You need to get your ducks in a row first not go blabbing to the EFL and Gibson TWO DAYS LATER that we did it and end your entire defence. 
 

 

[Midfield_General]

41 minutes ago, trousers said:

Oh well that's that sorted then, if Parsons is confident.

Fuck my life, this club 🤣

[Waterside.saint]

Unbelievable.  Someone must've OK'd this, and that someone should go

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

9 minutes ago, LegalEagle said:

I find it extraordinary that some alleged Saints fans are turning on others here who had been optimistic about the outcome here and trying to bash them up for it or playing the smart arse. There were things that none of us knew and the club has badly let the fans down. We couldn’t have predicted this. I didn’t see it coming or what the club had been up to. I thought the best of them - what an error that was. 

But the fans need to stick together. We’ve got really rocky times ahead and we are always the constant. Owners, players and managers come and go. We don’t. Time for us to all unite.

Anyway, thinking ahead, Sean Dyche anyone?

Sean Dyche is one of the few people who could come in and change the mood of the club. If we make another smart arse appointment then we really are doomed.

[badgerx16]

2 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

So no proof then… 

Wasn't there a text message giving the instruction to go ? That would be date and time stamped.

[Convict Colony]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

because we spied on them

Yeah but there is not cctv footage apparently

[Saint86]

8 minutes ago, trousers said:

Which makes the whole damn thing utterly pointless. You could perhaps  understand the temptation to spy if the rewards far outstripped the risks, but there was almost nothing to be gained and everything to lose by engaging in such activities.

Not that it exonerates the club, or changes the outcome, but I'm still hoping that whoever sanctioned this was blissfully ignorant of the rules, because it's unforgivable if it was carried out in willful floutation of the rules. 

The "spying" rule only exists because derby complained about Leeds. Other leagues do not have "spying", and the EFL didn't have it before that. It's just scouting your next opposition.

[Gloucester Saint]

5 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

Yes, essentially he gave them all the ammo they needed at this point. Imbecile.

I’m amazed Dyson put up with him for so long. Naive isn’t the word. In my profession he’d be giving the game away in 5 seconds flat. Someone like him should never be anywhere near negotiating. He should at least have done the due diligence about Gibson and Morris. 

[sockeye]

I'd be furious with Parsons if I were Dragan. Tonda and co. fucked up big time but Parsons handed the EFL the knife

[Lighthouse]

5 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Of course it’s disproportionate. 
 

If that’s the case, they should have made the decision before the 2nd leg took place. All of this is now a farce. Not to even mention reinstating Boro. Why? It’s absurd 

It's not disproportionate, it's a sporting penalty for cheating which gained us a sporting advantage. We don't deserve to be in the playoffs, so how is getting kicked out of them disproportionate?

This isn't some catering regulation or away fans allocation we've knobbled. We've knowingly and illegally gathered information to help us win games of football. People were just hoping for some sort of fine which we could absorb into the accounts over several years, claim as a tax write-off some how and through creative accounting only cost us one Moussa Djenepo in 2031's summer transfer window. Wishful thinking.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Do we really believe Tonda, who we’re  told, lives and breathes football, was unaware of the Canadian birds at the olympics or of Beilsa and Leeds. Are we seriously to believe nobody at the club informed him, or mentioned it maybe illegal, when people were sent up to grounds. If that’s the case why did the spy try and run off. Surely if you’re doing something perfectly legal, you’d say “I’m from Southampton, watching your training” when asked what he was doing and who he was. 

[adrian lord]

The appeal:

No way will we be re-instated, even if we hired Kavanagh QC. 

Best we can hope for is the points deduction being waived. I think that is likely actually. 

Edited 2 hours ago by adrian lord

[tdmickey3]

2 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Ok mate. I'm just further ahead in the grieving process as I had accepted it might be happening earlier in the week.

Grieving, I’m fuckin angry 

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, Convict Colony said:

Yeah but there is not cctv footage apparently

We have obviously admitted it.

