Who do we want next as Saints manager?

[LGTL]

Hopefully he’s as good as the last ginge to manage us.

Regardless of MNF appearances and YouTube clips, appointing him is a massive risk and anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. 

[Maggie May]

1 minute ago, LGTL said:

Hopefully he’s as good as the last ginge to manage us.

Regardless of MNF appearances and YouTube clips, appointing him is a massive risk and anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. 

Hardly a risk. 

Hiring Nathan Jones was a risk. 

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

1 minute ago, LGTL said:

Hopefully he’s as good as the last ginge to manage us.

Regardless of MNF appearances and YouTube clips, appointing him is a massive risk and anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. 

Given that beggars can’t be choosers and we are currently very much beggars, the only manager we will attract will come with risk. 

[Appy]

4 minutes ago, LGTL said:

Hopefully he’s as good as the last ginge to manage us.

Regardless of MNF appearances and YouTube clips, appointing him is a massive risk and anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. 

Definitely, unfortunately the mess we’ve got ourselves into anyone we go for has an element of risk. 

[skintsaint]

25 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Also, he appears to be going to Luton...

From Ligue 1 to League One....

[DT]

Southampton, the club where they do things like hire rugby coaches, non-entities, and powerpoint experts. For once, can we not 'think out of the box' and hire someone with experience, who knows how to motivate and grind out the results we need. This is another shitshow in the making.

[Sheaf Saint]

11 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

Given that beggars can’t be choosers and we are currently very much beggars, the only manager we will attract will come with risk. 

Are we? The club's finances are actually pretty healthy, so we could afford to hire a more proven manager if we so desired. It's just not the Sport Republic way to do anything that doesn't make them look like they're trying to reinvent football.

Edited 12 hours ago by Sheaf Saint

[Saint Fan CaM]

I’m not concerned whether it’s Rohl or Still TBH - either way, if the re-shaping and upgrading of the 1st team is insufficient either of them will fail and we’ll carry on the same old management merry-go-round that we’ve been used to. Conversely, if they get the team and tactics right, playing fast attack minded football, either of them are likely to be a success. Thing is, when we watch a game of football we’re watching the players, not the Manager - hence the appointment in itself doesn’t really excite me too much - it’s all about player skill, the performance and results baby!

Edited 12 hours ago by Saint Fan CaM

[wild-saint]

5 hours ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

Because they didn't have the disaster of the relegation season we have had

fuck me you are full of shyte. Someone with knowledge of history surely knows Sheffield United were terrible on 16 points and Burnley not much better on 24. They weren't disasters of a relegation season, no?  

[hypochondriac]

28 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

Given that beggars can’t be choosers and we are currently very much beggars, the only manager we will attract will come with risk. 

Bollocks are we. If Ipswich keep McKenna we are the top championship job other than Leicester. 

[AlexLaw76]

31 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

Given that beggars can’t be choosers and we are currently very much beggars, the only manager we will attract will come with risk. 

Talking nonsense 

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

that's about it, but they also need to do funny interviews. People disliked Puel from the start because his interviews were laugh a minute. 

Not me. I disliked him for his turgid football and dismissal of Europe.

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Talking nonsense 

Why is it nonsense? You think we can attract a risk free manager given we have had such a shit show of a season and gone through 3 managers yet again? Will hardly have a queue of proven managers lining up for the role. 

[sadoldgit]

33 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

Given that beggars can’t be choosers and we are currently very much beggars, the only manager we will attract will come with risk. 

Every manager appointment comes with a risk (granted, some more than others!).

Despite the dreadful season this is still a good job prospect for certain types of managers. Of course we are never going to attract those at the very top of the food chain.

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

1 minute ago, sadoldgit said:

Every manager appointment comes with a risk (granted, some more than others!).

Despite the dreadful season this is still a good job prospect for certain types of managers. Of course we are never going to attract those at the very top of the food chain.

Agreed. Let’s just hope we get the appointment right for a change. As others have said, we will need a whole lot of correct decisions this summer on the player side too

[Wade Garrett]

16 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

Why is it nonsense? You think we can attract a risk free manager given we have had such a shit show of a season and gone through 3 managers yet again? Will hardly have a queue of proven managers lining up for the role. 

Depends what salary we offer and what our transfer plans are.

[Morse]

The only reason Will Still is known by anyone is he was/is an unusually young manager, who never played football but learnt the skills of football managing on a computer game. That's an interesting story that makes good copy for the media. 

Had he been 10 years old and had a career of 500 games in a pro league before going into coaching nobody would be aware of his unremarkable managerial stats. 

I'm surprised our technical director is prepared to take this huge gamble. 

[skintsaint]

3 minutes ago, Morse said:

Had he been 10 years old and had a career of 500 games in a pro league before going into coaching nobody would be aware of his unremarkable managerial stats.

