egg Posted 13 December, 2021 Share Posted 13 December, 2021 2 minutes ago, Turkish said: But remember of the 1700 or so people who died in the UK today Boris has found one who tested positive for Omicron in the last 28 days. So work from home and get your booster so you can have you vaccine passport you cretinous individual So will you be declining your booster Del? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 December, 2021 Share Posted 13 December, 2021 (edited) Just now, egg said: So will you be declining your booster Del? Had it mate before all this nonsense as well Edited 13 December, 2021 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 13 December, 2021 Share Posted 13 December, 2021 6 minutes ago, Turkish said: Had it mate before all this nonsense as well I am also curious if why will the COVID pass rules change to reflect the need for 3 jabs once most adults have had it. Surely by them, we won't need COVID passes?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 13 December, 2021 Share Posted 13 December, 2021 Omicron looks like it is hyper-infectious but hypo-virulent. As such it is probably going to be the end stage, run-out variant, transitioning from pandemic status to a background endemic coronavirus, just like the common cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 December, 2021 Share Posted 13 December, 2021 Just now, AlexLaw76 said: I am also curious if why will the COVID pass rules change to reflect the need for 3 jabs once most adults have had it. Surely by them, we won't need COVID passes?! You’re surprised? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 13 December, 2021 Share Posted 13 December, 2021 1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said: I am also curious if why will the COVID pass rules change to reflect the need for 3 jabs once most adults have had it. Surely by them, we won't need COVID passes?! I think it's inevitable that 3 jabs for a pass, and a pass to do most things, is coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 13 December, 2021 Share Posted 13 December, 2021 Just now, egg said: I think it's inevitable that 3 jabs for a pass, and a pass to do most things, is coming. It will never go away one way or another. We all know it deep down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 13 December, 2021 Share Posted 13 December, 2021 1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said: It will never go away one way or another. We all know it deep down Yep, sure is. The panic in people since Boris's announcement is unbelievable. Christmas events being cancelled all over the place, and people looking like the world is ending. Gotta live with this and crack on with life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 13 December, 2021 Share Posted 13 December, 2021 (edited) This Pass thing is brilliant. I'm looking forward to Climate Emergency Passes. The selfish, antisocial swines who haven't gone vegan, got electric cars, solar panels, and ground source heating should be excluded from society, humiliated and interned in camps. Then exterminated. Edited 13 December, 2021 by adrian lord 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 December, 2021 Share Posted 13 December, 2021 4 minutes ago, egg said: Yep, sure is. The panic in people since Boris's announcement is unbelievable. Christmas events being cancelled all over the place, and people looking like the world is ending. Gotta live with this and crack on with life. They’ve spread the fear though with all the scare mongering about the “tidal wave of omicron coming our way” 1m cases by Christmas and all the other nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 13 December, 2021 Share Posted 13 December, 2021 Just now, Turkish said: They’ve spread the fear though with all the scare mongering about the “tidal wave of omicron coming our way” 1m cases by Christmas and all the other nonsense. Omicron emergency, cancelling thousands of appointments, turfing patients out of hospitals into hotels. GET BOOSTED NOW! It is a total farce 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 13 December, 2021 Share Posted 13 December, 2021 Just now, Turkish said: They’ve spread the fear though with all the scare mongering about the “tidal wave of omicron coming our way” 1m cases by Christmas and all the other nonsense. Yep. The youngsters at work are shitting themselves. Sad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 13 December, 2021 Share Posted 13 December, 2021 1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said: They can pass on the infection to those around them some of whom may well be unvaccinated themselves for whatever reason. Even those who are vaccinated are not fully protected and there are those people who are vulnerable through no fault of their own. In short, it would be very selfish and antisocial behaviour. Being unvaccinated does not make them permanently infected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 December, 2021 Share Posted 14 December, 2021 53 minutes ago, RedArmy said: Being unvaccinated does not make them permanently infected. True. Sometimes they die. It’s the period whilst they’re infectious that’s the problem. Surely the basics are obvious? If you’re unvaccinated then you’re much more likely to spread the disease than if you’re vaccinated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy the Kidd Posted 14 December, 2021 Share Posted 14 December, 2021 I think you are all forgetting the sheer weight of numbers in hospital right now with Omicron, tidal wave doesn’t do it justice. Literally, I have no idea how the NHS are coping with the 10 cases needing hospital care right now. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 14 December, 2021 Share Posted 14 December, 2021 8 hours ago, adrian lord said: This Pass thing is brilliant. I'm looking forward to Climate Emergency Passes. The selfish, antisocial swines who haven't gone vegan, got electric cars, solar panels, and ground source heating should be excluded from society, humiliated and interned in camps. Then exterminated. It's the football pass I'm waiting for. Proof you've never taken a foam hand to a game, worn your team's shirt over the top of your normal clothes or filmed yourself watching a game on a selfie stick. