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Just now, Dr Who? said:

If Charles wants to stay we would be crazy to push for the money. But I do not own the club. 

Well given our financial situation we have to sell some players and he is one of our most saleable assets.

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Genuinely not sure Charles would attract a big money move at this point. I do wonder if our asking price would be higher than clubs are willing to pay. 
 

Hes great but still very raw. Another season with us is probably what he needs… (especially if we are pushing for promotion instead of poncing about at the bottom of the league for six months like last season). 
 

It feels weird to be in a transfer window and wanting to keep the majority of the squad. Last few seasons I’ve wanted to get rid of so many. 

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Posted
10 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

Genuinely not sure Charles would attract a big money move at this point. I do wonder if our asking price would be higher than clubs are willing to pay. 
 

Hes great but still very raw. Another season with us is probably what he needs… (especially if we are pushing for promotion instead of poncing about at the bottom of the league for six months like last season). 
 

It feels weird to be in a transfer window and wanting to keep the majority of the squad. Last few seasons I’ve wanted to get rid of so many. 

Depends how long he has on his contract though, I thought it was only 12 months but perhaps there’s a an extra year’s option? If he isn’t signing a new one then it become obvious to cash as an asset.

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10 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

Genuinely not sure Charles would attract a big money move at this point. I do wonder if our asking price would be higher than clubs are willing to pay. 
 

Hes great but still very raw. Another season with us is probably what he needs… (especially if we are pushing for promotion instead of poncing about at the bottom of the league for six months like last season). 
 

It feels weird to be in a transfer window and wanting to keep the majority of the squad. Last few seasons I’ve wanted to get rid of so many. 

And this is what the player thoughts seems to be, but if the club ‘need’ to cash in I’m sure they will push for it. Very odd situation as we are always lead to believe it is the player that wants out. Ok they may do in the majority, but it would seem not in some like this. I still have good faith that he will start the season with Saints… then will and push the panic buy button in the top 6 of the premier ‘traditional top 6’. 

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21 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

it's the usual he needs to speak to the president bollocks, al hillal want him apparently 

I'm sure that will go smoothly. The Krasnodar president is renowned for his calm head during these kinds of transfer negotiations.

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2 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Depends how long he has on his contract though, I thought it was only 12 months but perhaps there’s a an extra year’s option? If he isn’t signing a new one then it become obvious to cash as an asset.

The echo previously said there was an extra year option, no clue if the club actually got round to activating it though.

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27 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

The echo previously said there was an extra year option, no clue if the club actually got round to activating it though.

He's contracted to the end of 26-27.

Funnily enough, whatever option we have isn't entirely down to Saints "actually getting round to it". Obviously a wee bit more complicated than that.

The most likely scenario is we cash in this summer.

I guess there probably is a contract to be written with a kind of reverse relegation clause in it - if we don’t go up he goes, if we do go up we pay him £xxxxx. 

But probably the most likely departure of the summer.

 

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Dragan is really stepping up. Like seriously. Bit between his teeth. £££. Players will be happy. 

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14 hours ago, Dr Who? said:

If Charles wants to stay we would be crazy to push for the money. But I do not own the club. 

I’m sure the fact he went through Man City’s academy means selling him will be better for the profit rules than selling Jander or someone else for the exact same fee. I’m not 100% sure as it’s complicated, but I think selling someone who came through an English academy does benefit the profitability more than a foreign one. 
 

Therefore it might be the case that selling 2 English players, would be the same as selling 3 foreign ones as far as PSR is concerned .

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1 hour ago, LeG said:

Dragan is really stepping up. Like seriously. Bit between his teeth. £££. Players will be happy. 

Bonuses offered to keep the squad together?

Leo, Caspar, Shea and Taylor all staying?

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1 hour ago, LeG said:

Dragan is really stepping up. Like seriously. Bit between his teeth. £££. Players will be happy. 

Love it - we all need to push as hard as we can this year and embrace the "fuck it, we'll do it again and do it harder" mentality, as shown by Peretz in his video.

