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    I'd take a point but this one is winnable and we haven't done them at St Mary's since Beattie scored the winner in 2003.

    Not sure about 4-2-2-2, I think we'll get overrun. I'd bring in Bertrand and Armstrong for Adams and Vest and try a 4-2-3-1.

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    Considering Ings likes to drop deep to link play our 4-2-2-2 is very close to a 4-2-3-1.

    My only concern is that our defence looks a bit wobbly when put under pressure and really struggles against pace, especially in a 4.

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    Will be a bounce back game for Pogba no doubt.

    Think they will have too much for our fragile defence.

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    4-2-2-2 was causing us all sorts of problems today Brighton where doing us down both flanks rather go back to some variation of 3-5-2 against Utd like we did against Liverpool which has been our best performance this season so far.

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    I'd go with this, getting Romeu and Hojbjerg to sit and protect our back four!

    Leaving our front 4 to interchange and cause havoc for Uniteds defence. I think getting at Shaw is our best bet

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    343 for me

    Gunn
    Valery Yoshida Bednarek Danso Bertrand
    PEH Romeu
    Djenepo Adams Redmond

    Boufal/Ings/Armstrong can be the attacking subs. I see little need for Vestegaard as there are no target men and Utd attack are fairly fast, as were Pool’s last week so let’s have our slightly faster CB’s on.

    Usually, well 15 or more years ago we’d have said these are a Utd banker, but think we are more than in it should things go our way just like it did today.

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    Dunno about this. Think we'll be on the wrong side of a backlash reaction to todays result from them. If we can score first though who knows - De Gea looking distinctly dodgy these days. Would take a point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post
    I'd take a point but this one is winnable and we haven't done them at St Mary's since Beattie scored the winner in 2003.

    Not sure about 4-2-2-2, I think we'll get overrun. I'd bring in Bertrand and Armstrong for Adams and Vest and try a 4-2-3-1.
    And that was the last day of August too!

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    We need a striker, but Djenepo has looked insane in that left wing back position in the two times he's played it. I think the best lineup is:

    Gunn

    Vestergaard Danso Bednarek

    Valery JWP Hoj Djenepo

    Boufal Adams Redmond

    I think JWP over Romeu for now as 3atb is already very defensive and having Romeu in the middle is hamstringing our offensive capabilities with his poor negative passing. If we get a goal then we swap JWP to Rom, and Djenepo to Bertrand and defend our lead and hit them on the break.

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    Gunn

    Bed
    Danso
    Vest

    Valery
    Bertrand
    Hoj
    Rom

    Redmond
    Ings
    Djenepo


    McCarthy, Yoshida, Cedric, JwP, Boufal, Adams, Armstrong

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    At least Lukaku wont score for once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    Gunn

    Bed
    Danso
    Vest

    Valery
    Bertrand
    Hoj
    Rom

    Redmond
    Ings
    Djenepo


    McCarthy, Yoshida, Cedric, JwP, Boufal, Adams, Armstrong
    I don’t think he’ll leave out JWP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TWar View Post
    We need a striker, but Djenepo has looked insane in that left wing back position in the two times he's played it
    We had a spell of playing Bertrand left side of a 3 with Targett in front of him that worked well under Koeman, interesting to see how it would work with Bertrand/Djenepo.

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    As good as Djenepo has looked, he’s also picked up a yellow card within 10 minutes of coming on in both of his appearances. Think it’d be a big risk playing him at LWB from the start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by for_heaven's_Saint View Post
    As good as Djenepo has looked, hes also picked up a yellow card within 10 minutes of coming on in both of his appearances. Think itd be a big risk playing him at LWB from the start.
    But he reminds me so much of Mane....I am willing to forgive...

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    The United defence looked really shaky up against pace so I would start either Boufal or Djenepo. Would take a point. Fancy 2-2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by for_heaven's_Saint View Post
    As good as Djenepo has looked, he’s also picked up a yellow card within 10 minutes of coming on in both of his appearances. Think it’d be a big risk playing him at LWB from the start.
    This is a good point. He's not a starting wing back. If he's going to start he needs to be further forward.

    Hopefully Bertrand is available.

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    Play fairly well, deserve something but ultimately lose 3-2 seems to be a recurring theme against this lot. I miss the days of really fancying us against the better teams but that optimism was always built on a decent defence which we no longer have

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    If we win, we'll go 4th, win 2-0 we'll go 3rd .....