🤔

[disconnect]

2 minutes ago, Morse said:

The only reason Will Still is known by anyone is he was/is an unusually young manager, who never played football but learnt the skills of football managing on a computer game. That's an interesting story that makes good copy for the media. 

Had he been 10 years old and had a career of 500 games in a pro league before going into coaching nobody would be aware of his unremarkable managerial stats. 

I'm surprised our technical director is prepared to take this huge gamble. 

If he were 10 years old and had played 500 pro games I'm pretty sure he'd be one of the most famous sports people on the planet. 

[woodsaint1]

1 hour ago, LGTL said:

Hopefully he’s as good as the last ginge to manage us.

Regardless of MNF appearances and YouTube clips, appointing him is a massive risk and anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. 

Appointing Rohl would also be a risk, as would Lampard, as would Cooper

[Dusic]

The concept of hiring a "risk free manager" is absolute nonsense.

The last time Saints did this it was probably George Burley.

The only recent(ish) PL ones I can consider that might meet this category are Moyes at Everton (although they always say don't go back), Potter at West Ham (going well...), maybe Mourinho and Conte at Spurs (didn't work) and possibly Hodgson back to Palace?

Run through the current PL top 10 and only Pep could have been considered a pretty safe bet when he was appointed, there are some big, big risks in there.

I assume the name people refer to his someone like Cooper. He has probably peaked in what he did with Forest and regardless - if we want a high intensity style then it was never going to be him.

 

[woodsaint1]

1 hour ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

I’m not concerned whether it’s Rohl or Still TBH - either way, if the re-shaping and upgrading of the 1st team is insufficient either of them will fail and we’ll carry on the same old management merry-go-round that we’ve been used to. Conversely, if they get the team and tactics right, playing fast attack minded football, either of them are likely to be a success. Thing is, when we watch a game of football we’re watching the players, not the Manager - hence the appointment in itself doesn’t really excite me too much - it’s all about player skill, the performance and results baby!

Exactly. While the manager is important, if they're left to work with a poor group of players then they're not going to achieve anything. The recruitment in the summer and subsequent windows is crucial for us to have any sort of progression

[Morse]

4 minutes ago, disconnect said:

If he were 10 years old and had played 500 pro games I'm pretty sure he'd be one of the most famous sports people on the planet. 

I'm not editing, it's worth keeping . 😁

[Convict Colony]

1 hour ago, LGTL said:

Hopefully he’s as good as the last ginge to manage us.

Regardless of MNF appearances and YouTube clips, appointing him is a massive risk and anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. 

Honestly people need more perspective on us and the championship and what Still has done.

• He's managed 101 games in ligue 1.
• He went on something like a 17 game unbeaten run with Rheims in his first season.
• Improved Lens season this year by 1pt, which does not sound like much but the club sold Khusanov to city for 40m, wahi for 27m to marseille, Danso to Spurs for 25m and samba 14m to rennes and spent 24m to replace them.
• He's voluntarily left them so not been sacked and grew up watching english football.

I think he has enough and shown enough about himself that he has the adaptitude to bring something unique and attacking to the club whilst making us defensively sound.

The biggest factor as always will be the players, i think still would be a breathe of fresh air and a manager on the rise like Rohl.

[trousers]

Anyone seen any recent comments on Still from Lens fans? Given how accurate the feedback from Swansea fans on Martin were, it would be interesting/revealing to hear from the Lens fan base 

[Convict Colony]

4 minutes ago, trousers said:

Anyone seen any recent comments on Still from Lens fans? Given how accurate the feedback from Swansea fans on Martin were, it would be interesting/revealing to hear from the Lens fan base 

If its anything like this forum i would give it a swerve 🤣

[Doctoroncall]

3 minutes ago, trousers said:

Anyone seen any recent comments on Still from Lens fans? Given how accurate the feedback from Swansea fans on Martin were, it would be interesting/revealing to hear from the Lens fan base 

And also fans from Reims. 

[The Kraken]

9 minutes ago, trousers said:

Anyone seen any recent comments on Still from Lens fans? Given how accurate the feedback from Swansea fans on Martin were, it would be interesting/revealing to hear from the Lens fan base 

I tried reading their forum but it was like reading a foreign language.

[manji]

1 hour ago, wild-saint said:

fuck me you are full of shyte. Someone with knowledge of history surely knows Sheffield United were terrible on 16 points and Burnley not much better on 24. They weren't disasters of a relegation season, no?  

Yes don’t get it. We’ve had far worse seasons than this as Fitzhugh knows well. The big difference is every fucker has the opportunity to moan it amplifies it 

I was working in city centre when we couldn’t afford to pay any of the staff the only way I knew what was going on was someone working at the club would come in and I’d hear some chat. That was visceral people losing their jobs, telling me about it. It really did feel like the end of the club imagine if we’d had social media then ? 
 

