Tonda Eckert

[Miltonaggro]

11 hours ago, St Chalet said:

"Ben Garner's Red and White Army"

It was only a matter of time…

[bugenhagen]

16 hours ago, St Chalet said:

"Ben Garner's Red and White Army"

“We’re all aboard Ben Garner’s boat”

[Eire Saint]

My guess is 10 game touchline ban.

Not going to be a big deal, can still run and influence the game, only difference is can't shout at players from the touchline.

We'll be fine.

More annoyed about the 4 point deduction. Will take a while to catch up with the leading pack. 

What is Allowed During a Touchline Ban:

Dugout Contact: Using phones or staff messengers to relay tactical messages to coaches on the bench.

Location: Sitting in the stands or the designated director's box, away from the technical area.

Team Talks: Entering the dressing rooms before the match and at half-time.

 

[Harry_SFC]

18 minutes ago, Eire Saint said:

My guess is 10 game touchline ban.

Not going to be a big deal, can still run and influence the game, only difference is can't shout at players from the touchline.

We'll be fine.

More annoyed about the 4 point deduction. Will take a while to catch up with the leading pack. 

What is Allowed During a Touchline Ban:

Dugout Contact: Using phones or staff messengers to relay tactical messages to coaches on the bench.

Location: Sitting in the stands or the designated director's box, away from the technical area.

Team Talks: Entering the dressing rooms before the match and at half-time.

 

Tonda doesn't strike me as a "shouty type" during a match. I don't think a touchline ban would be much of a problem for us. 

[beatlesaint]

5 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Tonda doesn't strike me as a "shouty type" during a match. I don't think a touchline ban would be much of a problem for us. 

Sssshhh !! 

Yes it would be a disaster, would seriously impact us 😉

[Window Cleaner]

29 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Tonda doesn't strike me as a "shouty type" during a match. I don't think a touchline ban would be much of a problem for us. 

And as his offences are nothing to do with touchline behaviour a touchline ban would be a bit silly really. Good for us no doubt but silly. He could in theory carry on spying at will. 

[Matthew Le God]

1 minute ago, Window Cleaner said:

And as his offences are nothing to do with touchline behaviour a touchline ban would be a bit silly really. Good for us no doubt but silly. He could in theory carry on spying at will. 

Are you suggesting his punishment should only be one that stops him spying? What punishment would stop him spying? An ankle monitor and a curfew?

[Scummer]

7 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Are you suggesting his punishment should only be one that stops him spying? What punishment would stop him spying? An ankle monitor and a curfew?

Good idea, I'd accept that

[Window Cleaner]

7 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Are you suggesting his punishment should only be one that stops him spying? What punishment would stop him spying? An ankle monitor and a curfew?

A complete ban, 6 months to a year suspended dependent on no further misdeamenours and a fine of 100 k, half suspended.

[VectisSaint]

4 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Are you suggesting his punishment should only be one that stops him spying? What punishment would stop him spying? An ankle monitor and a curfew?

He hasn't been charged with spying as you well know and furthermore he did not do any spying. His "crime" is unconnected to his activity on the field of play so his sanction should reflect that, more appropriate would be a ban from football activity. How does banning someone from the touchline reinforce that he or anyone else should avoid such activity in the future. But if they offer touchline ban then he should bite their hand off, because its almost meaningless.

[Fabrice29]

6 minutes ago, VectisSaint said:

He hasn't been charged with spying as you well know and furthermore he did not do any spying. His "crime" is unconnected to his activity on the field of play so his sanction should reflect that, more appropriate would be a ban from football activity. How does banning someone from the touchline reinforce that he or anyone else should avoid such activity in the future. But if they offer touchline ban then he should bite their hand off, because its almost meaningless.

It's not though is it, otherwise he wouldn't have done it. The amount of times this has had to be explained to various people is genuinely bizarre.

Anyway, club continue to brief media outlets they don't have any indication of the outcome and last week were telling the Athletic they don't expect a ban so this whole not as bad as it first seemed that will be announced two days ago sounds good.

[Weston Super Saint]

If his 'crime' is unconnected to his activity on the field, why would a ban from all football activity be appropriate?  Surely that would ban him from his activity on the field which is unconnected to his crime?

[Stripey McStripe Shirt]

26 minutes ago, Window Cleaner said:

And as his offences are nothing to do with touchline behaviour a touchline ban would be a bit silly really. Good for us no doubt but silly. He could in theory carry on spying at will. 

So Will was spying on Boro, and Tonda was spying on Will? The plot thickens.

[Saint Keef]

He doesn't need to shout from the touchline. The unblinking, fixed "stare of death" is enough to get his message across.😲

[Badger]

1 hour ago, Eire Saint said:

My guess is 10 game touchline ban.

Not going to be a big deal, can still run and influence the game, only difference is can't shout at players from the touchline.

We'll be fine.

More annoyed about the 4 point deduction. Will take a while to catch up with the leading pack. 

