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    Bidet plc shares rocketing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raging Bull View Post
    The wife is a civil servant and the department she works for sent a 10 point list through of key points.

    One of the points stated that this virus doesn’t like temperatures of 27+. This might explain why countries like India currently don’t have much of an issue (temperatures around 30+), and countries that are in/going through/coming out of winter are struggling.

    Here’s hoping for a blazing summer
    Seems to do alright in humans with their 35-36C temperatures....

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    Quote Originally Posted by buctootim View Post
    Better tell the UK's Chief Scientific Adviser that.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...rnments-chief/
    He is speculating as well so Igsey was quite right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Picard View Post
    He is speculating as well so Igsey was quite right.
    Nope. Igsey said it was untrue. He was speculating

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raging Bull View Post
    The wife is a civil servant and the department she works for sent a 10 point list through of key points.

    One of the points stated that this virus doesn’t like temperatures of 27+. This might explain why countries like India currently don’t have much of an issue (temperatures around 30+), and countries that are in/going through/coming out of winter are struggling.

    Here’s hoping for a blazing summer
    Looks like climate change could have a benefit after all.

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    Must be a lot of doctors talking about this on Youtube but this one seems reasonable.


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    What a great video - calm and rational!!

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    24 minutes for "vital global information" no thanks

    Give me a one page infographic and I'll crack on with my day.

    Or shorten the video to <2 mins

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    Assuming 80% of us get this, can we get it twice??

    If not then surely there comes a point where the mass panic will calm down because we’ll have had it and built an immunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raging Bull View Post
    Assuming 80% of us get this, can we get it twice??

    If not then surely there comes a point where the mass panic will calm down because we’ll have had it and built an immunity.
    Another question is, have some of us already had it and not known?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Billy View Post
    Another question is, have some of us already had it and not known?
    Undoubtedly. It’s been around since November. But there’s really no way of knowing if you’ve had it and you’re not susceptible to the serious symptoms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raging Bull View Post

    If not then surely there comes a point where the mass panic will calm down because we’ll have had it and built an immunity.
    This is what our Government is banking on. They appear to believe it’s unavoidable,and once it spreads through the country, eventually it’ll result in less deaths long term. However, this approach will result in people dying early. The approach of other countries is that a lock down will stop the virus. Whilst that’ll result in less deaths in the short and medium term, may well result in more deaths long term.

    If the virus returns in Oct /Nov clearly we’ll be better prepared as we’ll have some immunity. The other approach only works if the virus ****s off permanently, or a vaccine is found. If it does return & there’s no vaccine , I’d certainly rather be in our shoes than others (that’s provided I don’t peg it during this stage ).







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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Billy View Post
    Another question is, have some of us already had it and not known?
    This is the thing. My daughter, for example, was complaining of not being able to breathe properly on the lead up to Christmas. Plus we’ve all (as a family) had odd feelings/afternoons in bed over the last 3 months.

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    The guy I work for who is 72 went to the Philippines for Christmas and can back with a dry cough and flu like symptoms. It went on for a few weeks before he got better. Makes you wonder!

    Just saw the front page of the Mail. No surprise there after what they are doing with us oldies in Italy. 66 years old with a heart condition. I guess I won’t make it through triage. Happy days.

    Meant to be seeing some old school friends in Oxford in a couple of weeks but that trip has just been cancelled.

    The village hall has a play on this coming Thursday but that looks like it will be cancelled.

    I have been putting off painting the bathroom. Seems like a good time to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    I have been putting off painting the bathroom. Seems like a good time to do it.
    I’d rather catch the virus.

    Also heard that this thing is here for at least 2 years

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    Probably. Swine Flu is still around isn’t it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weston Super Saint View Post
    Seems to do alright in humans with their 35-36C temperatures....
    It's to do with the dryness as well. In a mouth it's the wetness and protection from UV etc that keeps it "alive."
    Out in the sunlight in dry heat it doesn't last long.

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    10 more UK deaths. Spain now in complete lockdown. Keep washing those hands everyone please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LGTL View Post
    10 more UK deaths. Spain now in complete lockdown. Keep washing those hands everyone please.
    Any ages or locations given? Is slightly odd that no profiles or details given so far of these fatalities

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    Quote Originally Posted by LGTL View Post
    10 more UK deaths. Spain now in complete lockdown. Keep washing those hands everyone please.
    good advice. If you are self isolating, better stay in for the next few months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    Any ages or locations given? Is slightly odd that no profiles or details given so far of these fatalities
    London, Leicester and Birmingham and all victims apparently in the “at risk” group.