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 14 December, 2021 Share Posted 14 December, 2021 15 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said: I am also curious if why will the COVID pass rules change to reflect the need for 3 jabs once most adults have had it. Surely by them, we won't need COVID passes?! It doesn't work like that. Effective protection from current vaccines seems to last about 3 months so people like me who were boosted at the beginning of October will suffer waning effectiveness of the booster by the beginning of Jan 2022. I am expecting that there will then be an announcement of a second booster, hence the rush to complete first boosters before they free up resources to start administering "second" boosters. Vaccine passports will need to be updated at each stage and individuals will likely need to be at the latest level of vaccination protection fro the passport to be valid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy the Kidd Posted 14 December, 2021 Share Posted 14 December, 2021 Fuck me, a second booster. We might as well walk around with an intravenous booster drip constantly feeding shit into our arms. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 14 December, 2021 Share Posted 14 December, 2021 10 minutes ago, Billy the Kidd said: Fuck me, a second booster. We might as well walk around with an intravenous booster drip constantly feeding shit into our arms. There is no evidence to suggest the booster will last just three months. They can’t add the booster jab to the Covid passport until a reasonable time has passed for everyone to have had it. And that’s a farce cos despite Boris targeting 31 Dec if other areas are like mine it ain’t gonna happen. I live in Bournemouth and the booking mechanism wants me to go to Salisbury. They can eff right off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsLoyal Posted 14 December, 2021 Share Posted 14 December, 2021 (edited) Common sense and logical to try and reduce problems inside football stadiums with something simple of being jabbed or a negative test. The alternative to that is not having any fans in games, which might well happen anyway in January. Anyone who think this is a conspiracy or any other human rights bollocks, needs to see a psychiatrist. Edited 14 December, 2021 by SaintsLoyal 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 14 December, 2021 Share Posted 14 December, 2021 1 hour ago, beatlesaint said: There is no evidence to suggest the booster will last just three months. They can’t add the booster jab to the Covid passport until a reasonable time has passed for everyone to have had it. And that’s a farce cos despite Boris targeting 31 Dec if other areas are like mine it ain’t gonna happen. I live in Bournemouth and the booking mechanism wants me to go to Salisbury. They can eff right off. That’s the target but I’d be highly surprised if the cut off for the passports is having a booster by 31st December. There are people who will be going away for Christmas who won’t even be back home until the new year, they’ve got no chance of getting jabbed before they go away. They will probably give people until the end of January or some other arbitrary line in the sand, to give everyone a fair chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardc Posted 14 December, 2021 Share Posted 14 December, 2021 16 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said: True. Sometimes they die. It’s the period whilst they’re infectious that’s the problem. Surely the basics are obvious? If you’re unvaccinated then you’re much more likely to spread the disease than if you’re vaccinated. Wrong there is a recent article in the Lancet that says the vaccinated have higher viral loads than unvaccinated potentially making the vaccinated more of a danger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 14 December, 2021 Share Posted 14 December, 2021 4 minutes ago, richardc said: Wrong there is a recent article in the Lancet that says the vaccinated have higher viral loads than unvaccinated potentially making the vaccinated more of a danger You mean this article which states they might be similar but also that the chances of spreading are overall lower as the vaccine helps you fight off infection much faster overall? https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardc Posted 14 December, 2021 Share Posted 14 December, 2021 8 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: You mean this article which states they might be similar but also that the chances of spreading are overall lower as the vaccine helps you fight off infection much faster overall? https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext No I mean the one that says vaccinated have higher viral loads https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02243-1/fulltext Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiberalCommunist Posted 14 December, 2021 Share Posted 14 December, 2021 Don't fight amongst yourselves, that is what they want. Stand up for democracy, and the freedoms our fathers fought for. And sits back and waits for the scared little fish to bite......... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 14 December, 2021 Share Posted 14 December, 2021 I guess it is really lucky we haven't got anything else really serious to worry about. I mean, like if Putin had amassed 100,000 troops at the border, poised to invade Ukraine, with China watching the West's reaction and weighing up when to do the same with Taiwan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 14 December, 2021 Share Posted 14 December, 2021 21 minutes ago, richardc said: No I mean the one that says vaccinated have higher viral loads https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02243-1/fulltext That's an opinion piece which provides no data whatsoever regarding viral load. It just make haphazard reference to obscure numbers of infections. 