Adam Armstrong

[Toussaint]

3 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

 

That’s not right, I found 1.75 yesterday. He is small. No way is he 5’11

[Chez]

13 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

 

I think that's the height he reaches when he jumps

[Hodgey]

Think the Adam Armstrong debate depends on Wills formation. He’s a terrible centre forward, but is very handy as an inside right. So if Will is playing a formation with an inside right (note - not a winger as he can’t do that either) keep, anything else sell (maybe to Rangers as can see him scoring loads there under Russ).

Basically at that level if he is facing goal with space in front of him, he has the pace and shot to be dangerous. He can’t beat a player for skill or pace so can’t play anywhere he is likely to be marked.

I also have a feeling the same applies to Archer - but replace right with left (and I think he is a bit quicker and more accurate, but lazier).

No way should we have both.

[AlexLaw76]

He is crap lone striker, but would be very useful if Still plays 2 up top, coupled with an apparent style of getting chances from wide. Should mean more 2nd balls in the box and chances with the ball being played in from wide

if we continue with the possession based, slow build up, with him as a lone striker, then get rid

[Dusic]

On Armstrong. Certainly wouldn't be getting rid to anyone in our league and not sure who else could afford fee and wages who might actually want him?

Edited June 8 by Dusic

[skintsaint]

2 hours ago, Toussaint said:

That’s not right, I found 1.75 yesterday. He is small. No way is he 5’11

Sheff Utd had him at 1.81 as well.

 

[BarberSaint]

55 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Sheff Utd had him at 1.81 as well.

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Well SU probably just had someone lazily take that off the internet.

 

Might I suggest a simple answer to the question? Either go and stand next to him in Waitrose or look at some photos and see how much he dwarfs (or vice versa) Capn Jack, Janny B, KWP etc.  Try to avoid the requirements to draw multiple lines as the VPN lot do as he'll come up as either 1mm or 14,000 miles.

[Convict Colony]

If you guys think archer is 5ft 11 then I've got some magic beans to sell you.

Edited June 8 by Convict Colony

[Matthew Le God]

It is very hard to get accurate player heights anywhere. Many websites that list heights (including those of their own clubs) have them incorrect.

[Toussaint]

It just goes to prove, we saintswebbers can always find something to dislike disagree about, even when there is absolutely nothing worthy of discussion!

[Dark Munster]

7 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

If you guys think archer is 5ft 11 then I've got some magic beans to sell you.

Will those beans help him grow taller?

[skintsaint]

8 minutes ago, Dark Munster said:

Will those beans help him grow taller?

Yes - 6'5+ I've heard. Onuachu's mum got a batch years ago.

[Andrew Watson]

Would rather have Armstrong than Shankland [ hope rumours are false ], but that is not saying much and Armstrong appears to want away.

[Wade Garrett]

Armstrong, Manning and Smallbone look like ideal Rangers signings to me.

Here’s hoping…

[Saint_lambden]

Just now, Wade Garrett said:

Armstrong, Manning and Smallbone look like ideal Rangers signings to me.

Here’s hoping…

Apart from two of them being Irish. 

[Turkish]

On 07/06/2025 at 11:17, skintsaint said:

Archer is 5'11 😅

Which means the average bloke in the UK is a dwarf.

whats a midget then?

[Wade Garrett]

22 minutes ago, Saint_lambden said:

Apart from two of them being Irish. 

They’re about as Irish as the City Centre clock and Tony Cascarino.

[skintsaint]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

whats a midget then?

[Midfield_General]

1 minute ago, skintsaint said:

So what's a pixie? 

[Rebel]

I would let Armstrong move on if we get an OK offer for him - they are better centre forwards and better wingers - right or left - out there.   He is only really effective as an inside forward - but I'd rather have a forward who is a bit more versatile than that.   And I am not sure he will suit the way Still will want to play.

I could see him being a good signing and a success at Rangers under Martin.  Lets hope Russell feels the same.

[Turkish]

12 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

So what's a pixie? 

what's a Goblin?

[Midfield_General]

2 hours ago, Rebel said:

I would let Armstrong move on if we get an OK offer for him - they are better centre forwards and better wingers - right or left - out there.   He is only really effective as an inside forward - but I'd rather have a forward who is a bit more versatile than that.   And I am not sure he will suit the way Still will want to play.

I could see him being a good signing and a success at Rangers under Martin.  Lets hope Russell feels the same.

Armstrong's reported to be on £60k per week. Even if he took a 50% pay cut, £30k per week would still immediately make him one of Rangers' highest paid players. He's also valued at around €13m. 

Rangers record transfer fee of all time is £12m and they're really excited by the prospect of a 'cash injection' from their new owners of a laughable £20m, which they'll expect to cover 4 or 5 signings. Half their regular starters last season were signed for less than £1m and they consider £30k per week to be very big money. They're not in a position to afford any players of ours for whom there might be any other real interest from the top of the Champ or the bottom of the PL. That's why the Downes rumour yesterday was so ridiculous. 

