Next Season

[spyinthesky]

                              Baz (Long)

Bree                  Stephens     Wood              Manning
(Roerslev)          (Loan ???)  (Quarshie)       (Welington)

      Matsuki           Bragg         Aziz                   Ediozie
    (Fellows)        (Williams)   (Loan ???)     (Robinson)

                    Archer         Stewart/Larin??
                  (Downes??)  (Oyekunle)           

Manager   Who Knows??

Above squad would struggle to compete in the Championship with a 4 point deduction unless Spors can come up with reasonable replacements plus
some decent loans.

Transfers Out
Perez🥲
Downes                       £10m?
Harwood Bellis           £20m?
Scienza                       £20m?
Jander                         £20m?
Charles                        £15m?
Romeu                         Free
Jelert                           ???
Fernandez                   £2m? part of deal with West Ham to take 10% of profit from player sale based on £60m transfer value
Loans Out
Ramsdale                    £15m??
Brerton Diaz                £5m , or returned to us?

Possibility of anything up to £100m revenue, less money owed to clubs to whom we owe money.

Attendances
Attendances very likely to be adversely affected by current disenchantment unless replacements seem to be suitable.
Season ticket sales down to around 18,000 so average attendance at around 24,000 for an average season.

I am thoroughly pissed off about news today but I will be back to renew my season ticket next season but have sympathy with those who choose not to renew.

 

[pingpong]

Even with a pessimistic view on outgoings, we still have a very good chance of a very good season next year, that team looks decent (and missing fellows) and it's likely we would find another couple of gems.

Let's be honest, this league is far more entertaining than the one above, so this is not particularly devastating news, it's only the money that we miss, but 2 yrs down is still in the fun zone. 4pts is no issue at all.@

Still a chance we play hull and lose too, and in that case we're in a similar situation anyway.  

[AlexLaw76]

Damion Downs and BBD leading the line

With Baz as the gloves man

 

going to be epic

[SambaMaverick]

Stopped reading at "Baz"

Fuck my life, honestly

[sockeye]

Johansson in nets please

[S-Clarke]

1 minute ago, sockeye said:

Johansson in nets please

He has just signed a new 3 year deal at Stoke.

[Sheaf Saint]

My big concern (and I'm going to ask my nephew about this because he's an expert on football contracts) - is that some players might try and find a loophole to get their contracts cancelled because of the club's actions. Then we'll be well and truly fucked next season.

[spyinthesky]

25 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

My big concern (and I'm going to ask my nephew about this because he's an expert on football contracts) - is that some players might try and find a loophole to get their contracts cancelled because of the club's actions. Then we'll be well and truly fucked next season.

Jeez, if that is really a reality with players contracts then we are in deep doo doo.

[Disco Stu]

Bazunu won't be playing for this club again. GK will be the first position to sort out in the summer (feel like I've said that for the last 4+ years)

Edited 14 hours ago by Disco Stu

[SNSUN]

40 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

He has just signed a new 3 year deal at Stoke.

They took one look at Baz and threw as much money as they could at Johansson

[SNSUN]

48 minutes ago, pingpong said:

Even with a pessimistic view on outgoings, we still have a very good chance of a very good season next year, that team looks decent (and missing fellows) and it's likely we would find another couple of gems.

Let's be honest, this league is far more entertaining than the one above, so this is not particularly devastating news, it's only the money that we miss, but 2 yrs down is still in the fun zone. 4pts is no issue at all.@

Still a chance we play hull and lose too, and in that case we're in a similar situation anyway.  

This is a good point and partly true, lack of promotion would see our better players leave but now we're in a different situation after cheating. Players may have gone in good faith after receiving good money for them but with a possibility they could stay if no bids came in as a we had a chance for automatics next season. Now we have a 4 point penalty and a reputation in tatters, players may actively want to leave us now. 

We'll see, I guess. I'm gutted because I'd love to have seen this side with a few good additions next season. Personally I think we go into next season still rebuilding the team... and that is never good for preparation when you need a quick start. 

[S-Clarke]

9 minutes ago, SNSUN said:

They took one look at Baz and threw as much money as they could at Johansson

At least we have Bazunu to look forward to next season.

[CB Fry]

SCOTTY PARKER'S RED AND WHITE ARMY

[Baird of the land]

I highly doubt we’re going to sell our entire midfield.

[Ex Lion Tamer]

Why is it that every summer we have these takes which assume we will sell all our best players and replace them with absolutely no one?

[SNSUN]

9 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

I highly doubt we’re going to sell our entire midfield.

Depends how any legal action goes by the players to the club. I can't blame any of them for wanting out over the summer. 

1 minute ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

Why is it that every summer we have these takes which assume we will sell all our best players and replace them with absolutely no one?

