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    Quote Originally Posted by Red View Post
    How is that lazy? It seems to be trend on here to criticise other posters views - and that is what it is a view - this is a forum where you post your view, and it's not the gospel truth. Who died and made you the king of anything? As far as I am concerned (and seemingly Ralph and all at the club) Danso has not been up to the mark - it happens - get over it. Or are you saying we should be giving Carillo, Wes et al more chances to prove themselves. This is exactly the malaise that has led us to our current predicament. Mistakes happen, but learn from them and move on quickly.

    Rather than criticize, why don't you offer an honest opinion on what to do with Danso and improve our current squad with the current restrictions - guessing you have no clue.
    I don’t know what to do with Danso as he’s not been given a run of games in his position of CB. That’s why I think it’s harsh to say he’s crap. If Ralph decides he doesn’t want him, fair enough. We signed him because he has potential, if he can be developed into a quality CB I’d be happy with that. I’ve said above what will happen ideally with our CB situation. I don’t think anyone has died.

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    Not really sure about this walker peters interest. From what I’ve seen of him he looks a bit passive not really looking to beat players and get down the flank but preferring to just lay the ball back with simple pass.. I think maehle sounds more interesting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    You are wrong about Les Reed. He was the main instigator in signing Carillo and Ross Wilson was instructed by RK and LR to get him signed. This was done to offer support to the manager.

    Danny RŲhl left for reasons that had nothing to do with Bayern Munich. Danny RŲhl was offered and accepted a position with Bayern 7 weeks after leaving Southampton FC.

    Ralph is at Southampton FC for the long term and together with the management and Matt Crocker, the intention is to build a viable and sustainable club which will be highly competitive in the Premier League. Ralph is not at all isolated. He has the support of the owners, management, backroom staff and the players and he is held in very high regard.

    Anyone can see that the club struggled after RK left so there is absolutely nothing revealing in stating that.
    I'm not sure what to make of you. You post some truths, some stuff that sounds plausible, and re Adams info which is wrong.

    Do you have a source or are you briefed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by egg View Post
    Yeah but loans come back and are still our problem, and will undoubtedly be loss making. We can't keep bringing players in without getting some kind of fee for those under contract but of no use to us. The mess is the decision to sign so much rubbish, but the fact is that we have, so the club has to be realistic and commercial. That's gotta mean a bit of loaning out and loaning in until deadwood is either out of contract or sold. It's far from ideal but it's where we are sadly.
    but Cedric will have gone by the time the loans come back?
    or cant we sign a RB until Cedric Long have gone and others have been sold?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    but Cedric will have gone by the time the loans come back?
    or cant we sign a RB until Cedric Long have gone and others have been sold?
    We need a RB to replace Cedric, but if our best option this window is KWP I'd rather we didn't bother. Would you rather sign him, or bide our time and get someone better in the window but perhaps cover with a loan in the interim? It's the latter for me.

    Re the principle of perm signings now whilst we have a bloated squad, I'd rather clear dead wood first before committing to purchases. It's the obvious thing to do, and personally, I'm glad the club seem intent in doing it that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red View Post
    Other than he's crap
    He was crap yesterday. Properly crap. But he was a CB playing at RB. If you look at his numerous **** ups they were basically due to him drifting into his natural position of CB and leaving (massive) gaps at RB. You could argue that as a professional footballer he should have the nouse not to do that, but you might also argue that if he was playing in his accustomed position he wouldn't be responsible for such an inept sh!tshow.
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    Would have loved us to bite Leeds hand off to take Adams of our hands and we go for Augustin. Instead Leeds get Augustin and we are stuck with Adams

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    Quote Originally Posted by egg View Post
    I'm not sure what to make of you. You post some truths, some stuff that sounds plausible, and re Adams info which is wrong.

    Do you have a source or are you briefed?
    In what way was my post regarding Che Adams incorrect? I believe he is still very much a Southampton FC player.