What is Allowed During a Touchline Ban:

Dugout Contact: Using phones or staff messengers to relay tactical messages to coaches on the bench.

Location: Sitting in the stands or the designated director's box, away from the technical area.

Team Talks: Entering the dressing rooms before the match and at half-time.

 

Makes a touchline ban seem pretty pointless. I’d prepare to be disappointed if that is what you’re expecting or want.

As someone else says, his offence wasn’t on the pitch, pitch side or even a matchday. I’m expecting it to be more far reaching (altjougn hope it isn’t). 

[Saint NL]

So to punish Tonda, he's going to have to communicate to the bench with an iPhone and he'll need binoculars to see the pitch from the stands 👀

[obelisk]

16 minutes ago, Badger said:

I’m expecting it to be more far reaching

Banned from Teesside then? I'd accept that.

All this mindless speculation does is to reinforce the fact that nobody knows where the so-called crime is considered to be in a range from "nothing to see here" to "deserving of public sacrifice".

It's the EFL and the FA that are starting to look ridiculous. Wish they'd just damn well get on with it.

[danjosaint]

Or just sack him and Parsons and move on 

[rallyboy]

I'd like to hear more guessing please, especially from people who still haven't quite grasped the difference between the EFL, the FA, FIFA and the RSPB

Thanks. 🙂

[Starksj1995]

We’ll hopefully we hear something before Saturday it’s a joke still nothing 

[Badger]

3 minutes ago, Starksj1995 said:

We’ll hopefully we hear something before Saturday it’s a joke still nothing 

Might depend if we’ve lodged an appeal don’t forget. If we have then there may be a prescribed period for the FA to review it.

The EFL decision and appeal was done with the Saturday fixture in mind so accelerated. But of course it was all about the integrity of the game, not the commercial side of it and millions riding on the match taking place. 

[Window Cleaner]

23 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

I'd like to hear more guessing please, especially from people who still haven't quite grasped the difference between the EFL, the FA, FIFA and the RSPB

Thanks. 🙂

RPSB? Did Salt disturb some Lesser Spotted Yellow Woodpeckers when he was hiding behind that tree?

[Wade Garrett]

I reckon he’s going to do hard time in chokey.

Hopefully he won’t hear the words ‘You can kiss the baby’.

[VectisSaint]

3 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

It's not though is it, otherwise he wouldn't have done it. The amount of times this has had to be explained to various people is genuinely bizarre.

FFS if you're trying to be obtuse, you're doing a fucking good job. In what way, shape or form is bringing the game into disrepute by manipulating an employee to do some scouting away from base directly connected to on pitch activity? 

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, VectisSaint said:

FFS if you're trying to be obtuse, you're doing a fucking good job. In what way, shape or form is bringing the game into disrepute by manipulating an employee to do some scouting away from base directly connected to on pitch activity? 

 Cause that is where the advantage would have been 

[Fabrice29]

2 minutes ago, VectisSaint said:

FFS if you're trying to be obtuse, you're doing a fucking good job. In what way, shape or form is bringing the game into disrepute by manipulating an employee to do some scouting away from base directly connected to on pitch activity? 

Could have really done with an arguement like that in the office before Tonda did said manipulating really. 

[die Mannyschaft]

3 hours ago, Window Cleaner said:

RPSB? Did Salt disturb some Lesser Spotted Yellow Woodpeckers when he was hiding behind that tree?

Lesser spotted Boro Tit making a nest in the goal. The Boro goalkeeper was certainly a Tit

[die Mannyschaft]

4 hours ago, Saint NL said:

So to punish Tonda, he's going to have to communicate to the bench with an iPhone and he'll need binoculars to see the pitch from the stands 👀

An AI app can predict how the game is unfolding and make the relevant tactical changes and subs for Tonda. Or we can plant Tuchel in the crowd and Tonda and relay instructions in German to him via the bench. No obscure FA rule beached there 

[obelisk]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

 Cause that is where the advantage would have been 

Still can't get my head around the idea that seeking to gain a sporting advantage is somehow classed sinful. Isn't that part of what professional sport is about?

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, obelisk said:

Still can't get my head around the idea that seeking to gain a sporting advantage is somehow classed sinful. Isn't that part of what professional sport is about?

because it is against the rules that the club and staff agreed to adhere to.

Pretty sure this has been covered many times over the last 2 months. the club, and Tonda, have not contested this

[Eire Saint]

5 hours ago, Badger said:

Makes a touchline ban seem pretty pointless. I’d prepare to be disappointed if that is what you’re expecting or want.

As someone else says, his offence wasn’t on the pitch, pitch side or even a matchday. I’m expecting it to be more far reaching (altjougn hope it isn’t). 

They did scenario planning for a touchline ban at yesterday's game and afterwards when interviewed Tonda said he hoped it wouldn't be required.

Pretty good reason to expect that's the sanction. 

[obelisk]

7 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

because it is against the rules that the club and staff agreed to adhere to.