[saint-ross]

27 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I don't think that's fair to say at all, the fans have not got what we deserved at all. It's so harsh to say that.

None of this is our fault, we're being punished for some stupid kid pricks at our football club who will be of no relevance in a few years - but we'll still be lumbered with it.

The fans in general no. The ones laughing and mocking and just being arrogant, absolutely they do. Some of our fans have been a total embarrassment, as they so often are lately. 

[Farmer Saint]

6 minutes ago, Colinjb said:

To be as seemingly meticulous as he is and not know the rules?

I don't buy it.

Why would he think it is if every other league in the world does not ban it?

[Convict Colony]

Guys i have a job i have to pretend to do tomorrow, do any of you soothsayers know what time the appeal decision will be announced or are we saying late afternoon? or am i gonna have to hear about arsenal and the referee's winning the league for 24hrs

[RedArmy]

Just now, badgerx16 said:

Wasn't there a text message giving the instruction to go ? That would be date and time stamped.

I text my missus what I wanted for dinner earlier today, doesn’t mean she cooked it. 
 

They would need to prove it. We turned up and went yeah that’s true, that’s true and that’s true. 
 

Our lawyers must have been thinking “ah well at least we’re getting paid” 

[trousers]

28 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Parsons should be one of the first to be shown the door.

Didn't someone post on here recently that we haven't had a 'Compliance Officer' in post since at least the start of the year, and that this is technically in breach of corporate regulations? And that it would have been the responsibility of the said Compliance Officer to ensure all departments and personnel were following the EFL regulations to the letter? Could this be the reason Tonda was seemingly blissfully unaware of the 72 hour rule? 

[PJ]

5 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Really !!! i read that as parsons being dealt a shit sandwich and taking ownership of it to control the fall out as best as he could, remember this was before the game was played.

Many bad guys in this but i'm not think parsons is one.

Completely agree. Parsons doesn't seem to be the issue here. 

[whelk]

5 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

The fans enjoyed watching the matches we won, though, right?

The spying definitely spoilt my enjoyment of the Oxford game

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

Just now, adrian lord said:

The appeal:

No way will we be re-instated, even if we hired Kavanagh QC. 

Beat we can hope for is the points deduction being waived. I think that is likely actually. 

who gives a flying fuck about the points deduction

[S-Clarke]

Just now, Waterside.saint said:

Unbelievable.  Someone must've OK'd this, and that someone should go

Sounds like it all came from Tonda, because he 'didn't know it was a rule' in this league. His analyst background from other countries would have probably included this sort of thing as standard, I'm sure other clubs do it all over the world.

I do think it's a silly rule in the sense that the '72' hour thing is nonsense and it only applies to the EFL, so in my eyes this punishment is obviously massively disproportionate, but going back to the club it just stinks of incompetence and inexperience from everyone at our club.

[Wade Garrett]

Just now, RedArmy said:

I text my missus what I wanted for dinner earlier today, doesn’t mean she cooked it. 
 

They would need to prove it. We turned up and went yeah that’s true, that’s true and that’s true. 
 

Our lawyers must have been thinking “ah well at least we’re getting paid” 

We admitted it.  It’s really not that hard to understand.

[Osvaldorama]

7 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Really !!! i read that as parsons being dealt a shit sandwich and taking ownership of it to control the fall out as best as he could, remember this was before the game was played.

Many bad guys in this but i'm not think parsons is one.

A serious person does not admit wrongdoing in a situation like this. 

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, S-Clarke said:

Sounds like it all came from Tonda, because he 'didn't know it was a rule' in this league. His analyst background from other countries would have probably included this sort of thing as standard, I'm sure other clubs do it all over the world.

I do think it's a silly rule in the sense that the '72' hour thing is nonsense and it only applies to the EFL, so in my eyes this punishment is obviously massively disproportionate, but going back to the club it just stinks of incompetence and inexperience from everyone at our club.

He has hardly just arrived here. Wasn't;t the assistant manager at Barnsley also?

