sotonnick Posted 6 November, 2015 Share Posted 6 November, 2015 Preview now up on: http://theitchenperspective.blogspot.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintZamboni Posted 6 November, 2015 Share Posted 6 November, 2015 He doesn't have the attacking instincts to play that position IMO apart from in games where you just want to sit back and are happy to reduce your level of attacking threat. Not creative enough in his movement, touches or passing. I don't think that's an entirely fair judgment. Look at his stats and yes, he's short of Davis, Mane and Tadic but not much and doesn't play with the regularity or attacking instruction of the others. I'm sure Davis' game must influence JWP and an only help his future options for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 6 November, 2015 Share Posted 6 November, 2015 I don't think that's an entirely fair judgment. Look at his stats and yes, he's short of Davis, Mane and Tadic but not much and doesn't play with the regularity or attacking instruction of the others. I'm sure Davis' game must influence JWP and an only help his future options for us. Its not a question of fair or not. In 100 games he hasnt shown a lot to suggest he can make it in the PL as an advanced midfielder who will trouble other teams. Ask Matic, Cattermole, Surman, Yacob, Schneiderlin or Can and all would say they would prefer to face JWP as a "no10" than Mane or Davis. He isnt that type of player. He is a deep lying playmaker who at the moment isn't strong enough or aggressive enough to play that role as a first choice unless he played in either a slower league, or in a team having 70% possession every game. Academy players should definitely be pushed into the team, and JWP IMO has been given a lot of game time relative to his performance. But right now he isn't effective enough to be a starter in our team when everyone is fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintTex Posted 6 November, 2015 Share Posted 6 November, 2015 Harrison Reed, not Romeu for me. Romeu will probably play though, pick up a booking in the first twenty minutes for being a slow-motion Schneiderlin and then get subbed off for JWP at half-time. Reed done a brilliant job at Toon last year and I reckon him, Clasie and van Dijk could pretty much dominate that midfield. ---------------------------------Stekelenburg -Bertrand---------------Fonte-------------------Yoshida---------------Cedric -------------------Clasie------------van Dijk-----------Reed -Tadic-------------------------------------------------------------------Mane ------------------------------------Pellethis is a really good line up if Sunderland decides to place the goal they are defending at the half-way line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 6 November, 2015 Share Posted 6 November, 2015 Sunderland manager Sam Allardyce: "We have got to learn the lessons of going gung-ho. That's what we did (in last week's 6-2 defeat at Everton) - we said, we'll go and win it, and we've got to be more responsible. "We're not in a position where we have to win our next game - we are more in a position where we must not lose it. "If we get a point then we should respect it, because another point after that will eventually lead to a win and that breeds confidence. "If you continue to go for a win and end up losing, then you're in a pickle." Sounds like Big Sam's boys are going to sit back and play for the 0-0 draw to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No 2 to Maybush Posted 6 November, 2015 Share Posted 6 November, 2015 Personally think JWP will be a better player than Clasie, also would prefer JWP to be playing most weeks, or he'll be off. Club needs to show it'll prioritise youth products if the standard between the player is very little IMO. Even if it means weakening the starting 11? That's very brave. Have we got 40 points already? No, you play your strongest team, and that doesn't include JWP at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 6 November, 2015 Share Posted 6 November, 2015 Even if it means weakening the starting 11? That's very brave. Have we got 40 points already? No, you play your strongest team, and that doesn't include JWP at the moment. Personally don't think it weakens the team, think they're both at a similar level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USA SaintsFan Posted 6 November, 2015 Share Posted 6 November, 2015 Sunderland manager Sam Allardyce: "We have got to learn the lessons of going gung-ho. That's what we did (in last week's 6-2 defeat at Everton) - we said, we'll go and win it, and we've got to be more responsible. "We're not in a position where we have to win our next game - we are more in a position where we must not lose it. "If we get a point then we should respect it, because another point after that will eventually lead to a win and that breeds confidence. "If you continue to go for a win and end up losing, then you're in a pickle." Sounds like Big Sam's boys are going to sit back and play for the 0-0 draw to me. If so, I'd be tempted to play Ramirez, as he is one of our most creative players that could break down a Sunderland team set up to defend. S. Davis is undropable at the moment IMO becuase of current form, so I would slot him into the defensive midfield place, to play a more attacking game. Stek Cedric Fonte Van Dijk Betrand Davis Romeu Ramirez Tadic. Pelle. Mane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 6 November, 2015 Share Posted 6 November, 2015 If so, I'd be tempted to play Ramirez, as he is one of our most creative players that could break down a Sunderland team set up to defend. S. Davis is undropable at the moment IMO becuase of current form, so I would slot him into the defensive midfield place, to play a more attacking game. Stek Cedric Fonte Van Dijk Betrand Davis Romeu Ramirez Tadic. Pelle. Mane Got to stick with the previous starting XI, but with Romeu in for VW. If that team struggles to break down a Sunderland side set out to pinch a 0-0 (and well they might - Davis has done well to get in the goals this season but I still don't see him as anything more than a water carrier creatively) then it would be good to have Ramirez on the bench as an option with 30 mins to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 6 November, 2015 Share Posted 6 November, 2015 I'd stick with last weeks team other than Romeu in for big Vic. If it's 0-0 after 65 mins JWP offers a real threat at set pieces Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 6 November, 2015 Share Posted 6 November, 2015 Lee Catermole yellow card sweep stake. Anyone? 