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    Hundreds of members of the scientific community have sent two open letters to the British government, voicing their concerns about the government’s response to the coronavirus outbreak.

    One comes from 198 academics in the field of maths and science , calling for urgent measures of social distancing across the UK.

    It says: “Going for “herd immunity” at this point does not seem a viable option, as this will put NHS at an even stronger level of stress, risking many more lives than necessary.”

    Another letter has been signed by 164 behavioural scientists. It raises concerns about the idea of ‘behavioural fatigue’ - the idea that if the public are instructed to take preventative measures too early, they’ll eventually revert back to prior behaviour.

    The letter suggests that this has been a cornerstone of British government policy on coronavirus and sheds doubt on the evidence behind this.

    “While we fully support an evidence-based approach to policy that draws on behavioural science, we are not convinced that enough is known about “behavioural fatigue” or to what extent these insights apply to the current exceptional circumstances,” it says.

    “If “behavioural fatigue” truly represents a key factor in the government’s decision to delay high-visibility interventions, we urge the government to share an adequate evidence base in support of that decision. If one is lacking, we urge the government to reconsider these decisions,” it ends.

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    Has Johnson said “Let’s get Covid-19 done” yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    Has Johnson said “Let’s get Covid-19 done” yet?
    Bit stupid trying to make this a political thing. The whole world is suffering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whelk View Post
    Bit stupid trying to make this a political thing. The whole world is suffering.
    A bit stupid? It's retarded. Almost as idiotic as the far left twitter replies to the news that nadone dories has the virus.
    Last edited by hypochondriac; 14-03-2020 at 04:00 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whelk View Post
    Bit stupid trying to make this a political thing. The whole world is suffering.
    He managed to slip in “Let’s get Bewdley” done when visiting flooded areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnyboy View Post
    It's to do with the dryness as well. In a mouth it's the wetness and protection from UV etc that keeps it "alive."
    Out in the sunlight in dry heat it doesn't last long.
    Manchester's ****ed then

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    A bit stupid? It's retarded. Almost as idiotic as the far left twitter replies to the news that nadone dories has the virus.
    Carole Cadwalladr is loving this at the moment..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    Carole Cadwalladr is loving this at the moment..
    They really are the worst type of people.

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    It didn't take Cummings long to start throwing his own voters under a bus.
    He's ruthless that boy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    Carole Cadwalladr is loving this at the moment..
    What's she done?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    A bit stupid? It's retarded. Almost as idiotic as the far left twitter replies to the news that nadone dories has the virus.
    Johnson, like Trump, spits out glib throwaway lines when dealing with major issues in the hope that people will think they have things under control. They clearly don’t.

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    In a recent poll only 36% trust in what Johnson says and is doing about the situation. This is not about playing politics. This is about competency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shurlock View Post
    What's she done?
    Refused to accept that the Government has a clear, coherent, and effective strategy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    In a recent poll only 36% trust in what Johnson says and is doing about the situation. This is not about playing politics. This is about competency.
    Were these people polled outside of the supermarket, after a punch up over loo roll??

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    Johnson, like Trump, spits out glib throwaway lines when dealing with major issues in the hope that people will think they have things under control. They clearly don’t.
    Give it a ****ing rest.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    Johnson, like Trump, spits out glib throwaway lines when dealing with major issues in the hope that people will think they have things under control. They clearly don’t.
    You've got absolutely no idea. This isn't Johnson's plan, he's following the scientific advice of people miles smarter than me or you. It could be wrong but to suggest that somehow it's some sort of vanity thing or that he isn't doing anything is pig ignorant and pathetic because you hate the tories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    Johnson, like Trump, spits out glib throwaway lines when dealing with major issues in the hope that people will think they have things under control. They clearly don’t.
    It's a contagious, airbourne virus with no current vaccine.

    Enlighten us, how exactly is it possible to 'get things under control'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weston Super Saint View Post
    It's a contagious, airbourne virus with no current vaccine.