I'm very much looking forward to this season (on that note, I'm ready to renew, let's do it please Saints)

The famous ending (4:10 onwards) to this song feels apt this season ... 

 

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35 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Love it - we all need to push as hard as we can this year and embrace the "fuck it, we'll do it again and do it harder" mentality, as shown by Peretz in his video.

I'm very much looking forward to this season (on that note, I'm ready to renew, let's do it please Saints)

The famous ending (4:10 onwards) to this song feels apt this season ... 

 

Perhaps we need to get saints brass to go rebel as well and belt this out before games?

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12 minutes ago, Stu Man Do said:

Perhaps we need to get saints brass to go rebel as well and belt this out before games?

I mean, it's possible .....

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I’m sure the fact he went through Man City’s academy means selling him will be better for the profit rules than selling Jander or someone else for the exact same fee. I’m not 100% sure as it’s complicated, but I think selling someone who came through an English academy does benefit the profitability more than a foreign one. 
 

Therefore it might be the case that selling 2 English players, would be the same as selling 3 foreign ones as far as PSR is concerned .

I thought the benefit of an academy product was solely if from your own academy. Where any sale figure is treated as 100% profit.

In the case of Charles, we spent c£10 (was it?)on him . Doesn’t that have to be factored into the calculation? The downside is that presumably there is a further sum payable to Man City as well to eat into our profit. 

It may be a lower or different % or multiplier (or whatever it might be called) is allowed against domestic academy purchases, but in truth I don’t know. 

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6 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Depends how long he has on his contract though, I thought it was only 12 months but perhaps there’s a an extra year’s option? If he isn’t signing a new one then it become obvious to cash as an asset.

Charles is planning to be with us next season, according to the Belfast Tely. Looking forward to being back for preseason. He's not going anywhere unless we decide to sell and I doubt we will unless it's for big money. Hope he stays.

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3 hours ago, LeG said:

Dragan is really stepping up. Like seriously. Bit between his teeth. £££. Players will be happy. 

Amazing to hear. That sounds to me like a couple of unexpected players staying. I can't see Jander staying if I'm honest. In that scenario I hope we keep THB and possibly Charles and Scienza.

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5 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

it's the usual he needs to speak to the president bollocks, al hillal want him apparently 

Krasnodar will no doubt make a statement next Friday.

Won’t be worth much after the inhumane slaughter will he ?

5 hours ago, coalman said:

I'm sure that will go smoothly. The Krasnodar president is renowned for his calm head during these kinds of transfer negotiations.

Sergey Gibbosky isn’t it ? 

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23 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Amazing to hear. That sounds to me like a couple of unexpected players staying. I can't see Jander staying if I'm honest. In that scenario I hope we keep THB and possibly Charles and Scienza.

Suspect you’re right, but Jander is one of the key remaining players I’d like to retain. He and Downes worked well at the end of season, better than Charles and Downes.

But with rumours of him being homesick at one stage last season there seems an inevitability that he might look to leave.
 

More we keep the better (of the key players that is).  

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43 minutes ago, Badger said:

Suspect you’re right, but Jander is one of the key remaining players I’d like to retain. He and Downes worked well at the end of season, better than Charles and Downes.

But with rumours of him being homesick at one stage last season there seems an inevitability that he might look to leave.
 

More we keep the better (of the key players that is).  

The homesick thing is bollocks, it was around Christmas, don't think he ever claimed to be homesick, just that his GF wasn't over here, wish people would stop.saying this. Lots has changed since January. He's got a contract with us.and will stay unless we get a big offer.

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22 minutes ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

Interesting. Stuttgart are in the Champions league and have spent big before. 

So if they want Jander. I dont think it'll be cheap.

 

20 minutes ago, St Chalet said:

We will either extract top money or he won’t be going. 

I'd like to think you're right but depends what his contract states.

We may have agreed at £25m release clause. Hope not.