    The story surrounding Che Adams started when an article in the Yorkshire Evening Post claimed Leeds offered the Saints a loan fee with an obligation to sign him for £20m in the summer if Leeds managed to get promotion to the Premier League. It was then picked up by the trash press such as Hitc and Read Southampton. Both these so called 'football news' websites exist on repeating and embellishing rumours because it generates advertising income.

    The point is that Leeds can offer whatever they want to but if Saints do not want to sell and the player does not want to move then all the huff and puff in the world is not going to change that situation. All it could possibly achieve is to unsettle the player in question, which is likely to be the whole point of printing the story.

    There is truth that Saints are talking to Tottenham regarding Kyle Walker-Peters.

    I have not been briefed by the club at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Brightside View Post
    I don’t know what to do with Danso as he’s not been given a run of games in his position of CB. That’s why I think it’s harsh to say he’s crap. If Ralph decides he doesn’t want him, fair enough. We signed him because he has potential, if he can be developed into a quality CB I’d be happy with that. I’ve said above what will happen ideally with our CB situation. I don’t think anyone has died.
    Ok fair enough. Maybe my response was a bit harsh, but I don't think Danso is for us long term - agree he hasn't been given a chance in his normal position though.

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    FWIW Danso did play at CB for us away to fulham in the cup. We won 1-0 and he did well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by washsaint View Post
    Would have loved us to bite Leeds hand off to take Adams of our hands and we go for Augustin. Instead Leeds get Augustin and we are stuck with Adams
    To be honest, it may be a grass is always greener thing, Augustin did not have a good time in France in a league many average Premier league players have thrived in and his value has dropped through the floor since we were interested so maybe he was a bit overrated when we were looking at him. He also has 0 goals and 0 assists this season in a much easier league and is struggling to get in to a team languishing down in 13th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TWar View Post
    To be honest, it may be a grass is always greener thing, Augustin did not have a good time in France in a league many average Premier league players have thrived in and his value has dropped through the floor since we were interested so maybe he was a bit overrated when we were looking at him. He also has 0 goals and 0 assists this season in a much easier league and is struggling to get in to a team languishing down in 13th.

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    And to think Leipzig were rumoured to want £35m for him in the summer...

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    ^ 1 assist in the league and scored 1 assisted 1 in the cup.

    In the league he has only played 262 minutes so equivalent to 3 full games

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    be stunned if he is our manager next season, let alone 'long term'
    Knowing your track record on predictions (are we still "clearly going to get relegated" ? ) I think that I would prefer to believe Archangel rather than you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    ^ 1 assist in the league and scored 1 assisted 1 in the cup.

    In the league he has only played 262 minutes so equivalent to 3 full games
    Google betrayed me for the league, yes it seems like he did get one assist. And yeah, he hasn't played many games but is it not concerning he can't get games at a club who is 4 places lower than saints at a league that is much worse than the prem?

    He did well in a cup game but that's it. I think there is a reason JKA is going to a championship side for 11m as a striker who is 22, he really can't be that great, especially since Leeds offered almost double thay for Che.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TWar View Post
    Google betrayed me for the league, yes it seems like he did get one assist. And yeah, he hasn't played many games but is it not concerning he can't get games at a club who is 4 places lower than saints at a league that is much worse than the prem?

    He did well in a cup game but that's it. I think there is a reason JKA is going to a championship side for 11m as a striker who is 22, he really can't be that great, especially since Leeds offered almost double thay for Che.

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    Yes his reputation has dropped dramatically. Surprised Villa or WHU haven't taken a gamble as he definitely has talent.

    Possibly just needs a run of games and some TLC

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    Who was that useless Norwich striker some people were annoyed we didn’t sign a few years ago?

