Tyler Dibling

[Dragon_man]

5 hours ago, Saint86 said:

Russel Martin Interview doing the rounds on the GrandOldTeam.

... If he was that good, how come he didn't show it to us on matchdays.

TBF he is good, I just think he's overrated and madness at £50m

 

[coalman]

6 hours ago, Saint86 said:

Russel Martin Interview doing the rounds on the GrandOldTeam.

The same Russell Martin who was key to our recruitment last summer?

[Jack]

3 minutes ago, coalman said:

The same Russell Martin who was key to our recruitment last summer?

The same Russell Martin who played Dibling in some of the most baffling and ineffective formations in terms of attacking intent we’ve ever seen. Bournemouth away still haunts me. Wonder if he’ll implement 5-5-0 seen there or the famous  ‘U’ formation at Rangers. 

[Totton Saint]

7 hours ago, John B said:

and Phil Boyer David Armstrong Mark Wright Brian O'Neil Jimmy Gabriel John McGrath

I had not forgotten them but not in same level as the others listed albeit O""]]] O'Neil was a super player. You could go on and on about other players. What about Danny Mills for example?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[suewhistle]

I don't understand footballer valuations, but something is worth what somebody else is prepared to pay for it, so we'll see..

As for his contributions last year where people are being critical, I think we should recall a young Le Tissier who also didn't shine at tackling back. I can't recall the team Le Tissier came in to, but it can't be as bad and as badly managed as last year's shit-show, although I do remember Branfoot's decision to drop him at one stage rather being shown up. Maybe we all hoped for a little more from TD, but I remember the chuckles as he embarassed a few defenders and also the expectation in the crowd when he had the ball.

[LiberalCommunist]

In those first few games he did look like a game changer, clearly there is something special about him. But those latter performances were nowhere near 50m. That is a massive risk for Everton. 

[derry]

1 hour ago, Totton Saint said:

I had not forgotten them but not in same level as the others listed albeit O""]]] O'Neil was a super player. You could go on and on about other players. What about Danny Mills for example?

I used to often chat with Brian O'Neill at half time as he used to go to the concourse at half time. A lovely man, proper Saints supporter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[die Mannyschaft]

7 hours ago, Jack said:

The same Russell Martin who played Dibling in some of the most baffling and ineffective formations in terms of attacking intent we’ve ever seen. Bournemouth away still haunts me. Wonder if he’ll implement 5-5-0 seen there or the famous  ‘U’ formation at Rangers. 

RM will win title. Doesn't matter what formation he plays most games guaranteed 3 points,that league is a pointless competition. 

[OldNick]

17 hours ago, Totton Saint said:

I had not forgotten them but not in same level as the others listed albeit O""]]] O'Neil was a super player. You could go on and on about other players. What about Danny Mills for example?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mick 

[maysie]

 

Edited August 8 by maysie

[SaintNewForest]

Off you fuck, then. 

[saintant]

Presumably if this is true Tyler will be back training with the big boys next week. I don't think anyone is paying what the club claim he is worth. If so we may be left with a disgruntled player for a season and end up selling him for a lot less next year. Not convinced Rasmus or whoever is handling this particularly well.

[Matthew Le God]

5 minutes ago, saintant said:

Presumably if this is true Tyler will be back training with the big boys next week. I don't think anyone is paying what the club claim he is worth. If so we may be left with a disgruntled player for a season and end up selling him for a lot less next year. Not convinced Rasmus or whoever is handling this particularly well.

You think they should roll over and give in?

[revolution saint]

2 minutes ago, saintant said:

Presumably if this is true Tyler will be back training with the big boys next week. I don't think anyone is paying what the club claim he is worth. If so we may be left with a disgruntled player for a season and end up selling him for a lot less next year. Not convinced Rasmus or whoever is handling this particularly well.

He'll knuckle down in the same way Schneiderlin did.  Only question for me is whether the manager would rather sell and spend the money on strengthening the team, or keep him.  Either way I'm quite happy and if he stays then I think he'll be excellent for us. 

My guess is this is all part of the usual tiresome pantomime and he'll go eventually.