Pretty sure this has been covered many times over the last 2 months. the club, and Tonda, have not contested this

I'm not talking about "the rules" really. The phrase "sporting advantage" is bandied around as if nobody ever seeks to use it. There are rules about financial fair play for instance but they get applied randomly depending on who can afford the best lawyers which is itself seeking to gain a sporting advantage. Tapping up and paying the best players huge salaries is gaining a sporting advantage but let's worry instead about someone lurking behind a tree watching a team who are practising in public view. The whole thing's got out of hand in my opinion. Just look at bleedin' FIFA for instance. It's laughable.

[Lighthouse]

3 minutes ago, obelisk said:

they get applied randomly depending on who can afford the best lawyers

So.... not randomly?

[obelisk]

Just now, Lighthouse said:

So.... not randomly?

Yes, randomly. Depending on whether the FA blazers have had a good lunch. 

[AlexLaw76]

6 minutes ago, obelisk said:

I'm not talking about "the rules" really. The phrase "sporting advantage" is bandied around as if nobody ever seeks to use it. There are rules about financial fair play for instance but they get applied randomly depending on who can afford the best lawyers which is itself seeking to gain a sporting advantage. Tapping up and paying the best players huge salaries is gaining a sporting advantage but let's worry instead about someone lurking behind a tree watching a team who are practising in public view. The whole thing's got out of hand in my opinion. Just look at bleedin' FIFA for instance. It's laughable.

Yes but the rules are pretty central to it all...we broke them in order to gain a sporting advantage with potential enormous consequences. 

[obelisk]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Yes but the rules are pretty central to it all...we broke them in order to gain a sporting advantage with potential enormous consequences. 

Oh I give up.

[bugenhagen]

I think with all rules, there are some you never break (or consider breaking) either becuse of your moral, ethics or the severe punishment.

Then there are some it's a little more easy to break, or that we sometimes consider breaking. Risk vs. reward and the likelyhood of getting caught.

Some people on here would never consider spying on another team, as it is breaking a rule, and their moral compass would say no. Others would say: it's no big deal, "everybody" does it.

The people at SFC clearly thought that the reward was bigger than the risk. They would not have done that if they knew that the punishment would be to be thrown out of the playoffs, and a 3 points deduction for every game in the Championship.

The problem we face when discussing this topic here is that some of us have respect for  this rule, while others of us don't.

Anyways, the punishment given in our case will make sure that nobody does this again, even if they respect the rule or not.

[LiberalCommunist]

This thread is going to blow up tomorrow morning. Can feel it in my bones. Judgment day. 

[bugenhagen]

10 minutes ago, LiberalCommunist said:

This thread is going to blow up tomorrow morning. Can feel it in my bones. Judgment day. 

Sure it's not just the weather? 😉

[hypochondriac]

23 minutes ago, bugenhagen said:

I think with all rules, there are some you never break (or consider breaking) either becuse of your moral, ethics or the severe punishment.

Then there are some it's a little more easy to break, or that we sometimes consider breaking. Risk vs. reward and the likelyhood of getting caught.

Some people on here would never consider spying on another team, as it is breaking a rule, and their moral compass would say no. Others would say: it's no big deal, "everybody" does it.

The people at SFC clearly thought that the reward was bigger than the risk. They would not have done that if they knew that the punishment would be to be thrown out of the playoffs, and a 3 points deduction for every game in the Championship.

The problem we face when discussing this topic here is that some of us have respect for  this rule, while others of us don't.

Anyways, the punishment given in our case will make sure that nobody does this again, even if they respect the rule or not.

Good post. And really you can argue about our punishment but clearly they didn't want this practice to ever happen again so from their perspective it's mission accomplished. That why I don't think they need to unnecessarily hammer Tonda because no one is going to be doing anything like this again unless they have a death wish. I know it's a punishment to him as an individual but if it was overly harsh it effectively punishes us too and they will know that prior to giving out the punishment.

[Starksj1995]

25 minutes ago, LiberalCommunist said:

This thread is going to blow up tomorrow morning. Can feel it in my bones. Judgment day. 

I hope we now tomorrow 

[SW11_Saint]

49 minutes ago, LiberalCommunist said:

This thread is going to blow up tomorrow morning. Can feel it in my bones. Judgment day. 

Think the same. Can’t go on any longer. 

[Saint86]

6 hours ago, rallyboy said:

I'd like to hear more guessing please, especially from people who still haven't quite grasped the difference between the EFL, the FA, FIFA and the RSPB

Thanks. 🙂

Think we're in this weird limbo currently where we wait for the decisions, and where the space is being dominated between the defend at all cost 'just a slap on the wrist' brigade, and the group that wanted him sacked immediately, still haven't forgiven what's happened, and keep telling us he's satan and will have the book thrown at him. Somewhere in the middle are the realists, who I would assume are expecting something between a 3-6 game touchline ban and a fine.

Edited just now by Saint86