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    Ricky wolfswinkel

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    Quote Originally Posted by VectisSaint View Post
    Rohl's role at Bayern was not a backward step. He joined in similar role to what he had at Saints and what Richard K joined as, but in a much bigger club. He also must have known the writing was on the wall for Kovac and now that Flick is in charge at least for the interim Rohl is his main assistant. Can't see why anyone would be surprised at him moving to one of the biggest clubs in the world which just happens to be in your home country. His wife apparently was not over keen on moving permanently to the UK. It was a major loss for Ralph, he thought he could get by without him but soon realised that he couldn't do it all and Kitzbichler was brought in and his influence has grown, either because he is very good, or probably more likely it has allowed Ralph to focus on what he does best, and the result is the resurgence in our form, back to, probably exceeding last season.
    He didnít. He went to Bayern as assistant analyst coach, not assistant manager which he was at saints. The job is at lest two levels down from the one he had here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabrice29 View Post
    I like the fact that Hypos source seems to think Dave Coles still works at the club. Think I'll take the rest with a pinch of salt.
    He obviously means Watson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkish View Post
    He didnít. He went to Bayern as assistant analyst coach, not assistant manager which he was at saints. The job is at lest two levels down from the one he had here.
    He's done the football equivalent of going from being an assistant manager in tescos to stacking shelves in waitrose. Posher shop, but worse job.

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    While I don't doubt he sees us as a stepping stone, maybe the way the club backed him 100% after that 0-9 has bought us a bit more time with him. Perhaps he'll see out his contract, or even agree to a one year extension (with a get out clause if a giant club comes after him).

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    We should give Ralph a super deal with lucrative bonuses. Managers are so cheap compared to signing a player, so lets push the boat out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeG View Post
    We should give Ralph a super deal with lucrative bonuses. Managers are so cheap compared to signing a player, so lets push the boat out.
    Keeping a good one is also cheaper than sacking a crap one too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by egg View Post
    He's done the football equivalent of going from being an assistant manager in tescos to stacking shelves in waitrose. Posher shop, but worse job.
    Yep, that’s about the size of it. Not the sort of thing anyone would do by choice. I’m sure people will still deny it’s true though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    be stunned if he is our manager next season, let alone 'long term'
    Quote Originally Posted by Toadhall Saint View Post
    Why is that? Not saying you are right or wrong but you seem pretty sure
    Quote Originally Posted by Tamesaint View Post
    Knowing your track record on predictions (are we still "clearly going to get relegated" ? ) I think that I would prefer to believe Archangel rather than you.
    He'll have replenished his supply of "glad to be wrong" and "told you so" cards by the summer... #brokenclockphilosophy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toadhall Saint View Post
    Why is that? Not saying you are right or wrong but you seem pretty sure
    I said stunned. Not certain. He has recovered his rep more than hoped and our backing of him in the market has been pathetic since he has been here.
    If a mildly ambitious club comes and knocks on the door......

    If he is here this summer and half the squad leave. I bloody hope he is backed like Koeman was when he arrived.

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    I'll be proper ****ed off if we never get to see a squad assembled by Ralph without the restrictions of the gash big money signings we're lumbered with right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabrice29 View Post
    I like the fact that Hypos source seems to think Dave Coles still works at the club. Think I'll take the rest with a pinch of salt.
    I said coles not the people I spoke to. Its difficult to remember a load of details from a conversation over a few beers. Take it however you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Munster View Post
    While I don't doubt he sees us as a stepping stone, maybe the way the club backed him 100% after that 0-9 has bought us a bit more time with him. Perhaps he'll see out his contract, or even agree to a one year extension (with a get out clause if a giant club comes after him).
    Hopefully. All I'm saying is that is how he came into the club initially. He did offer his resignation after the 9-0 but we turned it down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    Hopefully. All I'm saying is that is how he came into the club initially. He did offer his resignation after the 9-0 but we turned it down.
    He looked resigned for a while before the game but after it seemed to regain some colour in his cheeks and some sparkle in his eyes, now he's back to his passionate self as we remember from when he first joined.
    We should really offer him a new 3 year contract with whatever he demands. So much cheaper and more forward thinking than trying to save money and risk paying compensation for another 3 failed managers.