[SWLondon Saint]

6 minutes ago, saintant said:

Presumably if this is true Tyler will be back training with the big boys next week. I don't think anyone is paying what the club claim he is worth. If so we may be left with a disgruntled player for a season and end up selling him for a lot less next year. Not convinced Rasmus or whoever is handling this particularly well.

Not necessarily. If he stays and we get promoted after he tears up the league, there'll be a bidding war and we'd probably still get Jobe Bellingham-ish money with just a year remaining.

[CamSaint]

There are shades here of the Willy Gnonto situation at Leeds 2 years ago (although he was on a much longer contract than Dibling):

"Leeds United winger Willy Gnonto has effectively gone on strike in a bid to force through a move away from Elland Road.

The Italian asked to be left out of the side’s Carabao Cup win against Shrewsbury on Wednesday night as he seeks a move away from the club.

Leeds have made it clear they want to keep the winger, who signed a five-year deal with the club only 12 months ago.

Gnonto was a leading light for Leeds last term, despite their relegation to the Championship." (https://metro.co.uk/2023/08/10/willy-gnonto-goes-on-strike-to-force-through-leeds-united-exit-19314505/)

I can't remember what sort of offers Leeds got for him, but obviously they were able to hold on to him for both of their years in the Championship. 

[BARCELONASAINT]

29 minutes ago, saintant said:

Presumably if this is true Tyler will be back training with the big boys next week. I don't think anyone is paying what the club claim he is worth. If so we may be left with a disgruntled player for a season and end up selling him for a lot less next year. Not convinced Rasmus or whoever is handling this particularly well.

I could not disagree with you more. You do not know Tyler and what sort of person he is. He has not at any point point stamped his feet or had a hissy fit unlike Van Dyke. He is a very chilled laid back lad that loves the club and appreciates everything the club has done for him. He will knuckle down and give his all if he ends up still being here for the season.

[tdmickey3]

28 minutes ago, BARCELONASAINT said:

I could not disagree with you more. You do not know Tyler and what sort of person he is. He has not at any point point stamped his feet or had a hissy fit unlike Van Dyke. He is a very chilled laid back lad that loves the club and appreciates everything the club has done for him. He will knuckle down and give his all if he ends up still being here for the season.

If what you say is true, particularly the bit in bold, why has he not signed a new deal?

[Chez]

35 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

If what you say is true, particularly the bit in bold, why has he not signed a new deal?

Because he isn't stupid. Nor is his agent. 

[Monk]

Can’t be bothered to read through the thread so apologies if there’s an echo…

I had a very interesting chat with a senior figure at an EFL club regarding the comments last night. Basically said their club wouldn’t replicate what Saints are doing unless the player is imminently (72 hours) going to be sold or disciplinary reasons.

So if Everton are ‘way off’ and refusing to budge. Why are we ‘protecting’ Tyler from possible suitors who aren’t seriously at the table yet?

At what point does WS/JS reinstate him? He’s still one of our better players and would add to the group significantly. 

Effectively there’s two potential red flags here;

the club have lied/downplayed the status of TD deal(s).

or 

We’ve made a poor ‘footballing’ decision and have someone needlessly not involved with the squad.

IMO Tyler should be in the squad (if fit & performing) for Wrexham.

Edited August 8 by Monk

[saintant]

1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said:

You think they should roll over and give in?

I didn't say that.

[Chez]

22 minutes ago, Monk said:

Can’t be bothered to read through the thread so apologies if there’s an echo…

I had a very interesting chat with a senior figure at an EFL club regarding the comments last night. Basically said their club wouldn’t replicate what Saints are doing unless the player is imminently (72 hours) going to be sold or disciplinary reasons.

So if Everton are ‘way off’ and refusing to budge. Why are we ‘protecting’ Tyler from possible suitors who aren’t seriously at the table yet?

At what point does WS/JS reinstate him? He’s still one of our better players and would add to the group significantly. 

Effectively there’s two potential red flags here;

the club have lied/downplayed the status of TD deal(s).

or 

We’ve made a poor ‘footballing’ decision and have someone needlessly not involved with the squad.