This is going to be a recurring thing with any players that Martin wants to take, or with most of our players who people think would do well in Scotland. The transfer fees and wages they're able to pay up there are an order of magnitude less than the top of the Championship, let alone the Prem. We've got bang average players like Armstrong and Aribo who have got used to being paid sixty grand a week, and elsewhere in the Championship there are no-mark players like Mike Tresor and Zeki Amdouni being signed for transfer fees of £16m, £17m, £18m. Rangers can't get anywhere near that. 

Rangers are a big club in terms of crowds and stadium etc, but they are small fry when it comes to spending power. A £12m record fee paid puts them in and around the same bracket as Swansea, Stoke or Cardiff. And they paid that 25 years ago when they were much more of a force than they are now and before they went bust. 

Edited June 9 by Midfield_General

[Midfield_General]

34 minutes ago, Turkish said:

what's a Goblin?

[Rebel]

45 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

Armstrong's reported to be on £60k per week. Even if he took a 50% pay cut, £30k per week would still immediately make him one of Rangers' highest paid players. He's also valued at around £13m. 

Rangers record transfer fee of all time is £12m and they're really excited by the prospect of a 'cash injection' from their new owners of a laughable £20m, which they'll expect to cover 4 or 5 signings. Half their regular starters last season were signed for less than £1m and they consider £30k per week to be very big money. They're not in a position to afford any players of ours for whom there might be any other real interest from the top of the Champ or the bottom of the PL. That's why the Downes rumour yesterday was so ridiculous. 

This is going to be a recurring thing with any players that Martin wants to take, or with most of our players who people think would do well in Scotland. The transfer fees and wages they're able to pay up there are an order of magnitude less than the top of the Championship, let alone the Prem. We've got bang average players like Armstrong and Aribo who have got used to being paid sixty grand a week, and elsewhere in the Championship there are no-mark players like Mike Tresor and Zeki Amdouni being signed for transfer fees of £16m, £17m, £18m. Rangers can't get anywhere near that. 

Rangers are a big club in terms of crowds and stadium etc, but they are small fry when it comes to spending power. A £12m record fee paid puts them in and around the same bracket as Swansea, Stoke or Cardiff. And they paid that 25 years ago when they were much more of a force than they are now and before they went bust. 

I would agree with you to some extent - but I don't think any bottom end premier league team or top end Championship team would really want him - firstly he is nowhere near good enough for the premier league and has proved that twice over with us.  Secondly after he 'bad spell' on loan with West Brom I don't think any top team in the Championship will be clamouring to sign him.   

He was supposedly on £60K a week last season - hopefully that drops to £30K after relegation.  But his value is probably nearer £5-6M than £12M right now.   If we did sell him on anywhere if would probably have to involve us paying of his contract to some extent, plus a signing on fee from the club he joined to bridge any gap in wages.  or maybe it would have to be a straight loan with us paying half the wages.  

With the 49ers investing in Rangers they are going to have more money to spend than they have had for quite a while - but you are probably right we are  more than likely stuck with him. But its no impossible.  Its about the only place I could see him going.

I never understood why we gave him a new contract last summer - when he only had a year left - that was the time to sell him to a top end Championship club for £12M.  

 

[St Louis]

I dont understand why the majority seem to be so keen to offload Armstrong!? A player who scored a hatful the last time we were in this division, the goals that got us into the upper end of the table and playoffs. And then scored the winner in the final to get us promoted. I think he deserves more respect than he gets from us.
Yes, we know he isn't good enough for the Premier League if we do go up again, but he is proven at this level and that's what we need for now. He's scored 49 goals in 86 Championship games in his last 2 full seasons down here! If we signed someone next week with that record, surely we would all be excited.
Personally, I really hope he stays. I think all of our other current forward options (Onuachu, Stewart, Archer, Ballard, etc) are a risk (for a number of different reasons) and all a bit unknown, whereas we can be pretty confident that Adarma will score goals for us at this level.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

18 minutes ago, St Louis said:

I dont understand why the majority seem to be so keen to offload Armstrong!? A player who scored a hatful the last time we were in this division, the goals that got us into the upper end of the table and playoffs. And then scored the winner in the final to get us promoted. I think he deserves more respect than he gets from us.
Yes, we know he isn't good enough for the Premier League if we do go up again, but he is proven at this level and that's what we need for now. He's scored 49 goals in 86 Championship games in his last 2 full seasons down here! If we signed someone next week with that record, surely we would all be excited.
Personally, I really hope he stays. I think all of our other current forward options (Onuachu, Stewart, Archer, Ballard, etc) are a risk (for a number of different reasons) and all a bit unknown, whereas we can be pretty confident that Adarma will score goals for us at this level.

He still misses plenty of chances even at Championship level. I think we can do better, but would rather see Onuachu, BBD and Stewart out of the door before possibly Armstrong and Archer. 