12th min for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 6 November, 2015 Share Posted 6 November, 2015 Lee Catermole yellow card sweep stake. Anyone? 12th min for me injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 6 November, 2015 Share Posted 6 November, 2015 injured. change the name to Romeu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 6 November, 2015 Share Posted 6 November, 2015 In the airport bar on the way to Newcastle. All the ales are off so I'm having to drink horrible lager while they play Snow Patrol. This sort of bad start to the weekend can only mean we'll lose. It's barely even worth me getting on the plane now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5string Posted 6 November, 2015 Share Posted 6 November, 2015 Sunderland manager Sam Allardyce: "We have got to learn the lessons of going gung-ho. That's what we did (in last week's 6-2 defeat at Everton) - we said, we'll go and win it, and we've got to be more responsible. "We're not in a position where we have to win our next game - we are more in a position where we must not lose it. "If we get a point then we should respect it, because another point after that will eventually lead to a win and that breeds confidence. "If you continue to go for a win and end up losing, then you're in a pickle." Sounds like Big Sam's boys are going to sit back and play for the 0-0 draw to me. Bus has been parked already, and it's not even reached the car park! Sunderland's formation this week: 6-3-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 6 November, 2015 Share Posted 6 November, 2015 Bus has been parked already, and it's not even reached the car park! Sunderland's formation this week: 6-3-1 This. But I'd like to think we're still good enough for the win. If they sit back and defend it should allow us to commit more attacking threat. 2-0 saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 Just cannot see us winning this. Every time we have gone there is recent times we've failed to win.Think Sunderland will frustrate us and get a lucky deflected goal for a 1-0 win. Sent from my D5803 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 This is the day that Saints will win at Sunderland. Lawro thinks it will be a draw.I believe we will come away with three well deserved points. COYS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 We'll shock everyone by playing well for fully 70 minutes, before letting them back in by sitting too deep and inviting pressure. Hoping for 3 goals before that point. VvD to score and get MOTM. Sunderland 1-3 Saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 I predict we score at least 1 in a fine first half performance. We let them back in with a wretched 2nd half showing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 Yeah I have zero faith in a positive result here, despite the fact they're easily the worst side in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 The weather might play a big part here.... Are our lot up for a wet and windy cold day in the North East ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 The weather might play a big part here.... Are our lot up for a wet and windy cold day in the North East ? Might have to play it on the deck then rather than aim for Pelle's head all game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 Big sam will have them organised and tight if nothing else. A difficult game to predict but we do seem to play better away from home lately, 0-0 or 1--1 for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5string Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 (edited) This. But I'd like to think we're still good enough for the win. If they sit back and defend it should allow us to commit more attacking threat. 2-0 saints. I'd like to think this season we might be better at breaking down opposition who sit back and defend. Last season we just couldn't do it, relying on opposing sides 'gung-ho' tactics to gain big wins (ref: Villa, Sunderland). We're a bit more canny this year. Edited 7 November, 2015 by 5string added a word, dontcha know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardc Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 we only ever lose to weak teams when we think we are going to win looks like the consensus is we will lose which will mean we will win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris27687 Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 Whilst I predicted the first hammering of the season last week - it really could happen at Sunderland today. If we can put together a performance of two halves we could easily get a bunch - sadly we'll probably be great for 1 half and then switch off. 2-0 saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 The weather might play a big part here.... Are our lot up for a wet and windy cold day in the North East ? It wasn't exactly tropical conditions when we played Bournemouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Lej Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 