    Admittedly, it would only be for a few hours before the other games complete and we'd still have to win, but it would be nice to see our name next to Liverpool and Man City just for a temporary period.

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    Shaw & Martial could both miss the game.

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    I just can't quite work out where Man U are as a team. They lost a bit of the early Solskjaer swagger late last season, and it's too early to know this season whether it is back or not. I guess a point would be a good result...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saintandy666 View Post
    I just can't quite work out where Man U are as a team. They lost a bit of the early Solskjaer swagger late last season, and it's too early to know this season whether it is back or not. I guess a point would be a good result...
    It's not back, they look very ordinary, very poor at the back, hit and miss up front. The team is made up of very average (for Man U) players with a small sprinkling of stars, Pogba is blowing hot and cold. Defence slow and leaky. Outside of Liverpool and Citeh, all the others are there for the taking at the moment.

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    If Saints can perform at the top of their game, to man, then we’ve got a great chance of three points. Otherwise can see a 1-3 result. Our defence will be key to getting something from the game...no errors essential.

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    Their pace up top will be a challenge. But they're beatable and we're overdue a victory over them down here, particularly after fluffing our lines in December last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VectisSaint View Post
    It's not back, they look very ordinary, very poor at the back, hit and miss up front. The team is made up of very average (for Man U) players with a small sprinkling of stars, Pogba is blowing hot and cold. Defence slow and leaky. Outside of Liverpool and Citeh, all the others are there for the taking at the moment.
    Agree. If Martial is out, that is a benefit as hes one that has performed well. They are not the force they once were and our guys should want the chance to beat United.

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    Utd are certainly beatable; they have a very ropey defence, but a very pacey attack. Any decent winger has a chance of making Ashley Young look silly, which we certainly have options with. Could be a very entertaining game.

    Gunn
    Bednarak, Danso, Vestergaard
    Valery, JWP, Hoj, Bertrand
    Redmond, Ings, Djenepo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dazza82 View Post
    I'd go with this, getting Romeu and Hojbjerg to sit and protect our back four!

    Leaving our front 4 to interchange and cause havoc for Uniteds defence. I think getting at Shaw is our best bet

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    That works very well for me but it won't be how Ralph sees it sadly. He daren't leave out our local poster boy and of course he brought in Adams to the club. Boufal won't get a start under Hasenhtl.

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    Any chances we have will need to be put away against this lot. Can't afford to squander too many chances.

    Utd are there for the taking and Palace showed how to play against them which suits us, sit back and hit on the break with pace. I would have the front four as above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skintsaint View Post
    Any chances we have will need to be put away against this lot. Can't afford to squander too many chances.

    Utd are there for the taking and Palace showed how to play against them which suits us, sit back and hit on the break with pace. I would have the front four as above.
    Doubt we will see Redmond after he limped off last night.

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    Gunn

    Valery
    Bednarek
    Yoshida
    Danso
    Cedric

    Hojbjerg
    Romeu

    JWP
    Djenepo

    Adam’s

    Bench:

    McCarthy
    Vestergaard
    Vokins?
    Armstrong
    Boufal
    Ings
    Long

    Assuming Bertrand and Redmond can’t play. And Lemina.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benjii View Post
    Gunn

    Valery
    Bednarek
    Yoshida
    Danso
    Cedric

    Hojbjerg
    Romeu

    JWP
    Djenepo

    Adam’s

    Bench:

    McCarthy
    Vestergaard
    Vokins?
    Armstrong
    Boufal
    Ings
    Long

    Assuming Bertrand and Redmond can’t play. And Lemina.
    Shouldn't that be Ing's and Vokin's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Useful Idiot View Post
    Shouldn't that be Ing's and Vokin's?
    No, of course not. #education

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    Quote Originally Posted by benjii View Post
    No, of course not. #education
    He's making fun of the fact you called Adams "Adam's"

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    Quote Originally Posted by TWar View Post
    He's making fun of the fact you called Adams "Adam's"
    Yeah, Che Adam’s.

    Nothing to see hear.

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    Ralph said he’s not sure yet of how he wants to play against Man U. Formation etc. It’s Weds.

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    I would go 442 with Valery, Danso Bednarek, Bertrand; JWP Romeu, PEH, Armstrong; Ings and Adams.
    Djenepo and Boufal second half.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benjii View Post
    Yeah, Che Adam’s.

    Nothing to see hear.

