MarkSFC Posted yesterday at 19:14 Posted yesterday at 19:14 28 minutes ago, gallaghert366@yahoo.com said: What mind altering substances are you ingesting None of your business
CB Fry Posted yesterday at 19:15 Posted yesterday at 19:15 12 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: 35 with addons I'd probably take. Unfortunately does mean we are quite close to the scenario where the big four may all be off this summer. Ramsdale and Dibling possibly going, Fernandes definitely off and just THB to go. Honestly the only expectation to have in June would be that Fernandes, Dibling and Ramsdale would all go. £70m ish for the two and we save Ramsdale's wages. THB also highly likely to go but could be a KWP situation where no one is that prepared to pay what we will demand. Maybe £28m for an ok Premier League Centre back. Not the best value. 2
hypochondriac Posted yesterday at 19:22 Posted yesterday at 19:22 4 minutes ago, CB Fry said: Honestly the only expectation to have in June would be that Fernandes, Dibling and Ramsdale would all go. £70m ish for the two and we save Ramsdale's wages. THB also highly likely to go but could be a KWP situation where no one is that prepared to pay what we will demand. Maybe £28m for an ok Premier League Centre back. Not the best value. I have always had that expectation. Still disappointing when it happens. There's always a small part that thinks you can buck the trend and keep one of them at least. The good news is I'm much less disappointed than I was the last time we got relegated where it felt like we were being decimated. 1
Tamesaint Posted yesterday at 19:24 Posted yesterday at 19:24 1 minute ago, hypochondriac said: I have always had that expectation. Still disappointing when it happens. There's always a small part that thinks you can buck the trend and keep one of them at least. The good news is I'm much less disappointed than I was the last time we got relegated where it felt like we were being decimated. True but is that because we have fewer crown jewels to sell than this time? 1
AlexLaw76 Posted yesterday at 19:28 Posted yesterday at 19:28 Still waiting on the No.10 that Dragan said we were signing 2
Baz Fl Posted yesterday at 19:29 Posted yesterday at 19:29 The last few transfer rumors aren’t making me wet the bed (yet) but I’m definitely getting some clean sheets ready, our current attacking options are mostly 💩
Saint NL Posted yesterday at 19:30 Posted yesterday at 19:30 34 minutes ago, Convict Colony said: Would take 35m all day everyday We'd be stupid not to. He downed tools when we were crap. Hardly someone to count on in a cold Tuesday night in Stoke etc. 1
HarvSFC Posted yesterday at 19:32 Posted yesterday at 19:32 Very lethargic for a high pressing system, no guarantee of fulfilling potential and wasn't getting into the worst top flight Southampton team of all time last season, so £40m would be a good fee. He could become a superstar, or he could go the same way as Broja and plenty of more talents have gone. With these departures and money raised, I want some concrete links to incoming players now with 9 days before the season's start. 3
Farmer Saint Posted yesterday at 19:34 Posted yesterday at 19:34 Discussing with my agent mate - flabbergasted that they're offering over £20m to £25m considering they're not in the healthiest financial position (apparently).
CB Fry Posted yesterday at 19:35 Posted yesterday at 19:35 11 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: I have always had that expectation. Still disappointing when it happens. There's always a small part that thinks you can buck the trend and keep one of them at least. The good news is I'm much less disappointed than I was the last time we got relegated where it felt like we were being decimated. Decimated? I dont remember that. JWP and Lavia, both entirely predictable. Honestly can't remember who else. Tella who never really played for us. 3
hypochondriac Posted yesterday at 19:36 Posted yesterday at 19:36 Just now, CB Fry said: Decimated? I dont remember that. JWP and Lavia, both entirely predictable. Honestly can't remember who else. Tella who never really played for us. I said that it felt like it. It had been ages since we got relegated last time and my expectation was that we would keep quite a few more than we did. This time I was pretty sure we'd lose most of not all of them so I'm not as bothered even though it's a shame when the club gives us a bit of hope some might stay.