Harrison Reed, not Romeu for me. Romeu will probably play though, pick up a booking in the first twenty minutes for being a slow-motion Schneiderlin and then get subbed off for JWP at half-time. Reed done a brilliant job at Toon last year and I reckon him, Clasie and van Dijk could pretty much dominate that midfield. That said, that would mean we would have to start Yoshida alongside Fonte. **** it, I'd take the risk. ---------------------------------Stekelenburg -Bertrand---------------Fonte-------------------Yoshida---------------Cedric -------------------Clasie------------van Dijk-----------Reed -Tadic-------------------------------------------------------------------Mane ------------------------------------Pelle Subs; Davis, Caulker, S Davis, JWP, Romeu, Juanmi, Ramirez. (assuming Rodriguez, Long aren't fit) With each post that you submit, especially after your summer 2014 outbursts, you lose more and more credibility. Are you seriously suggesting this team? No Davis even though in his best form for ages? Yoshida at CB even though VVD fit? VVD out of position in midfield? Harrison Reed to start when previously been nowhere the team? Words fails me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 Its not a question of fair or not. In 100 games he hasnt shown a lot to suggest he can make it in the PL as an advanced midfielder who will trouble other teams. Ask Matic, Cattermole, Surman, Yacob, Schneiderlin or Can and all would say they would prefer to face JWP as a "no10" than Mane or Davis. He isnt that type of player. He is a deep lying playmaker who at the moment isn't strong enough or aggressive enough to play that role as a first choice unless he played in either a slower league, or in a team having 70% possession every game. Academy players should definitely be pushed into the team, and JWP IMO has been given a lot of game time relative to his performance. But right now he isn't effective enough to be a starter in our team when everyone is fit. Completely agree and saints Garrett to say we should play academy graduates even tho they aren't good enough is a joke right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 Pantilimon Yedlin - Kaboul - Coates - Jones Johnson - Gomez - M'Villa - Toivonen - Watmore Fletcher According to their forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 Pantilimon Yedlin - Kaboul - Coates - Jones Johnson - Gomez - M'Villa - Toivonen - Watmore Fletcher According to their forum. They'll definitely try and pin our full-backs back. 3 points there for the taking. They haven't got that much hard tackling in the middle of the pitch. Clasie's passing from midfield could really open them up. Reckon we need Tadic on the left and Mane right to make the pitch nice and wide when we push forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 1-0 Sunderland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 Davis, Clasie and Ward-Prowse in midfield. Yoshida at right back. Cedric on the bench. We could win, but with that selection we're going all out for a loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 Ron has a hard-on for yoshida. Must be part of the excellent man management of Cedric to why he is dropped Rom on bench. JWP in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 Bizarre Saints selection. How the **** Cedric isn't preferred to Yoshida I will never know. Smallest ever PL midfield 3 too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 Yoshida in for Cédric and Ward-Prowse in for Wanyama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 Line up: Stek Yoshida Fonte VVD Bertrand Clasie JWP Davis Mane Tadic Pelle Yoshida at RB and a ligfhtweight CM 3 doesn't really bode well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 Can see us getting bullied in midfield now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 Yoshida in for Cédric and Ward-Prowse in for Wanyama Urgh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 So, Yoshida in for Cedric and JWP in for Wanyama. Three defenders on the bench but no Reed or Ramirez. A bit odd, if you ask me (assuming not injury enforced). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 Sunderland AFC @SunderlandAFC Sunderland XI v Southampton: Pantilimon, Jones, Kaboul ©, Coates, Yedlin, M’Vila, Gomez, Toivonen, Johnson, Watmore, Fletcher. Sunderland AFC @SunderlandAFC Subs: Mannone, van Aanholt, Brown, Rodwell, Borini, Lens, Defoe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 Yoshida howler sweepstake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stmusicdude Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 Yoshida howler sweepstake? Batman negative post sweepstake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 Can see us getting bullied in midfield now. Is a midfield trio of Clasie/JWP/S.Davis too small or not? We shall see that question answered today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 Can only think without Wanyama that Ron is worried on defending set plays. But you lose so much when a CB plays instead of a proper RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 Horrible line-up that? Seems weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 Another one of Ronald's weird selections. Midget midfield to cope with bfs hoof ball. Really don't get the Cedric thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 Probably going to mean Davis is shunted back to the holding position he isn't as good in so JWP can mess about thinking he is an attacking midfielder. Weird selection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrensup Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 Why CB at RB, no makey sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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