Of course we'll sign players, but it depends on who even owns us. There's a lot to sort out with the ownership and management of the club before we can even think of signing players. Wish I could just sleep until September and see what state we're in then.

Shambles.

[spyinthesky]

Without knowing contractual details and how this shit show affects them, I can see players geeded up by their agents looking at some sort of recompense as they have been denied the opportunity to double their wages if the team had made it through to the Prem on Saturday.
It will certainly be the case that those worthy of moving to Premiership clubs will be more than happy to entertain offers from other clubs and the Saints Board will be in no position to stand firm on valuations.
This is a shit show that will have repercussions for many years to come.
A lot of people have sniggered on the position that Leicester (and to a much lesser degree Sheffield Weds) have found themselves in.
We may be able to avoid their plight but I can easily see us in a battle against the drop next season with the hope of mid table obscurity.
Just to think our collective joy last Tuesday with optimism at the highest level for some time and look at us now........ gloom, doom and plenty of empty seats next season.

[Saint86]

19 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

I highly doubt we’re going to sell our entire midfield.

Sell them? Mate, they'll likely get their contracts torn up.

[Baird of the land]

11 minutes ago, SNSUN said:

Depends how any legal action goes by the players to the club. I can't blame any of them for wanting out over the summer. 

Of course we'll sign players, but it depends on who even owns us. There's a lot to sort out with the ownership and management of the club before we can even think of signing players. Wish I could just sleep until September and see what state we're in then.

Shambles.

Can’t see how any players would have any legal course of action. Leicester players don’t seem to be doing so. A couple will force their way out like they did last summer but club would be morons if they permitted a mass exodus of key players.

 

[S-Clarke]

1 minute ago, Baird of the land said:

Can’t see how any players would have any legal course of action. Leicester players don’t seem to be doing so. A couple will force their way out like they did last summer but club would be morons if they permitted a mass exodus of key players.

 

The club are morons though, so there is that.

[SNSUN]

1 minute ago, Baird of the land said:

Can’t see how any players would have any legal course of action. Leicester players don’t seem to be doing so. A couple will force their way out like they did last summer but club would be morons if they permitted a mass exodus of key players.

 

I can only assume loss of earnings (potential promotional wage rises etc). Athletic have already said they may take legal action so there's clearly some sort of reason to do so. They've busted a gut for nothing. 

Besides I wouldn't trust SR to get anything right at the moment. 

[sfc4prem]

I fear we'll be taking a fair few steps back. Especially if we lose Spors, who seemingly made some astute purchases.

Surely the likes of THB, Scienza, Charles will go?

We need to be really fucking careful over the summer. It could be one that sets us back a long way if it doesn't pan out well.

[Baird of the land]

3 minutes ago, SNSUN said:

I can only assume loss of earnings (potential promotional wage rises etc). Athletic have already said they may take legal action so there's clearly some sort of reason to do so. They've busted a gut for nothing. 

Besides I wouldn't trust SR to get anything right at the moment. 

I’d take hyperbole tonight with a pinch of salt, especially when the word may is used. There doesn’t seem to be a legal precedent for players tearing up contracts because club gets a league punishment. Even bosman ruling took 5 years to go through the courts.

[die Mannyschaft]

1 hour ago, spyinthesky said:

                              Baz (Long)

Bree                  Stephens     Wood              Manning
(Roerslev)          (Loan ???)  (Quarshie)       (Welington)

      Matsuki           Bragg         Aziz                   Ediozie
    (Fellows)        (Williams)   (Loan ???)     (Robinson)

                    Archer         Stewart/Larin??
                  (Downes??)  (Oyekunle)           

Manager   Who Knows??

Above squad would struggle to compete in the Championship with a 4 point deduction unless Spors can come up with reasonable replacements plus
some decent loans.

Transfers Out
Perez🥲
Downes                       £10m?
Harwood Bellis           £20m?
Scienza                       £20m?
Jander                         £20m?
Charles                        £15m?
Romeu                         Free
Jelert                           ???
Fernandez                   £2m? part of deal with West Ham to take 10% of profit from player sale based on £60m transfer value
Loans Out
Ramsdale                    £15m??
Brerton Diaz                £5m , or returned to us?

Possibility of anything up to £100m revenue, less money owed to clubs to whom we owe money.

Attendances
Attendances very likely to be adversely affected by current disenchantment unless replacements seem to be suitable.
Season ticket sales down to around 18,000 so average attendance at around 24,000 for an average season.

I am thoroughly pissed off about news today but I will be back to renew my season ticket next season but have sympathy with those who choose not to renew.