beatlesaint Posted yesterday at 19:36 Posted yesterday at 19:36 1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said: Discussing with my agent mate - flabbergasted that they're offering over £20m to £25m considering they're not in the healthiest financial position (apparently). Moyes admitted on Sky Sports earlier today that they were struggling to bring in players. 1
Farmer Saint Posted yesterday at 19:39 Posted yesterday at 19:39 2 minutes ago, beatlesaint said: Moyes admitted on Sky Sports earlier today that they were struggling to bring in players. It feels like desperation 1
Gloucester Saint Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago (edited) 5 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: It feels like desperation Moyes was on their pre-season tour in the States complaining about how difficult the transfer market was this summer and that they finally had some money to spend, the new stadium but that their league position over the last 5-6 years wasn’t helping. Edited 23 hours ago by Gloucester Saint
SW11_Saint Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 49 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said: You’d be hard pressed to think of a worse place for him to go. Oddest of moves - footballer’s graveyard and not sure he’ll thrive under the pressure from their deluded fans. 6
Matthew Le God Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago Just now, SW11_Saint said: You’d be hard pressed to think of a worse place for him to go. Pompey 1 5
Badger Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 9 minutes ago, HarvSFC said: Very lethargic for a high pressing system, no guarantee of fulfilling potential and wasn't getting into the worst top flight Southampton team of all time last season, so £40m would be a good fee. He could become a superstar, or he could go the same way as Broja and plenty of more talents have gone. With these departures and money raised, I want some concrete links to incoming players now with 9 days before the season's start. Take out the ‘high pressing system’ and that could have been written by Branfoot about MLT. Would like him to stay for at least a season, it could benefit him tremendously. But if he is going to fuck off then for me £35-40m should be the starting point, plus healthy add ons. 4
Fabrice29 Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 11 minutes ago, HarvSFC said: Very lethargic for a high pressing system, no guarantee of fulfilling potential and wasn't getting into the worst top flight Southampton team of all time last season, so £40m would be a good fee. He could become a superstar, or he could go the same way as Broja and plenty of more talents have gone. With these departures and money raised, I want some concrete links to incoming players now with 9 days before the season's start. He was doing exceptional things for a kid his age in the PL last season. There's only 4 teenagers who scored more than him in the PL and 3 of those are older than him and 3 of them had played in the PL before unlike Tyler whilst the other had played for Roma and now plays for Madrid. Not convinced a David Moyes team would be good for him though. 3 1
tdmickey3 Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 19 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Still waiting on the No.10 that Dragan said we were signing Don’t hold your breath
iansums Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 11 minutes ago, SW11_Saint said: You’d be hard pressed to think of a worse place for him to go. Oddest of moves - footballer’s graveyard and not sure he’ll thrive under the pressure from their deluded fans. Yeah, but I bet the new dugouts are nice 2
StrangelyBrown Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 2 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said: Don’t hold your breath This. We need to sign some quality in some really key positions. Dragan promised some of them, but so far what have the team delivered??? A young CB who might be good and a young CF who might be good... So many years of trying to be cleverer than everyone else has resulted in a bloated mediocre team, we seriously need to stop speculating on footballs equivalent of penny shares hoping to accidentally invest in a unicorn. 4 1
Lighthouse Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago Just now, StrangelyBrown said: This. We need to sign some quality in some really key positions. Dragan promised some of them, but so far what have the team delivered??? A young CB who might be good and a young CF who might be good... So many years of trying to be cleverer than everyone else has resulted in a bloated mediocre team, we seriously need to stop speculating on footballs equivalent of penny shares hoping to accidentally invest in a unicorn. With such a bloated squad, there were always likely to be a lot of outgoings before we were able to recruit. Hopefully we’re now in a position where we might be able to bring a couple more players in. Luckily, in a way, we already have a decent Championship standard squad from last season, so we shouldn’t need much by way of recruitment. We haven’t tried to be cleverer than anyone, we’ve just recruited poorly. 1