IMO Tyler should be in the squad (if fit & performing) for Wrexham.

there is a third option. Everton are still £10m short, so the deal is some way off...(the 72 hour period probably starts from when the two clubs agree the fee, after that there is the usual, signings, legal,, medical, announcement), but we are not 'protecting the asset', we genuinely don't think his mind is on Saints. I have no idea if this is accurate, but just putting out there an another possibility. 

[beatlesaint]

1 hour ago, Monk said:

Can’t be bothered to read through the thread so apologies if there’s an echo…

I had a very interesting chat with a senior figure at an EFL club regarding the comments last night. Basically said their club wouldn’t replicate what Saints are doing unless the player is imminently (72 hours) going to be sold or disciplinary reasons.

So if Everton are ‘way off’ and refusing to budge. Why are we ‘protecting’ Tyler from possible suitors who aren’t seriously at the table yet?

At what point does WS/JS reinstate him? He’s still one of our better players and would add to the group significantly. 

Effectively there’s two potential red flags here;

the club have lied/downplayed the status of TD deal(s).

or 

We’ve made a poor ‘footballing’ decision and have someone needlessly not involved with the squad.

IMO Tyler should be in the squad (if fit & performing) for Wrexham.

Whilst I agree with you Tyler really did have an injury didnt he? It wasnt one of these made up cos he's off injuries, he literally got injured in a friendly, unless I'm thinking of someone else.

So a non contact training on his own isnt totally out of the question given we don't know how he came through (or not) that 60 min behind closed doors first game against Brighton last week.

 

NB - having just heard WS in his presser forget that, the kid is obviuously off pretty soon !! 😄

Edited August 8 by beatlesaint

[Weston Super Saint]

3 hours ago, saintant said:

Presumably if this is true Tyler will be back training with the big boys next week. I don't think anyone is paying what the club claim he is worth. If so we may be left with a disgruntled player for a season and end up selling him for a lot less next year. Not convinced Rasmus or whoever is handling this particularly well.

Has the January window been cancelled this season?

[Sheaf Saint]

28 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Has the January window been cancelled this season?

If nobody matches our valuation for him between now and September, I highly doubt anyone will in January either. Not unless they're really desperate. Otherwise they will just wait until next summer when they can get him for much less.

[gio1saints]

3 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

If what you say is true, particularly the bit in bold, why has he not signed a new deal?

He’s a  £45m valued by club player. Any new player Saints hypothetically bought today for £45m what’s he expecting to get paid? But Saints new contract offer probably does not pay him anywhere near as if he is that £45m player - simple as that.
And you must know and understand why they won’t pay him that much too? 

Do you like your job? Mind if your employer pays you a lot less than what you can get for doing same job somewhere else? Think you might hold on a bit before agreeing the new pay rise contract the employer offered you as a consequence while you consider your options? Especially if the alternatives are 10x or even 20x your current basic salary for the same job!?!

[macca155]

Every year we have this circus, absolute pain.

The club clearly wants to sell and are playing hard ball on the price. The current brinkmanship, is probably an attempt to bring in other suitors. Doesn't look like that's working.

I doubt Tyler has much of a say in all this. Feels like his agent is heavily involved.

I just wish they'd get it over and done with. A distraction we could do without.

[Saint86]

4 hours ago, maysie said:

 

My heart bleeds. Not 😂🤣

[Wurzel]

45 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

If nobody matches our valuation for him between now and September, I highly doubt anyone will in January either. Not unless they're really desperate. Otherwise they will just wait until next summer when they can get him for much less.

Or he could be encouraged to play his heart out for 20 odd games and prove to Everton and anyone else who might be interested that he is actually worth what we value him at, and we'll let him go with our blessing for that price in January.

 

[Saint86]

5 hours ago, Monk said:

Can’t be bothered to read through the thread so apologies if there’s an echo…

I had a very interesting chat with a senior figure at an EFL club regarding the comments last night. Basically said their club wouldn’t replicate what Saints are doing unless the player is imminently (72 hours) going to be sold or disciplinary reasons.

So if Everton are ‘way off’ and refusing to budge. Why are we ‘protecting’ Tyler from possible suitors who aren’t seriously at the table yet?