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2 minutes ago, Badger said:

 

I'd like to think you're right but depends what his contract states.

We may have agreed at £25m release clause. Hope not.

If there was release clause the agent would have leaked it, like Scienza’s team have. 

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24 minutes ago, St Chalet said:

We will either extract top money or he won’t be going. 

Which is fair enough. If someone wants to bid something like 30 million then that may allow us to keep someone like THB or Scienza. Jander is brilliant but a central midfield of Bragg, Charles and Downes plus a cheaper Jander replacement (if that's what it ends up being) is a top performing midfield in this league.

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45 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Which is fair enough. If someone wants to bid something like 30 million then that may allow us to keep someone like THB or Scienza. Jander is brilliant but a central midfield of Bragg, Charles and Downes plus a cheaper Jander replacement (if that's what it ends up being) is a top performing midfield in this league.

I’d agree, but we also have Brandon Williams and, potentially,Sesay, coming through. I can see the club wanting both of them to get some exposure.

I do wonder who else from the U21 squad will be given a chance and which ones will be released. Anyone got an inkling?

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20 minutes ago, Pwoite said:

I’d agree, but we also have Brandon Williams and, potentially,Sesay, coming through. I can see the club wanting both of them to get some exposure.

I do wonder who else from the U21 squad will be given a chance and which ones will be released. Anyone got an inkling?

Sesay played most of last season at left back.  Tounkara should link up with the 21’s next season so hopefully he & Williams form a good partnership in midfield - assuming Barnaby doesn’t head out on loan.

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1 hour ago, Pwoite said:

I’d agree, but we also have Brandon Williams and, potentially,Sesay, coming through. I can see the club wanting both of them to get some exposure.

I do wonder who else from the U21 squad will be given a chance and which ones will be released. Anyone got an inkling?

Worth remembering as well that Jander was fairly underwhelming for a fair bit of the season. He was excellent towards the end but I don't think he was nailed on first choice until about march.

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4 hours ago, Badger said:

I thought the benefit of an academy product was solely if from your own academy. Where any sale figure is treated as 100% profit.

In the case of Charles, we spent c£10 (was it?)on him . Doesn’t that have to be factored into the calculation? The downside is that presumably there is a further sum payable to Man City as well to eat into our profit. 

It may be a lower or different % or multiplier (or whatever it might be called) is allowed against domestic academy purchases, but in truth I don’t know. 

I put it in AI, so treat with caution. But it came back with this.

 

Ultimately, while buying a player from another English academy helps you meet the Premier League's squad registration quotas, it does absolutely nothing special for your PSR balance sheet until that player has been at your club for years. For an immediate financial fix, clubs must sell the talent they grew themselves.

 

If Southampton were to sell both players for the exact same amount right now, selling Shea Charles would be better for PSR than selling Caspar Jander.

Even though neither came through Southampton's own academy, Charles is much more profitable on the accounts because of how long he has been at the club and how amortisation works.

Here is the exact financial breakdown of why Charles gives the bigger PSR boost.

The Math Behind Shea Charles

The Purchase: Southampton signed Charles from Manchester City's academy in July 2023 for an initial fee of £10.5m on a 4-year contract. 

The Amortisation: His fee has been hitting the accounts at £2.625m per year (£10.5m divided by 4).

Current Book Value: Having been at the club for three full seasons, £7.875m of his fee has already been written off. His remaining book value on the balance sheet is just £2.625m.

The Math Behind Caspar Jander

The Purchase: Southampton signed Jander from FC Nürnberg in August 2025 for a reported £10.4m on a 4-year contract. 

The Amortisation: His fee hits the accounts at £2.6m per year (£10.4m divided by 4).

Current Book Value: Since he has only completed one season at St Mary's, only £2.6m has been written off. His remaining book value is still a hefty £7.8m.