    Enlighten us, how exactly is it possible to 'get things under control'?
    It’s nice that you apparently have confidence in our leader. It would seem that the majority of the country don’t agree with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    It’s nice that you apparently have confidence in our leader. It would seem that the majority of the country don’t agree with you.
    On the contrary, it would seem that, as confirmed only a few months ago, that the majority of the country don’t agree with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    You've got absolutely no idea. This isn't Johnson's plan, he's following the scientific advice of people miles smarter than me or you. It could be wrong but to suggest that somehow it's some sort of vanity thing or that he isn't doing anything is pig ignorant and pathetic because you hate the tories.
    Quite. Playing party politics right now is just about the must vulgar thing that could happen. Quite rightly, science is leading the way.

    To equate the the rights and wrongs of the scientific route with the politics is simply madness.
    Last edited by Colinjb; 14-03-2020 at 09:18 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    It’s nice that you apparently have confidence in our leader. It would seem that the majority of the country don’t agree with you.
    I'm under no illusion that this is not Boris's doing! He is taking his advice from the qualified people who know far better than him!

    So, tell us, how should they go about 'getting things under control'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colinjb View Post
    Quite. Playing party politics right now is just about the must vulgar thing that could happen. Quite rightly, science is leading the way.

    To equate the the rights and wrongs of the scientific route with the politics is simply madness.
    It’s not all about science but executing a plan of action with many stakeholders. The biggest of which are the people. There are many others from supermarkets, schools, HCPs, local authorities, labs, medical kit manufacturers, etc etc. It seems not many know what to do hence you are seeing businesses and organisations dictating policy to protect their workers (and hence their business).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weston Super Saint View Post
    I'm under no illusion that this is not Boris's doing! He is taking his advice from the qualified people who know far better than him!

    So, tell us, how should they go about 'getting things under control'?
    Other countries have taken more serious actions earlier to try an deal with it. Why haven’t we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weston Super Saint View Post
    It's a contagious, airbourne virus with no current vaccine.

    Enlighten us, how exactly is it possible to 'get things under control'?
    The Chinese seem to be getting it under control

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    It’s nice that you apparently have confidence in our leader. It would seem that the majority of the country don’t agree with you.
    Well the Conservatives are currently streets ahead in the polls and the latest survey on response to the crisis shows people supporting the government's approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctoroncall View Post
    It’s not all about science but executing a plan of action with many stakeholders. The biggest of which are the people. There are many others from supermarkets, schools, HCPs, local authorities, labs, medical kit manufacturers, etc etc. It seems not many know what to do hence you are seeing businesses and organisations dictating policy to protect their workers (and hence their business).
    Exactly. And let’s be clear: while scientists will provide significant input/advice, it will usually be in the form of a menu of choices/options from which the PM will still ‘choose’. Likewise the PM will be critical in defining the problem and it’s constraints to which experts will then find the best solution(s) from all feasible solutions.
    Last edited by shurlock; 14-03-2020 at 10:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Picard View Post
    The Chinese seem to be getting it under control
    Confucius wept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctoroncall View Post
    Hundreds of members of the scientific community have sent two open letters to the British government, voicing their concerns about the government’s response to the coronavirus outbreak.

    One comes from 198 academics in the field of maths and science , calling for urgent measures of social distancing across the UK.

    It says: “Going for “herd immunity” at this point does not seem a viable option, as this will put NHS at an even stronger level of stress, risking many more lives than necessary.”

    Another letter has been signed by 164 behavioural scientists. It raises concerns about the idea of ‘behavioural fatigue’ - the idea that if the public are instructed to take preventative measures too early, they’ll eventually revert back to prior behaviour.

    The letter suggests that this has been a cornerstone of British government policy on coronavirus and sheds doubt on the evidence behind this.

    “While we fully support an evidence-based approach to policy that draws on behavioural science, we are not convinced that enough is known about “behavioural fatigue” or to what extent these insights apply to the current exceptional circumstances,” it says.

    “If “behavioural fatigue” truly represents a key factor in the government’s decision to delay high-visibility interventions, we urge the government to share an adequate evidence base in support of that decision. If one is lacking, we urge the government to reconsider these decisions,” it ends.
    I wonder why out of all the experts the government have chosen the **** ones.

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    Want ti know what the govt is doing?
    Make sure you get a Telegraph subscription


    https://twitter.com/MattHancock/stat...60146342084609
    Last edited by whelk; 14-03-2020 at 10:14 PM.

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