 

Agree cant see many players staying with no real prospect of promotion as another new manager and no one with experience.  Attendance will be down, seasons maybe 15,000 fans may opt to just buy as they go.  Club have screwed fans with thier ridiculous PR during this fiasco and thought could get away with it so that won't help entice fans or new players. 

Need new owners, manager that's experienced, and players likely all from championship or some obscure European team.

[die Mannyschaft]

5 minutes ago, sfc4prem said:

I fear we'll be taking a fair few steps back. Especially if we lose Spors, who seemingly made some astute purchases.

Surely the likes of THB, Scienza, Charles will go?

We need to be really fucking careful over the summer. It could be one that sets us back a long way if it doesn't pan out well.

THB, Scienza, Charles are looking for Premier League football to progress career, Saints cant provide that now. 

[Sheaf Saint]

18 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

The club are morons though, so there is that.

Indeed. If today has shown us anything it's that the senior management of the club is beyond inept when it comes to defending ourselves from legal actions.

[Willo of Whiteley]

I have full confidence in the clowns to announce season ticket prices next week being frozen in price. 😂🖕🏻

[badgerx16]

Looking forward to reading the "Championship -4" blog.

[Saint_clark]

5 hours ago, SNSUN said:

I can only assume loss of earnings (potential promotional wage rises etc). Athletic have already said they may take legal action so there's clearly some sort of reason to do so. They've busted a gut for nothing. 

Besides I wouldn't trust SR to get anything right at the moment. 

I'm almost certain that there is no legal basis for players taking action against the club to get their contracts terminated. There would need to be direct breaches of contractual agreements such as unpaid wages. The club cheating indirectly harms the player, not directly. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Saint_clark
Spelling mistake

[wild-saint]

6 hours ago, Saint86 said:

Sell them? Mate, they'll likely get their contracts torn up.

Utter bollox. How many contracts have been torn up because a club have breached financial regulations, I’ll tell you it’s none. The club breached a regulation and been harshly punished for it. Unless there is a specific clause that terminates a contract based on the club being sanctioned for rules breaches then we either sell or they stay. 
 

 

[bangkoksaint]

It’s simple. Next season is about survival and containment. I think some on here seriously underestimate what’s coming down the line. It would have been bad enough if Hull had beaten us, that pails into insignificance now.

[AlexLaw76]

So, half a new/changed squad, likely new DoF, coaching staff and a new Manager (who will probably be replaced before xmas)

Sports Republic out.

[tdmickey3]

1 hour ago, wild-saint said:

Utter bollox. How many contracts have been torn up because a club have breached financial regulations, I’ll tell you it’s none. The club breached a regulation and been harshly punished for it. Unless there is a specific clause that terminates a contract based on the club being sanctioned for rules breaches then we either sell or they stay. 
 

 

We will sell because they will want out, why do you think they have contacted the PFA?

All quality will be gone a season of struggle beckons 

Edited 5 hours ago by tdmickey3

[Greenridge]

Reputational damage will mean sponsorship for the 26/27 season will be very interesting….

Edited 4 hours ago by Greenridge

[Turkish]

10 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said:

My big concern (and I'm going to ask my nephew about this because he's an expert on football contracts) - is that some players might try and find a loophole to get their contracts cancelled because of the club's actions. Then we'll be well and truly fucked next season.

According to some posts on X (I know) some of the have already spoken to the PFA for advice. Be interesting to see his take as there might well be grounds to cancel their contacts. 

[Miltonaggro]

Much depends on Solak. Whatever he has said in the past he is the epitome of the ‘hands off’ owner. Putting a series of docile bodies between himself and any actual direction of the club, his visits seem to be a round of golf and a match / board meeting. We’ve been told he is a fighter, the man who took on the Serbian government and won, well let’s see if he’s willing to fight the EFL. With litigation bubbling along in the background,  options are to move on the major assets, pull out and sell, or go scorched earth with the deadbeats in the coaching set up and management / board and invest heavily in an all or nothing push for autos next season - with any ‘stars’ that want out replaced with hit the ground running quality. Guess we will find out over the next fortnight. 

[bpsaint]

Knowing that Peretz, Leo and THB won’t be here next season is a tough pill to swallow. Especially Peretz, keepers like that are hard to come by.

[SaintNewForest]

Relegation next year. The upheaval is going to be immense  

[Sheaf Saint]

2 hours ago, wild-saint said:

Utter bollox. How many contracts have been torn up because a club have breached financial regulations, I’ll tell you it’s none. The club breached a regulation and been harshly punished for it. Unless there is a specific clause that terminates a contract based on the club being sanctioned for rules breaches then we either sell or they stay. 
 