    Brilliant! ‘Hear’ with Adam’s. Very funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benjii View Post
    This is a good point. He's not a starting wing back. If he's going to start he needs to be further forward.

    Hopefully Bertrand is available.
    Is he not a CB? Not sure why hes played out of position so far


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    Quote Originally Posted by DT View Post
    Is he not a CB? Not sure why he’s played out of position so far


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    Talking about Djenepo, boss, isn't it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by benjii View Post
    Yeah, Che Adam’s.

    Nothing to see hear.
    Nothing to see here!

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    Before anybody asks I am highlighting the need for an exclamation mark, I realise it was joke.

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    If we played 4-2-2-2 for the last 2 games and kept a clean sheets and won why would Ralph switch back to a 5 ?

    The LB is obviously the big unknown so would go for something like:


    Gunn

    Valery Bendarek Danso Bertrand

    Hoj Romeu

    Boufal Redmond (or JWP if injured) Djnepo

    Adams

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    Quote Originally Posted by saints-til-i-die View Post
    Ralph said hes not sure yet of how he wants to play against Man U. Formation etc. Its Weds.
    Could be due to unknown injuries, probably if bertrand is fit use a 4222 and if he isnt go 3421 with Djenepo at wing back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saints-til-i-die View Post
    Ralph said he’s not sure yet of how he wants to play against Man U. Formation etc. It’s Weds.
    Well he sure ain't going to tell a hack asking him the question what his strategy is for playing Man United, got to keep some secrets in these cameras/devices up every orifice world we live in. "Well I plan to play 4-5-1 with Yoshida protecting the back line, and I will be asking the groundsman to not make his planned last cut of the grass and definitely not to water it". Be like Christmas - "you see that present under the tree in the Holly paper - that's from me to you - its a Jagsaw puzzle".

    Or June 1944 "Field Marshall?! - Robert Smithers Daily Mail sir" "word is that you will be invading Europe on Monday from somewhere along the East coast landing in Calais Dunkirk and into Belgium is that correct?". "No Smithers - we shall be landing on the beaches of Normandy early Monday morning - weather permitting along a 50 mile front".

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    I'd try

    Gunn
    Valery. Bednarek. Danso. Bertrand
    Romeu. Hjbjerg
    Boufal. JWP. Djenepo
    Adams

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Wayman View Post
    Nothing to see here!
    Agreed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Convict Colony View Post
    If we played 4-2-2-2 for the last 2 games and kept a clean sheets and won why would Ralph switch back to a 5 ?

    The LB is obviously the big unknown so would go for something like:


    Gunn

    Valery Bendarek Danso Bertrand

    Hoj Romeu

    Boufal Redmond (or JWP if injured) Djnepo

    Adams
    Because those two matches were against:

    - one of the worst teams in the PL, that average about half a goal per home game

    and

    - a rotated second division team.

    Man U are a different proposition and have players like Martial and Rashford. Plus, it seems we don’t currently have a proper left back.

    However, the reality is that whatever system we play, the biggest factor will be individual performance levels and composure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Convict Colony View Post
    If we played 4-2-2-2 for the last 2 games and kept a clean sheets and won why would Ralph switch back to a 5 ?
    Both goals vs Brighton came when Saints were not playing 4222. It was a 3 central defender system for both goals.

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    On the assumption that Redmond is out for the foreseeable future and Bertrand is still on the naughty step....

    ---------------------------------- Gunn -------------------------------------

    ----------- Bednarek ----------- Danso -------------- Yoshida ------------

    Valery ------------------------------------------------------------ Hojbjerg

    ----------------- Ward-Prowse --------------- Romeu ---------------------

    ---- Djnepo --------------------- Adams ---------------------- Boufal ----

    Subs: McCarthy, Cedric, Vestergard, Armstrong, Long, Ings, Obefemi

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    Quote Originally Posted by trousers View Post
    On the assumption that Redmond is out for the foreseeable future and Bertrand is still on the naughty step....

    ---------------------------------- Gunn -------------------------------------

    ----------- Bednarek ----------- Danso -------------- Yoshida ------------

    Valery ------------------------------------------------------------ Hojbjerg

    ----------------- Ward-Prowse --------------- Romeu ---------------------

    ---- Djnepo --------------------- Adams ---------------------- Boufal ----

    Subs: McCarthy, Cedric, Vestergard, Armstrong, Long, Ings, Obefemi
    Playing catch up here - Bertrand on the naughty step??

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