12 minutes ago, LiberalCommunist said: And sits back and waits for the scared little fish to bite......... The only people scared are those who refuse to get vaccinated because of a blood clotting risk comparable to if you ate a Ginsters pasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiberalCommunist Posted 14 December, 2021 Share Posted 14 December, 2021 I hope your fear keeps you safe, I really do. Don't worry about me, I'll be fine. I've seen this close up, its BS. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardc Posted 14 December, 2021 Share Posted 14 December, 2021 35 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: That's an opinion piece which provides no data whatsoever regarding viral load. It just make haphazard reference to obscure numbers of infections. The only people scared are those who refuse to get vaccinated because of a blood clotting risk comparable to if you ate a Ginsters pasty. and just like that an article in the Lancet written by a renowned medical professor who has written over 300 publications with 11,000 citations and who writes an article fully referenced with all the data is instantly dismissed by a fully qualified moderator because he doesn't understand the haphazard numbers. Maybe you also dont understand the numbers of 1.7 million serious reactions to covid vaccines in US and Europe. The fact that covid is not particularly serious for the younger generation, why there are over 300 athletes this year with cardiac issues and no explanation. or maybe people may be cynical because they were told 2 doses was 95% effective at stopping the disease and now it offers limited protection and now its three doses but in Israel who are ahead of us its now 4 doses. etc etc 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 14 December, 2021 Share Posted 14 December, 2021 1 hour ago, Lighthouse said: That's an opinion piece which provides no data whatsoever regarding viral load. It just make haphazard reference to obscure numbers of infections. The only people scared are those who refuse to get vaccinated because of a blood clotting risk comparable to if you ate a Ginsters pasty. So, how exactly do you know that the unvaxxed are “scared” ? Any actual evidence ? meanwhile , in real news, still not a shred of evidence that vaccine passports have any public health benefit whatsoever.But both big parties just wave them through anyway. That is something that we should all think long and hard about. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haddock22 Posted 14 December, 2021 Share Posted 14 December, 2021 I thought this was a football based forum not a medical one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 14 December, 2021 Share Posted 14 December, 2021 1 hour ago, Lighthouse said: That's an opinion piece which provides no data whatsoever regarding viral load. It just make haphazard reference to obscure numbers of infections. The only people scared are those who refuse to get vaccinated because of a blood clotting risk comparable to if you ate a Ginsters pasty. Hahaha you wanted the government to lock you in your house whilst the rest of us wanted to get out and enjoy our freedom, but good try with the "you're the scared ones" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 14 December, 2021 Share Posted 14 December, 2021 50 minutes ago, richardc said: and just like that an article in the Lancet written by a renowned medical professor who has written over 300 publications with 11,000 citations and who writes an article fully referenced with all the data is instantly dismissed by a fully qualified moderator because he doesn't understand the haphazard numbers. Maybe you also dont understand the numbers of 1.7 million serious reactions to covid vaccines in US and Europe. The fact that covid is not particularly serious for the younger generation, why there are over 300 athletes this year with cardiac issues and no explanation. or maybe people may be cynical because they were told 2 doses was 95% effective at stopping the disease and now it offers limited protection and now its three doses but in Israel who are ahead of us its now 4 doses. etc etc Great post Richard, Israel's 3 doses don't seem to be effective do they. The world has gone completely mad, we don't want the NHS to be overwhelmed (like it has been every winter for 20+ years) so let's give it an impossible target to jab millions of healthy people whilst pausing treatment of ill people who now won't get to see GP / have the hip op they were waiting for. Bonkers. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 14 December, 2021 Share Posted 14 December, 2021 8 minutes ago, JRM said: Hahaha you wanted the government to lock you in your house whilst the rest of us wanted to get out and enjoy our freedom I know but I went out and got my vaccinations so now I'm allowed out the house and can basically do whatever I want. God I'm so stupid, I really should've thought this through first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 14 December, 2021 Share Posted 14 December, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: I know but I went out and got my vaccinations so now I'm allowed out the house and can basically do whatever I want. God I'm so stupid, I really should've thought this through first. wont stop you getting or passing it on. Great work! Of course, Passports do not apply to/in Parliament! Edited 14 December, 2021 by AlexLaw76 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanimal Posted 14 December, 2021 Share Posted 14 December, 2021 Well I have had the email from the club, filled out the online form and had confirmation immediately so I am ok for the next three games. Simple and no after effects a bit like the jabs really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 14 December, 2021 Share Posted 14 December, 2021 33 minutes ago, haddock22 said: I thought this was a football based forum not a medical one Esp as the there is a big thread in the lounge which in effect is discussing the same things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 14 December, 2021 Share Posted 14 December, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, fanimal said: Well I have had the email from the club, filled out the online form and had confirmation immediately so I am ok for the next three games. Simple and no after effects a bit like the jabs really Not at all clear imo. “If possible” wtf does that mean to the double jabbed? Edited 14 December, 2021 by Lord Duckhunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 14 December, 2021 Share Posted 14 December, 2021 I haven’t been to the ground for years but I do find it funny how some people find it hard to accept wearing a face covering inside any venue even for a short space of time. Yes, there is a counter-argument saying you’re essentially in a bowl outside with 25,000 other people who aren’t wearing masks during the game so why bother wearing it inside, but the point is you’re outside, not an indoor closed spaced. Wearing a mask not only reduces the risk for you of catching/giving it, but also for other people. I’m double jabbed and still wear a face mask nine hours a day when I work, is it an inconvenience, not in the slightest, would I prefer everyone continued wearing them for the foreseeable future, absolutely. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 December, 2021 Share Posted 14 December, 2021 3 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: I haven’t been to the ground for years but I do find it funny how some people find it hard to accept wearing a face covering inside any venue even for a short space of time. Yes, there is a counter-argument saying you’re essentially in a bowl outside with 25,000 other people who aren’t wearing masks during the game so why bother wearing it inside, but the point is you’re outside, not an indoor closed spaced. Wearing a mask not only reduces the risk for you of catching/giving it, but also for other people. I’m double jabbed and still wear a face mask nine hours a day when I work, is it an inconvenience, not in the slightest, would I prefer everyone continued wearing them for the foreseeable future, absolutely. You are effectively a leper then, you’re nothing unless you’ve had a booster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 December, 2021 Share Posted 14 December, 2021 3 hours ago, richardc said: Wrong there is a recent article in the Lancet that says the vaccinated have higher viral loads than unvaccinated potentially making the vaccinated more of a danger Are you saying that the unvaccinated might catch the vaccine from the vaccinated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 December, 2021 Share Posted 14 December, 2021 1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said: wont stop you getting or passing it on. Great work! Of course, Passports do not apply to/in Parliament! Yes it will. Not 100% but much better than nothing. Are some people really are that simple? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyNumber7 Posted 14 December, 2021 Share Posted 14 December, 2021 31 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: Yes it will. Not 100% but much better than nothing. Are some people really are that simple? The point is it's nowhere near 100%, and debatable whether it does at all with Omicron. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/omicron-wave-driven-by-young-healthy-vaccinated-population/ar-AARLYs6?ocid=msedgntp Which all renders vaccine passports pretty useless, aside from the ethical issues. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 14 December, 2021 Share Posted 14 December, 2021 1 minute ago, LuckyNumber7 said: The point is it's nowhere near 100%, and debatable whether it does at all with Omicron. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/omicron-wave-driven-by-young-healthy-vaccinated-population/ar-AARLYs6?ocid=msedgntp Which all renders vaccine passports pretty useless, aside from the ethical issues. Think the main aim is to force the anti-vax idiots to get a jab, if it increases the uptake it has to be a good thing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 December, 2021 Share Posted 14 December, 2021 But not for them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 15 December, 2021 Share Posted 15 December, 2021 8 hours ago, Turkish said: But not for them And this is one of the reasons I don’t comply. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 15 December, 2021 Share Posted 15 December, 2021 5 hours ago, Noodles34 said: And this is one of the reasons I don’t comply. Surprised they can stand up - their feet are so full of bullet holes! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 15 December, 2021 Share Posted 15 December, 2021 Just because the PM is a narcissistic, self absorbed, selfish, lieing, sexist, racist lazy plonker doesn't mean you have to do the same as him. Anything I do is in spite of him based on my own standards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 15 December, 2021 Share Posted 15 December, 2021 (edited) 51 minutes ago, suewhistle said: Just because the PM is a narcissistic, self absorbed, selfish, lieing, sexist, racist lazy plonker doesn't mean you have to do the same as him. Anything I do is in spite of him based on my own standards. I don’t comply with their rules but I enforce my own. For example, off to Palace in a minute and will wear a face covering on the UG because of the space confinement, makes sense of course. I will getting on the main London train and walking through but once sat down it will come off if we have our own 4/6 seater bit. The guys I will be with will be drinking in pubs with me all day, so what’s the point? Far enough from other passengers. Common sense should prevail, I don’t wear one in a supermarket cause I don’t mix with people. I also take a test pretty much every day, just taken one now and I’m negative. Therefore as I’m not worried about getting it, I can morally say that I’m not at risk of infecting others, at least today anyway. Edited 15 December, 2021 by Noodles34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 15 December, 2021 Share Posted 15 December, 2021 17 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said: Are you saying that the unvaccinated might catch the vaccine from the vaccinated? My understanding ( that may be well off the mark) is that even though you are vaccinated you can still carry the virus and pass it on. May be complete bollox but thats how I understood it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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