The Scenario: Selling both for £20 million

If a club comes in and buys either player for £20m, here is what the PSR profit looks like on Southampton’s spreadsheet:

$$ \text{PSR Profit} = \text{Sale Price} - \text{Remaining Book Value} $$

Selling Shea Charles: £20m (Sale) - £2.625m (Book Value) = £17.375m PSR Profit

Selling Caspar Jander: £20m (Sale) - £7.8m (Book Value) = £12.2m PSR Profit

The Verdict

Selling Shea Charles nets Southampton roughly £5.175m more in PSR profit than selling Jander for the exact same fee.

Because Charles has already run down most of his contract length, his remaining "book cost" is incredibly low, making his sale function much closer to the "pure profit" of a homegrown academy graduate. Jander, being a newer signing, still has too much unamortised transfer debt attached to his name.

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Posted
11 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I put it in AI, so treat with caution. But it came back with this.

 

Ultimately, while buying a player from another English academy helps you meet the Premier League's squad registration quotas, it does absolutely nothing special for your PSR balance sheet until that player has been at your club for years. For an immediate financial fix, clubs must sell the talent they grew themselves.

 

If Southampton were to sell both players for the exact same amount right now, selling Shea Charles would be better for PSR than selling Caspar Jander.

Even though neither came through Southampton's own academy, Charles is much more profitable on the accounts because of how long he has been at the club and how amortisation works.

Here is the exact financial breakdown of why Charles gives the bigger PSR boost.

The Math Behind Shea Charles

The Purchase: Southampton signed Charles from Manchester City's academy in July 2023 for an initial fee of £10.5m on a 4-year contract. 

The Amortisation: His fee has been hitting the accounts at £2.625m per year (£10.5m divided by 4).

Current Book Value: Having been at the club for three full seasons, £7.875m of his fee has already been written off. His remaining book value on the balance sheet is just £2.625m.

The Math Behind Caspar Jander

The Purchase: Southampton signed Jander from FC Nürnberg in August 2025 for a reported £10.4m on a 4-year contract. 

The Amortisation: His fee hits the accounts at £2.6m per year (£10.4m divided by 4).

Current Book Value: Since he has only completed one season at St Mary's, only £2.6m has been written off. His remaining book value is still a hefty £7.8m.

The Scenario: Selling both for £20 million

If a club comes in and buys either player for £20m, here is what the PSR profit looks like on Southampton’s spreadsheet:

$$ \text{PSR Profit} = \text{Sale Price} - \text{Remaining Book Value} $$

Selling Shea Charles: £20m (Sale) - £2.625m (Book Value) = £17.375m PSR Profit

Selling Caspar Jander: £20m (Sale) - £7.8m (Book Value) = £12.2m PSR Profit

The Verdict

Selling Shea Charles nets Southampton roughly £5.175m more in PSR profit than selling Jander for the exact same fee.

Because Charles has already run down most of his contract length, his remaining "book cost" is incredibly low, making his sale function much closer to the "pure profit" of a homegrown academy graduate. Jander, being a newer signing, still has too much unamortised transfer debt attached to his name.

Yep I think AI is correct, that is my understanding of the player value accountancy, should have claimed it as your own work! 

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Posted
9 hours ago, LeG said:

Dragan is really stepping up. Like seriously. Bit between his teeth. £££. Players will be happy. 

Great to hear. This squad and manager have already shown what they can do so perhaps that gives him confidence in making the investment

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I do think we need to get the players we want signed up done quickly, which seems to be the plan, as I do fear that the wheels will come off a little of this siege mentality when a ban for Tonda comes through. Will be interested to see how we handle that one. I presume it will be 6 months from the time the ban comes in, so as it stands he would be back November. I hope the FA get it sorted and do not announce it a week before the start to the season. 

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13 minutes ago, Dr Who? said:

I do think we need to get the players we want signed up done quickly, which seems to be the plan, as I do fear that the wheels will come off a little of this siege mentality when a ban for Tonda comes through. Will be interested to see how we handle that one. I presume it will be 6 months from the time the ban comes in, so as it stands he would be back November. I hope the FA get it sorted and do not announce it a week before the start to the season. 