At what point does WS/JS reinstate him? He’s still one of our better players and would add to the group significantly. 

Effectively there’s two potential red flags here;

the club have lied/downplayed the status of TD deal(s).

or 

We’ve made a poor ‘footballing’ decision and have someone needlessly not involved with the squad.

IMO Tyler should be in the squad (if fit & performing) for Wrexham.

Thought the same - the only other possibility i can see is that the club have decided that they want this specific sale for PSR reasons / to raise funds - i.e. its pure profit, and it may be key to keeping Fernandes etc.,

If that is the case then the club is showing what is a weak and very risky hand to a degree (by excluding him), because presumably other clubs know how close the deal is and would see if we're behaving unusually with him. I.e., Everton will know exactly how far away a deal is, and they will see that we're not involving him in the first team and that we're keeping him ready for a sale - which is a very weak negotiating tactic if it is the case. There could also be a case of forcing/encouraging a sale from the club's side - tying in with what Barcelona Saint said above about him loving the club.

Edited August 8 by Saint86

[Midfield_General]

It seems pretty obvious to me. We’re obviously open to selling him, but only for our specified price, which no-one has offered yet. If he gets injured, we can’t sell him to anyone, so we’re keeping him wrapped in cotton wool until the end of the window. If during that time someone offers what we’re asking, then he will be sold. If no-one does, he stays, and from what everyone who knows him has said he will almost certainly not throw his toys out if that happens and will buckle down and get on with it. So he won’t play until the window closes, but would reintegrate and be available for selection again if no-one’s ponied up the £50m by 1st Sep. Until January, when the whole circus would start again. 

[Badger]

1 hour ago, Saint86 said:

My heart bleeds. Not 😂🤣

Yes serves them right, had they auctioned the dugouts on leaving Goodison they could easily have afforded Tyler, and had some spare change.

[suewhistle]

I have absolutely no insight into the strategies of any of the parties involved, but if they were truly keeping him 'wrapped in cotton wool' he wouldn't have played that 60 minutes against the Brighton second team.

Now that the season is actually starting we won't need to do as much time wasting speculation, which is something of a relief..

[Willo of Whiteley]

1 hour ago, Midfield_General said:

It seems pretty obvious to me. We’re obviously open to selling him, but only for our specified price, which no-one has offered yet. If he gets injured, we can’t sell him to anyone, so we’re keeping him wrapped in cotton wool until the end of the window. If during that time someone offers what we’re asking, then he will be sold. If no-one does, he stays, and from what everyone who knows him has said he will almost certainly not throw his toys out if that happens and will buckle down and get on with it. So he won’t play until the window closes, but would reintegrate and be available for selection again if no-one’s ponied up the £50m by 1st Sep. Until January, when the whole circus would start again. 

At last!

Someone with some common sense 👏🏻

[Maggie May]

He’s definitely gone. He doesn’t appear in the latest promotional video.  Fernandes is given a decent showing though.

[Badger]

11 minutes ago, Maggie May said:

He’s definitely gone. He doesn’t appear in the latest promotional video.  Fernandes is given a decent showing though.

I don’t think you can read too much into that.
 

Perhaps the expectation is that he might go - most probably will - but keeping him out of the promotion film doesn’t mean it’s a done deal. 

[Harry_SFC]

4 minutes ago, Badger said:

I don’t think you can read too much into that.
 

Perhaps the expectation is that he might go - most probably will - but keeping him out of the promotion film doesn’t mean it’s a done deal. 

Agree. None of the players who have been pulled from training are there (Aribo, Edozie, Dibling). Obviously the expectation is all 3 are going to leave but clearly nothing is done yet. 

[gio1saints]

Sensible post from Grandoldteam Everton forum: 

They do have some precarious decisions to make, and they could really make a mess and lose millions depending on how things go for him and them. But he’ll most definitely sign a new contract if they price him out of a move. Moving on a free in 2 years sounds like a good tactic, but he’s not sitting on £5k a week for 2 more years when a PL team was willing to pay over £40m for you and everyone says you are the new Messi. They will offer him more cash and a release clause that sounds plausible so he doesn’t feel trapped. He’d be insane not to take it. When a career ended injury could happen in training, his parent/agents will all support him signing up with them. They will sell if they don’t get promoted next summer.