I did not know m'lud is no defence

[RedArmy]

Just now, Wade Garrett said:

We admitted it.  It’s really not that hard to understand.

Yeah I wrote that in the message if you want to actually read it. 
 

We didn’t need to. 

[23rdSaint]

2 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Do we really believe Tonda, who we’re  told, lives and breathes football, was unaware of the Canadian birds at the olympics or of Beilsa and Leeds. Are we seriously to believe nobody at the club informed him, or mentioned it maybe illegal, when people were sent up to grounds. If that’s the case why did the spy try and run off. Surely if you’re doing something perfectly legal, you’d say “I’m from Southampton, watching your training” when asked what he was doing and who he was. 

I generally like your posts, but your continuous need to refer to women as "birds" is really strange.

[Hawkswood]

37 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

I've never wanted Hull to win a game of football so much.

Tbh I dont feel anything for either boro or Hull. Its shame and embarrassment that I feel for my club. What were they thinking.

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

He has hardly just arrived here. Wasn't;t the assistant manager at Barnsley also?

I did not know m'lud is no defence

It's not a defence, but it is mitigation

[spyinthesky]

Thinking back to when Blackburn were beating 10 man Ipswich 1-0 with only 10 mins to go and the Referee abandoned the game due to a wet pitch.
The EFL refused to allow the game to be replayed or to play the remaining 10 minutes at a later date.
It the EFL had sanctioned the latter option Millwall would have been promoted.
Perhaps Millwall ought to have a go at the EFL

[Mr X]

We are we persisting with a pointless apeal? If the EFL were to reverse this decision they would look more stupid and incompetent than us and that's saying something as the whole country is laughing at us! 

[Miltonaggro]

2 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

I’m amazed Dyson put up with him for so long. Naive isn’t the word. In my profession he’d be giving the game away in 5 seconds flat. Someone like him should never be anywhere near negotiating. He should at least have done the due diligence about Gibson and Morris. 

That was my first thought, an attempt at backslapping bonhomie with known snides like that suggests naivety in the extreme.   

[RedArmy]

2 minutes ago, whelk said:

The spying definitely spoilt my enjoyment of the Oxford game

Only saints could spy and be THAT shit. 

[S-Clarke]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

He has hardly just arrived here. Wasn't;t the assistant manager at Barnsley also?

I did not know m'lud is no defence

Oh i agree, I don't buy it either. I think it's a weak argument and it all just goes back to him being inexperienced and silly.

Going back to losing at home to Preston, I could have never imagined we'd be here today. This is just the most surreal evening I've ever had. I haven't even eaten.

[Gloucester Saint]

4 minutes ago, sockeye said:

I'd be furious with Parsons if I were Dragan. Tonda and co. fucked up big time but Parsons handed the EFL the knife

Wonder if that’s what @LeG was posting about?

[badgerx16]

1) Parsons should go NOW. Totally out of his depth. Why the fuck say anything to Gibson ?

2) There is no excuse for not knowing the fucking rules.

[LegalEagle]

8 minutes ago, Colinjb said:

Bad? No.

A bloody fool?

Yes

Absolutely. If true, you don’t cough that easily.

[S-Clarke]

1 minute ago, RedArmy said:

Only saints could spy and be THAT shit. 

That's the gallows humour part of all this, we spied on Oxford and were horrendous all game. A team that we were better than in terms of player.

We can't even do spying right. Or hiding behind a tree.

Edited 2 hours ago by S-Clarke

[sadoldgit]

2 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

who gives a flying fuck about the points deduction

It’s better than nothing and, worse case scenario, imagine if we go down due to those 4 points.

[Wade Garrett]

1 minute ago, RedArmy said:

Yeah I wrote that in the message if you want to actually read it. 
 

We didn’t need to. 

Who knows?  The evidence may have been irrefutable.

[skintsaint]

1 minute ago, Mr X said:

If the EFL were to reverse this decision they would look more stupid and incompetent than us

The commission gave the penalties.