You sound certain he will be banned?

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14 minutes ago, Dr Who? said:

I do think we need to get the players we want signed up done quickly, which seems to be the plan, as I do fear that the wheels will come off a little of this siege mentality when a ban for Tonda comes through. Will be interested to see how we handle that one. I presume it will be 6 months from the time the ban comes in, so as it stands he would be back November. I hope the FA get it sorted and do not announce it a week before the start to the season. 

I'm not so sure it's a foregone conclusion as you're suggesting. 

The club has already been very heavily punished and we supposedly have some very good lawyers on the case in regards to the FA investigation. 

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23 minutes ago, Dr Who? said:

I do think we need to get the players we want signed up done quickly, which seems to be the plan, as I do fear that the wheels will come off a little of this siege mentality when a ban for Tonda comes through. Will be interested to see how we handle that one. I presume it will be 6 months from the time the ban comes in, so as it stands he would be back November. I hope the FA get it sorted and do not announce it a week before the start to the season. 

Im guessing that TE will get a suspended sentence. 

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I would hope, in the event of a ban, Saints take both the EFL and the FA to the cleaners.  

Hopefully does not come to that as how on earth could the FA ban him when Saints have also been booted out of the play-offs.  But, beacuse it's Saints, I can see them doing that and Man City getting off scott free (just like Chelsea did) for their true cheating 

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10 minutes ago, washsaint said:

I would hope, in the event of a ban, Saints take both the EFL and the FA to the cleaners.  

Hopefully does not come to that as how on earth could the FA ban him when Saints have also been booted out of the play-offs.  But, beacuse it's Saints, I can see them doing that and Man City getting off scott free (just like Chelsea did) for their true cheating 

When Canada women got done for spying in 2024 the team were given a six point penalty in the completion and their coach copped a 1 year ban from football activities. So there is precedent there, albeit different associations.

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21 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

I'm not so sure it's a foregone conclusion as you're suggesting. 

The club has already been very heavily punished and we supposedly have some very good lawyers on the case in regards to the FA investigation. 

The club have been punished, although it seems the FA will look to give kickings to some of the individuals involved. 

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3 hours ago, Pwoite said:

I’d agree, but we also have Brandon Williams and, potentially,Sesay, coming through. I can see the club wanting both of them to get some exposure.

I do wonder who else from the U21 squad will be given a chance and which ones will be released. Anyone got an inkling?

I’d hope that the sole focus next season is seeking promotion, not prioritising the ‘pathway’ and game time for youngsters 

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Posted
25 minutes ago, Badger said:

I’d hope that the sole focus next season is seeking promotion, not prioritising the ‘pathway’ and game time for youngsters 

Dragan has pretty well said as much... All about results and not about player trading. Frankly given what he's said and ready between the lines I think Rasmus may have a heck of a lot less power all of a sudden.

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We need to retain Casper Jander.
 

Very underrated by some and a major part of many of our best performances this season. He was the best player on the pitch against City at Wembley and has put in some massive contributions to the team’s best performances in the last season. 

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46 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

When Canada women got done for spying in 2024 the team were given a six point penalty in the completion and their coach copped a 1 year ban from football activities. So there is precedent there, albeit different associations.

It being a different governing body makes it not a precedent. It would only be a precedent if the FA had given out a ban for the offence.

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1 hour ago, Dr Who? said:

I do think we need to get the players we want signed up done quickly, which seems to be the plan, as I do fear that the wheels will come off a little of this siege mentality when a ban for Tonda comes through. Will be interested to see how we handle that one. I presume it will be 6 months from the time the ban comes in, so as it stands he would be back November. I hope the FA get it sorted and do not announce it a week before the start to the season. 

If it is time based then the FA are not going to start a 6 month ban in June when the players are on holiday/on international duty and there are zero matches.

A charge of "bringing the game into disrepute" is pretty easy for them to stick on him so will just depend on the punishment.

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