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    I would hope Ralph would be here next season. I can’t see the obvious step up job currently unlike with koeman.

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    I'm hoping that Ralph was aware of the financial situation when he arrived and aware of the mess that Reed and Co had left us in. We all knew the clean up was going to take a few years.

    With Hoedt, Carrillo, Lemina, Moi, FF and possibly Boufal, Reed, Sims, Vesty and Adams sellable we could raise a few quid to allow Ralph 3-4 of his own additions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint_clark View Post
    He looked resigned for a while before the game but after it seemed to regain some colour in his cheeks and some sparkle in his eyes, now he's back to his passionate self as we remember from when he first joined.
    We should really offer him a new 3 year contract with whatever he demands. So much cheaper and more forward thinking than trying to save money and risk paying compensation for another 3 failed managers.

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    Yep. I think the club is in much safer hands now under the leadership of Martin selmayr. Seems to be an impressive individual who is aware of the mistakes of past regimes. Personally I think the 9-0 has had a galvanising effect not only on Ralph but on the club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post
    Sounds like a pretty reasonable long term plan to me. Replacing 32 year old Yoshida with 22 year old Danso as a back up option isnít the worst idea ever.
    Itís not a good idea either. Danso is not a good centre back and thereís a reason why he hasnít started in that position, probably not helped by his match for Austria in which he was shocking. I find it odd everyone criticised the potential signing of KWP, yet many are keen on a 4th choice CB who hasnít barely played for us in that position, barely played for us in any position. A huge and unjustified sense of optimism seems in hand here. A hope that Danso will miraculously start playing well and force himself into the starting 11 as first choice CB. I suppose itís possible but from from the noises Iím hearing, heíll be returned at the end of the season and we wonít be pursuing our option to buy. Waste of a large loan fee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by egg View Post
    I'm not sure what to make of you. You post some truths, some stuff that sounds plausible, and re Adams info which is wrong.

    Do you have a source or are you briefed?
    He also strongly hinted that Red Bull takeover talks were happening

    Anyone remember that Jack Schitt character?

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    Quote Originally Posted by egg View Post
    He's done the football equivalent of going from being an assistant manager in tescos to stacking shelves in waitrose. Posher shop, but worse job.
    Less than a season in and he's now listed on the Bayern Website as Assistant Coach - Analytics, third in the list of First Team Coaches after the Manager and another Assistant Coach. So he's basically gone from assistant manager at Tesco to Assistant Manager at Harrods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by verlaine1979 View Post
    Less than a season in and he's now listed on the Bayern Website as Assistant Coach - Analytics, third in the list of First Team Coaches after the Manager and another Assistant Coach. So he's basically gone from assistant manager at Tesco to Assistant Manager at Harrods.
    What he's doing now isn't the point - he didn't leave us for a bigger job at Bayern. He had to leave and subsequently took up a lesser role at Bayern.

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    Summer interest in Jeremie Frimpong, RB at Celtic (signed from City summer 2019).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusic View Post
    Summer interest in Jeremie Frimpong, RB at Celtic (signed from City summer 2019).

    Source: Ornstein, The Athletic
    He looks a very good player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    Yep. I think the club is in much safer hands now under the leadership of Martin selmayr. Seems to be an impressive individual who is aware of the mistakes of past regimes. Personally I think the 9-0 has had a galvanising effect not only on Ralph but on the club.
    I just hope the board realise itís far better (and cheaper) to get the structure in place and spend there rather than the speculative transfer fees on players.

    Compare Leicester to Man Utd, Brentford to Fulham, even Peterborough to the Skates, two different approaches, but it shows clubs can do well without breaking the bank on transfer expenditure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctoroncall View Post
    I just hope the board realise it’s far better (and cheaper) to get the structure in place and spend there rather than the speculative transfer fees on players.