 

All depends what's written into the conditions. They might have grounds to claim that the club have not acted in good faith, leading to a serious breakdown of trust. If I as an employee had been proven to have mislead my management and caused huge reputational damage as a result, I would quite rightfully face summary dismissal. Well contracts between parties work both ways, and if the club's actions and/or wilful negligence have caused any of our players irrreparable reputational damage then I'm fairly sure a good lawyer would be able to build a solid case that the club have somehow breached that contract.

[sockeye]

7 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

Much depends on Solak. Whatever he has said in the past he is the epitome of the ‘hands off’ owner. Putting a series of docile bodies between himself and any actual direction of the club, his visits seem to be a round of golf and a match / board meeting. We’ve been told he is a fighter, the man who took on the Serbian government and won, well let’s see if he’s willing to fight the EFL. With litigation bubbling along in the background,  options are to move on the major assets, pull out and sell, or go scorched earth with the deadbeats in the coaching set up and management / board and invest heavily in an all or nothing push for autos next season - with any ‘stars’ that want out replaced with hit the ground running quality. Guess we will find out over the next fortnight. 

His chance for that was this season. He’s got no clue. Needs to go.

[Miltonaggro]

7 minutes ago, sockeye said:

His chance for that was this season. He’s got no clue. Needs to go.

and the season before, that. This is a different situation. 

[S-Clarke]

50 minutes ago, Greenridge said:

Reputational damage will mean sponsorship for the 26/27 season will be very interesting….

I think reputational damage is the big thing here, it's going to have a huge impact on us longer term.

I see some fans saying we'll just crack on next season and win the league - but I don't think we can underestimate how much this charade is going to harm this club for many years. Player contracts, agent dealings, managers, scouting, sponsorships, media, hospitality, commercial, financial. Everything will be hit by this.

Managers, players, owners will go - but the fans will still be dealing with this mess long after.

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, S-Clarke said:

I think reputational damage is the big thing here, it's going to have a huge impact on us longer term.

I see some fans saying we'll just crack on next season and win the league - but I don't think we can underestimate how much this charade is going to harm this club for many years. Player contracts, agent dealings, managers, scouting, sponsorships, media, hospitality, commercial, financial. Everything will be hit by this.

Managers, players, owners will go - but the fans will still be dealing with this mess long after.

You would have hoped that had we not gone up (no guarantee we would have beaten Hull) we would have gone into next season bang in form and looking like a favourite....

Now, we start again (again), and no doubt what ever idiot they hire as the manager will be gone by xmas

[Osvaldorama]

But guys, just imagine supporting anyone else? 
 

How boring must it be. 
 

We get to ride an emotional roller coaster for life 

[Pamplemousse]

16 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I think reputational damage is the big thing here, it's going to have a huge impact on us longer term.

I see some fans saying we'll just crack on next season and win the league - but I don't think we can underestimate how much this charade is going to harm this club for many years. Player contracts, agent dealings, managers, scouting, sponsorships, media, hospitality, commercial, financial. Everything will be hit by this.

Managers, players, owners will go - but the fans will still be dealing with this mess long after.

That's why we need a clean slate. A new manager goes some way to showing to the outside world i.e. sponsors, players etc. that we are looking to ensure this never happens again. Tonda is tainted unfortunately, unlikely he'll ever work in England again

[BotleySaint]

7 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

That's why we need a clean slate. A new manager goes some way to showing to the outside world i.e. sponsors, players etc. that we are looking to ensure this never happens again. Tonda is tainted unfortunately, unlikely he'll ever work in England again

Yep. The club needs to put out a statement asap with clear action to show we've cut out the problem from the club. Sackings as approrptiare.

Full apology and condemning of the  behavior.

Probably needs to come from Dragan who hopefully had nothing to do with it and is the only clean source. Doubt hes happy at losing over £100m over this.

But at this stage who knows who is guilty and who isn't...

Edited 3 hours ago by BotleySaint

[Patrick Bateman]

Next season ... just wait for the announcement over the next week ... 

"There has been an adjustment to your season ticket prices, renew for just £75 more, that's an adjustment of just £3 per home match" 

[BotleySaint]

As for the squad. Would expect Azaz, Downs, THB, Manning to leave at least. 

Unlikely we'll get Peretz and Larin back but that would be perfect. This was pretty much the only slim set of circumstances that would result with Baz back as first choice. I really wouldn't be surprised.

Edited 3 hours ago by BotleySaint

[AlexLaw76]

We will cook next season...

 

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

So, half a new/changed squad, likely new DoF, coaching staff and a new Manager (who will probably be replaced before xmas)

Sports Republic out.

That’s exactly what it will be. Anyone half decent isn’t going to stick around we won’t be able to spend much because we’re skint anyway and potentially facing expensive legal battles as well as the doomsday situation where players can walk if they’ve had their contracts breached. This is only going to end one way and it isn’t going to be up