Toussaint Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 1 hour ago, Saint Scott said: Everton 😂 You couldn't hack it in London Tyler, let alone Liverpool... Liverpool is a very friendly city, and he’s a few years older. 2 1 1
Toussaint Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 54 minutes ago, SWLondon Saint said: If he's not going to sign a new contract, then I think 35-40 is probably about as good as it gets. Still be a bit surprised anyone in the PL is willing to stump up that much tbh, I don't think he's a sure thing partly because he needs game time and probably careful management. He can't be relied on to be a game-changer every week at PL level yet, and that's generally what you expect at that price. He’d be in good hands with Moyes 2
AlexLaw76 Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 12 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: With such a bloated squad, there were always likely to be a lot of outgoings before we were able to recruit. Hopefully we’re now in a position where we might be able to bring a couple more players in. Luckily, in a way, we already have a decent Championship standard squad from last season, so we shouldn’t need much by way of recruitment. We haven’t tried to be cleverer than anyone, we’ve just recruited poorly. He clearly said 3 players to be brought in regardless and outwith any sales.. 3
Dusic Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago (edited) Very suprised that some are happy to take £35m. He is a huge talent who already showed in the PL that he has the ability against top defenders to cause them major problems. At 18, in a beyond dreadful team in his first experience of pro football. Yes he can seem a bit casual but that is just his style. One of the signs of players who will make it is whether they play the same way in pro football as they did in the youth setup - and he does. With swagger, poise, flair and deceptive power. He probably won't be worth less than £35m at any point in his career until he is in his mid 30s and will likely be worth nearly double that within 6 months. Contract situation makes it difficult for us (we have been so bad at contract management for years now) but we should and hopefully will be getting more than that - not least because we would be quoted around £20m something to sign a semi decent Championship attacking player. At around £35 he is an absolute steal and whoever buys him will make a big profit. Edited 23 hours ago by Dusic 9
Badger Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: He clearly said 3 players to be brought in regardless and outwith any sales.. He said they had three positions targeted ahead of any sales. You can’t blame them for trying to identify and target specific players they want rather than signing three just for the sake of it. Can only assume the MF they’re after has declined, gone elsewhere or his club won’t sell yet. No point signing another Elyo- fucking - noussi if our preferred option isn’t available. 3 1
SuperSAINT Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 17 minutes ago, Dusic said: Very suprised that some are happy to take £35m. He is a huge talent who already showed in the PL that he has the ability against top defenders to cause them major problems. At 18, in a beyond dreadful team in his first experience of pro football. Yes he can seem a bit casual but that is just his style. One of the signs of players who will make it is whether they play the same way in pro football as they did in the youth setup - and he does. With swagger, poise, flair and deceptive power. He probably won't be worth less than £35m at any point in his career until he is in his mid 30s and will likely be worth nearly double that within 6 months. Contract situation makes it difficult for us (we have been so bad at contract management for years now) but we should and hopefully will be getting more than that - not least because we would be quoted around £20m something to sign a semi decent Championship attacking player. At around £35 he is an absolute steal and whoever buys him will make a big profit. Spot-on Big Sell-on clause please, Rasmus. 1
coalman Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 14 minutes ago, Badger said: He said they had three positions targeted ahead of any sales. You can’t blame them for trying to identify and target specific players they want rather than signing three just for the sake of it. Can only assume the MF they’re after has declined, gone elsewhere or his club won’t sell yet. No point signing another Elyo- fucking - noussi if our preferred option isn’t available. What we need is another attacking player that tackles back but doesn't score or create. It's the Southampton Way 3