    Compare Leicester to Man Utd, Brentford to Fulham, even Peterborough to the Skates, two different approaches, but it shows clubs can do well without breaking the bank on transfer expenditure.
    Leicester have spent a fortune, £350m since the start of 2016, yes they've made some great signings, Maddision and Evans for £3m was a blinding deal, but they've wasted a lot too, Slimani, Musa, Ineacho, Silva to name but 4 big money signings costing nearly £100m who have done nothing for them. Just adds to the point that saints aren't the only club who make bad signings on big wages yet we are the only club who has to sell to buy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusic View Post
    If we keep Stephens and Bednarek (his contract needs renewing) plus Danso then we can ideally lose the wages of Hoedt, Vestergaard and Yoshida which should allow us to bring in a good CB to compete to be a first choice.
    So what do we do with Alfie Jones, also 22. His contract is up in 18 months time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctoroncall View Post
    I just hope the board realise itís far better (and cheaper) to get the structure in place and spend there rather than the speculative transfer fees on players.

    Compare Leicester to Man Utd, Brentford to Fulham, even Peterborough to the Skates, two different approaches, but it shows clubs can do well without breaking the bank on transfer expenditure.
    I know he is particularly clear that the mistakes of the past regarding relying on the say so of one individual for signings (carillo and others) will not be happening on his watch. Expect signings we make to be thoroughly vetted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkish View Post
    Leicester have spent a fortune, £350m since the start of 2016, yes they've made some great signings, Maddision and Evans for £3m was a blinding deal, but they've wasted a lot too, Slimani, Musa, Ineacho, Silva to name but 4 big money signings costing nearly £100m who have done nothing for them. Just adds to the point that saints aren't the only club who make bad signings on big wages yet we are the only club who has to sell to buy.
    Leicester are an interesting one. We were apparently very close to signing four of their players. Maddison in particular was signing for us until a last minute change of heart. Emphasises the fine line between success and failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkish View Post
    Leicester have spent a fortune, £350m since the start of 2016, yes they've made some great signings, Maddision and Evans for £3m was a blinding deal, but they've wasted a lot too, Slimani, Musa, Ineacho, Silva to name but 4 big money signings costing nearly £100m who have done nothing for them. Just adds to the point that saints aren't the only club who make bad signings on big wages yet we are the only club who has to sell to buy.
    Well its about 306m in and 246m out in the last 4 years and for one of those years they must have earned a huge amount from the champions league and blown it on the likes of Slimani.
    They have a decent owner too unlike us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkish View Post
    Leicester have spent a fortune, £350m since the start of 2016, yes they've made some great signings, Maddision and Evans for £3m was a blinding deal, but they've wasted a lot too, Slimani, Musa, Ineacho, Silva to name but 4 big money signings costing nearly £100m who have done nothing for them. Just adds to the point that saints aren't the only club who make bad signings on big wages yet we are the only club who has to sell to buy.
    The CL money certainly helped Leicester in record profits which were used to spend big on transfers and as you say, much of it wasted (so why change?), but still much less than United for the comparison. If you look at infrastructure investment of the two clubs which adds to the point (£100m over two years vs £100m over ten years), youíll see a difference in focus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusic View Post
    Summer interest in Jeremie Frimpong, RB at Celtic (signed from City summer 2019).

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    Will this still happen if we sign KWP though, which seemingly is now likely? Assuming Cedric moves on, we still have Valery who you would think would be backup for KWP. I suspect Frimpong was an alternative target and will now be passed over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VectisSaint View Post
    Will this still happen if we sign KWP though, which seemingly is now likely? Assuming Cedric moves on, we still have Valery who you would think would be backup for KWP. I suspect Frimpong was an alternative target and will now be passed over.
    We're surely not signing Spurs' fourth choice right back to be our starting right back, are we?

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