[pimpin4rizeal]

On 09/06/2025 at 12:22, St Louis said:

I dont understand why the majority seem to be so keen to offload Armstrong!? A player who scored a hatful the last time we were in this division, the goals that got us into the upper end of the table and playoffs. And then scored the winner in the final to get us promoted. I think he deserves more respect than he gets from us.
Yes, we know he isn't good enough for the Premier League if we do go up again, but he is proven at this level and that's what we need for now. He's scored 49 goals in 86 Championship games in his last 2 full seasons down here! If we signed someone next week with that record, surely we would all be excited.
Personally, I really hope he stays. I think all of our other current forward options (Onuachu, Stewart, Archer, Ballard, etc) are a risk (for a number of different reasons) and all a bit unknown, whereas we can be pretty confident that Adarma will score goals for us at this level.

 Not only that he was mainly played wide right in the promotion season and had the best goals assist ratio.we would be very lucky to get another wide  man who would put those numbers up and he could also be used in a two as well . Seems a no brainer keep 

Edited Tuesday at 16:33 by pimpin4rizeal

[Saint Fan CaM]

Thinking a Stewart and Armstrong partnership could work ok if there was any chance that we’d play two up front, so not sure about losing AA. Having said that there are probably better suited players out there if the budget allows a decent signing.

[IFHP]

I also can’t understand those who say get Rid of Armstrong .

Who would we replace him with to get 15-20 goals plus the assists and how much would he cost us ? 
 

Funds are going to be tight this season and we are going to have to spend wisely . I’m. It sure spending Millions on a striker to get us 15-20 goals is wise, when we have one who can achieve that already. 

[goodymatt]

I think the key questions re Armstrong are:

1. Does he fit into Still’s style? I think he presses well and works hard off the ball and has reasonable pace to support the expected more direct style. We have seen he’s not a CF or a true winger but if there is an outside forward role or we play a pair up top, then there should be a role that he can be effective in.

2. Does he want to be here? Wages wise, most likely. However, we have shown we don’t trust him at PL level by loaning him out last January. If he’s now decided he wants a new challenge or even agrees with us that he’s not going to be a PL starter, then there is concern over motivation should we keep him. I personally think he will be determined to get back there and prove people wrong, so I don’t see motivation as an issue. We need not worry about his PL ability until we are back there and then we can look to replace.

3. Is there room for Armstrong and Archer in the same team? Archer favours left inside forward and Armstrong right, but I don’t see us playing with 2 of them and if we did go for a pair up top, then we can only have 1 of those being this profile. Archer has a higher ceiling for me but Armstrong is better at pressing and work rate. I think Archer is the better finisher, Armstrong needing more chances to score. Not sure it’s the best use of our budget to have one on the bench every week but it would be impressive depth for the championship really. It’s a bit of a predicament as both players have proven to be very effective at Championship level. I do think Archer will thrive in more direct counters, see his Arsenal goal away last season. Can Still get him to press better?

4. Can we sell him for enough? I think we wouldn’t get our money back due to PL clubs knowing he won’t perform at that level, leaving a very small number of Championship clubs that could afford his wages. Sell to any of them and we are strengthening a rival. 

In summary, he’s been a goal machine at this level and is hard to shift without either losing money or strengthening a rival. I can’t see him not being here next season for those reasons plus his wages, unless he really wants out and/or is willing to go abroad. It’s a nice problem to have at championship level, provided Still’s system can get the most out or Armstrong and/or Archer.

[Matthew Le God]

8 hours ago, goodymatt said:

has reasonable pace 

More than just "reasonable". This is 4 years old, but he hasn't lost pace in that time.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/15953524/fastest-player-premier-league-this-season/

 

[tdmickey3]

13 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

More than just "reasonable". This is 4 years old, but he hasn't lost pace in that time.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/15953524/fastest-player-premier-league-this-season/

 

Shame he hardly got near the ball

[ant]

On 09/06/2025 at 12:22, St Louis said:

I dont understand why the majority seem to be so keen to offload Armstrong!? A player who scored a hatful the last time we were in this division, the goals that got us into the upper end of the table and playoffs. And then scored the winner in the final to get us promoted. I think he deserves more respect than he gets from us.
Yes, we know he isn't good enough for the Premier League if we do go up again, but he is proven at this level and that's what we need for now. He's scored 49 goals in 86 Championship games in his last 2 full seasons down here! If we signed someone next week with that record, surely we would all be excited.
Personally, I really hope he stays. I think all of our other current forward options (Onuachu, Stewart, Archer, Ballard, etc) are a risk (for a number of different reasons) and all a bit unknown, whereas we can be pretty confident that Adarma will score goals for us at this level.

There's a skill to knowing when you've had the best from a player and when it tips into cashing in. Ideally whilst there's some residual value/before you hit the diminishing returns.

If he were a year or two older, I'd say it'd be clearer cut to decide that; if he had another year on his contract (which runs out in 2026), it'd be more obvious to keep him - as he'd still be a saleable asset in 12 months.

As it stands, I'd be tempted to offer a year's extension to his current and see how this season goes with him.

Though if there was the option to clear out our entire front line I'd probably take it. 😅