LeBizzier69 Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 17 minutes ago, Dusic said: Very suprised that some are happy to take £35m. He is a huge talent who already showed in the PL that he has the ability against top defenders to cause them major problems. At 18, in a beyond dreadful team in his first experience of pro football. Yes he can seem a bit casual but that is just his style. One of the signs of players who will make it is whether they play the same way in pro football as they did in the youth setup - and he does. With swagger, poise, flair and deceptive power. He probably won't be worth less than £35m at any point in his career until he is in his mid 30s and will likely be worth nearly double that within 6 months. Contract situation makes it difficult for us (we have been so bad at contract management for years now) but we should and hopefully will be getting more than that - not least because we would be quoted around £20m something to sign a semi decent Championship attacking player. At around £35 he is an absolute steal and whoever buys him will make a big profit. We should make them pay most upon sale and put in a whopper of a sell on clause too. 1
StrangelyBrown Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 34 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: We haven’t tried to be cleverer than anyone, we’ve just recruited poorly. Oh yes we have... We've tried to sign hidden gems from Man City and Chelsea's academy with mixed success, hidden gems from mediocre European teams with little success, half decent championship players for the premier league with next to no success, loans of formerly good premier league players... We've had a number of failed strategies and as a result there have been far far more misses than hits. 4
saintant Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 20 minutes ago, Badger said: He said they had three positions targeted ahead of any sales. You can’t blame them for trying to identify and target specific players they want rather than signing three just for the sake of it. Can only assume the MF they’re after has declined, gone elsewhere or his club won’t sell yet. No point signing another Elyo- fucking - noussi if our preferred option isn’t available. Surely we're not stupid enough to have only one target.
Lighthouse Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 26 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: He clearly said 3 players to be brought in regardless and outwith any sales.. A lot of people say a lot of things. A reasonable number of departures was always going to be the first priority and that's what we've done. 1
Lighthouse Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 1 minute ago, StrangelyBrown said: Oh yes we have... We've tried to sign hidden gems from Man City and Chelsea's academy with mixed success, hidden gems from mediocre European teams with little success, half decent championship players for the premier league with next to no success, loans of formerly good premier league players... We've had a number of failed strategies and as a result there have been far far more misses than hits. What is it you think that's 'too clever' about any of that? We're never signing established PL players, we're always going to have to take a gamble on someone. 3
OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 5 hours ago, SaintJackoInHurworth said: It is also worth pointing out that just because a player was crap under certain managers last season in the Premier League does not mean that they are going to be crap this season under a different manager in the Championship. Also, a lot of our players are young and developing. In theory that should mean that they will get better over time. That should give us reason to be less scathing about Smallbone, Charles, Edozie, Sugawara, Welington, Wood, Dibling, Archer, Bazunu, Edwards and others, some of whom seem to be the butt of a lot of criticism at times. Too true. Actually have a feeling Archer will come on a lot this year. Charles was already showing his potential at Sheff Wed. 1
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 27 minutes ago, Badger said: No point signing another Elyo- fucking - noussi if our preferred option isn’t available. Ahhhh - he had been erased from my memory why did you have to remind me 🙂 2 1
Badger Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 4 minutes ago, saintant said: Surely we're not stupid enough to have only one target. You’d like to think not. Perhaps waiting for the main target ? (Armenian bloke?). Certainly hope we don’t see the falling down the list and quality that we’ve previously seen. But similarly we can’t end up in a Gakpo position of waiting until deadline day on an unrealistic target.
ally_uk Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago Regarding dibs if he doesn't want to be here get the most we can out of Everton and keep it moving.
SuperSAINT Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 4 minutes ago, ally_uk said: Regarding dibs if he doesn't want to be here get the most we can out of Everton and keep it moving. I would think this move might happen quickly... They are talking about a 2nd bid already... and I've not been keeping tabs on their dealings, but a quick read-up tells me they've missed out on a ton of signings (& apparently they want up 10 new players) and I would assume they need some in ASAP as Moyes has been moaning about it in the media.