No arguments with their stance. If we don’t want to pay what they have asked for, sack it off immediately. They have been very clear. He’s obviously for sale at a price. They haven’t warned us off.

Elsewhere on twitter a blue tick account reckons ( paraphrased) the deal is at an impasse due to sell on %. The fee Everton would like to pay is £40m plus up to £10m in add-ons. Saints want £45m plus add ons AND a 25% sell on. Everton suggest 12.5% sell on. 

FWIW on sell ons: if Everton sell Tyler to Real Madrid next year for £100m then 25% of £55m profit is near €15m- buys us a good player - the Everton version is €7.5m less - it’s a big deal 

Add-ons are always bespoke deals - usually based on (1)  appearances, ( say an extra £1m if he makes 20, £2m at 40 (2) goals and assists ( self evident) (3) international cap/s- with Tyler this is a big deal- gets first full cap his transfer value just goes up up up. (4) trophies and league positions ie Everton win a cup plus £1m, get into Europe plus £1m. 
So these may all add up to a big number but they are not guaranteed and even if achieved get paid over an agreed negotiated period of time. Id say add ons the Everton addons are less valuable apart from appearances -so if the headline figure says up to £10m the reality is we might get £1m- and that £1m is the value assigned as part of the negotiating package assessment basically.

[Matthew Le God]

One or the other... or both?

 

[SuperSAINT]

7 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

One or the other... or both?

 

Depends what they are short of & what positions they are looking to fill.

[S-Clarke]

10 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

Depends what they are short of & what positions they are looking to fill.

Factoring in wages and loan fee, apparently it 'could' set Everton back £25-30m to sign Grealish for just 1 season.

Seems a daft investment if I'm honest.

[SuperSAINT]

7 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Factoring in wages and loan fee, apparently it 'could' set Everton back £25-30m to sign Grealish for just 1 season.

Seems a daft investment if I'm honest.

Very Everton though 

[sockeye]

24 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

One or the other... or both?

 

I think working with Grealish would be a valuable learning experience for Dibling, if both end up signing.

[Jimmy_D]

31 minutes ago, sockeye said:

I think working with Grealish would be a valuable learning experience for Dibling, if both end up signing.

Not so sure that he’s the player to get Dibling to pull his socks up.

[spyinthesky]

Question is, if Dibling is not sold do we have funds to buy in a midfielder, right back and GK?

[saintant]

4 hours ago, spyinthesky said:

Question is, if Dibling is not sold do we have funds to buy in a midfielder, right back and GK?

It seems we may be looking at loan deals.

[Saint Scott]

Spurs one of the teams supposedly interested in Tyler moving for Savinho

 

[Chez]

20 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

Factoring in wages and loan fee, apparently it 'could' set Everton back £25-30m to sign Grealish for just 1 season.

Seems a daft investment if I'm honest.

I'm surprised City can get a loan fee for a player they don't want and when there is £15.6m in wages to pay.

They seem very similar in style. Feels like one or the other.

[Chez]

8 hours ago, Saint Scott said:

Spurs one of the teams supposedly interested in Tyler moving for Savinho

 

Surprised City are selling him. Thought he did well for them.

[gio1saints]

The Tyler transfer will not be decided until late in the window ie September 1st given Saints current pricing policy. 

IF Everton are wooing Grealish and Spurs want Savinho that’s two of the most likely buyers out of it- apparently. I don’t think Arsenal, City, United, Newcastle or Liverpool are buying him given there current options in same ish positions which leaves, maybe Villa - and German / Italian/Spanish clubs wont pay what we want. Leaves maybe a surprise offer from the mid table EPL teams or a desperation offer from a newly promoted ones- neither of which look probable - only possible.

At present id say the odds on Tyler signing an extension with a big pay rise and reassured he can leave next season from a top six  are coming in a bit.

In betting terms he’s odds-on favourite to leave this window - but the stay at Saints bet is not quite as big a price anymore. Obviously can all change in an instant!

 

Edited Monday at 10:26 by gio1saints