Willo of Whiteley Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago Would he want to move to Everton? I mean really?
SuperSAINT Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago (edited) 2 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said: Would he want to move to Everton? I mean really? Pay rise. Premier League. Moyes is a good manager for him too, IMO, Edited 22 hours ago by SuperSAINT 3
CB Fry Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 15 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said: Would he want to move to Everton? I mean really? Yeah, I'm sure he'd much rather play against Charlton, Oxford and Hull. 1
revolution saint Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 56 minutes ago, Badger said: He said they had three positions targeted ahead of any sales. You can’t blame them for trying to identify and target specific players they want rather than signing three just for the sake of it. Can only assume the MF they’re after has declined, gone elsewhere or his club won’t sell yet. No point signing another Elyo- fucking - noussi if our preferred option isn’t available. Somebody on the thread earlier mentioned we're trying to get Jamie Donley on loan from Spurs and reckoned that was the creative midfielder Solak mentioned. Thomas Frank wanted to get a look at him before deciding whether to send him on loan and that was holding things up.
Maggie May Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago Saints aren’t selling Dibling to Everton. He was one of the hottest prospects in the Premier League last season and can see the club only wanting him to go to a premium team to shine a positive light back on the academy. A big six or a European giant should be his destination if he is going. 3 2 2
SfcPhil Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 1 minute ago, Maggie May said: Saints aren’t selling Dibling to Everton. He was one of the hottest prospects in the Premier League last season and can see the club only wanting him to go to a premium team to shine a positive light back on the academy. A big six or a European giant should be his destination if he is going. I think Everton is exactly the type of club he will end up at. He needs to prove himself at the top level more before a move to a big 6 team. I think we'll accept in the region of £35m + £5m add ons. Wouldn't surprise me if he's gone before the Wrexham game. 5
Midfield_General Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 1 hour ago, hypochondriac said: The good news is I'm much less disappointed than I was the last time we got relegated where it felt like we were being decimated. Same. I find the nature of the modern game makes it much easier as it means I have absolutely no emotional attachment left to any of them. KWP was the last one I cared about, and he gave us as much as anyone could reasonably expect. Now, when you can only expect to get one season out of a good player before they inevitably leave, who cares, really? They’re all mercenaries so let’s just get as much money as we can, get some more in and see what happens. 4
Harry_SFC Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago (edited) 7 minutes ago, Maggie May said: Saints aren’t selling Dibling to Everton. He was one of the hottest prospects in the Premier League last season and can see the club only wanting him to go to a premium team to shine a positive light back on the academy. A big six or a European giant should be his destination if he is going. I can't see any of the big teams wanting to spend £40-50m on someone who might turn out to be a quality player. The reality is he had a great few months but his form nosedived after that, probably putting the bigger sides off. Edited 22 hours ago by Harry_SFC 1
Midfield_General Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago (edited) 8 minutes ago, Maggie May said: Saints aren’t selling Dibling to Everton. He was one of the hottest prospects in the Premier League last season and can see the club only wanting him to go to a premium team to shine a positive light back on the academy. A big six or a European giant should be his destination if he is going. We’ll just sell to whoever pays the most mate. Same as we always have. Edited 22 hours ago by Midfield_General 4
Willo of Whiteley Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 10 minutes ago, Maggie May said: Saints aren’t selling Dibling to Everton. He was one of the hottest prospects in the Premier League last season and can see the club only wanting him to go to a premium team to shine a positive light back on the academy. A big six or a European giant should be his destination if he is going. Pretty much agree. If he goes to Everton I see him pending up like a Ross Barkley. Decent but never quite fulfilling what could’ve been. He admits he made a mistake leaving Saints for Chelsea a few years back, coming back a month later after many tears and homesickness. To jump at the first sign of things going south, a relation in his “breakout season” sums him up as the same as everyone else. Not entirely convinced he will go but we’ll see. 2
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