We aren’t a laughing stock basket case whatever . I’m not even backing SR on this we are in position where they have to sort things so let’s ave it Dragan what you got ?

[Appy]

How many ginger managers have we had? Koeman and WGS? Pretty good Ginger success ratio. 

[sockeye]

Sheffield United last season arguably were just as bad as us this season with comedic scorelines nearly every week and setting records for goals conceded. I definitely remember them getting a lot more stick. People just seem to have pitied us this year

[Toussaint]

31 minutes ago, Dusic said:

The concept of hiring a "risk free manager" is absolute nonsense.

The last time Saints did this it was probably George Burley.

The only recent(ish) PL ones I can consider that might meet this category are Moyes at Everton (although they always say don't go back), Potter at West Ham (going well...), maybe Mourinho and Conte at Spurs (didn't work) and possibly Hodgson back to Palace?

Run through the current PL top 10 and only Pep could have been considered a pretty safe bet when he was appointed, there are some big, big risks in there.

I assume the name people refer to his someone like Cooper. He has probably peaked in what he did with Forest and regardless - if we want a high intensity style then it was never going to be him.

 

Has anyone said “risk free?” I’ve seen “high risk”  used, you’d have to agree he’s higher risk than some of the others touted.
 

Would Still have been your choice, if not who? He definitely wouldn’t have been anywhere near my list, but if we appoint him, I  will keep an open mind. 

[hypochondriac]

If what Blackmore says is true, looks like Rohl is our first choice but they don't want to pay compensation. That's a real bummer if accurate. 

[trousers]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

If what Blackmore says is true, looks like Rohl is our first choice but they don't want to pay compensation. That's a real bummer if accurate. 

 

 

[Willo of Whiteley]

2 hours ago, DT said:

Southampton, the club where they do things like hire rugby coaches, non-entities, and powerpoint experts. For once, can we not 'think out of the box' and hire someone with experience, who knows how to motivate and grind out the results we need. This is another shitshow in the making.

Have you ever listened to a Will Still interview?

Or read or watched his tactics?

He’s no different to any other manager out there. It’s a risk, but weirdly refreshing, young hungry British manager with one hell of an opportunity.

I couldn’t care less what his background is as long as the results come.

There is no guarantee we get better results with an established coach. (See Ivan Juric).

[revolution saint]

1 hour ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

I’m not concerned whether it’s Rohl or Still TBH - either way, if the re-shaping and upgrading of the 1st team is insufficient either of them will fail and we’ll carry on the same old management merry-go-round that we’ve been used to. Conversely, if they get the team and tactics right, playing fast attack minded football, either of them are likely to be a success. Thing is, when we watch a game of football we’re watching the players, not the Manager - hence the appointment in itself doesn’t really excite me too much - it’s all about player skill, the performance and results baby!

Yep, I’m the same. Get the squad right and any of the candidates will probably be fine. 

[Willo of Whiteley]

41 minutes ago, trousers said:

Anyone seen any recent comments on Still from Lens fans? Given how accurate the feedback from Swansea fans on Martin were, it would be interesting/revealing to hear from the Lens fan base 

I remember reading a Swansea fan two years ago say that Russell Martin football would be a bit slow and take five or six games to come together, and then it will click. You can’t argue, on that occasion it did.

If we could have the same insight into Will Still I’m all for it.

[Wade Garrett]

58 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

Appointing Rohl would also be a risk, as would Lampard, as would Cooper

How is Cooper a risk?  Been there and done it, also coached the young England sides to success.  
Promoted from nowhere with Forest, kept them up.  Was tainted by his Forest connection from day one at Leicester.

[trousers]

2 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

How is Cooper a risk?  Been there and done it, also coached the young England sides to success.  
Promoted from nowhere with Forest, kept them up.  Was tainted by his Forest connection from day one at Leicester.

Every appointment has a risk element to be fair. Some are riskier than others, granted. 

[Badger]

8 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

If what Blackmore says is true, looks like Rohl is our first choice but they don't want to pay compensation. That's a real bummer if accurate. 

Old expression: penny wise, and pound foolish spring to mind.

If true,that they consider him the preferred option - and he has given any encouragement on coming to us -  then absolutely ridiculous that we opt for another candidate.

Thought we’d reached a point that the £ would be less when relegated. Agree it with DR and resolve the compensation after we officially become a Championship club. Alternatively pay it, and get him in (depending on how much …).

When you think how much we’ve wasted on transfer fees, and pay offs, it’s  ludicrous not to work a way of getting their preferred option. 

 

[ErwinK1961]

14 minutes ago, trousers said:

 

 

IF true, that’s pretty crap from us. We knows there’s a buyout clause there, not a good look.

[Appy]

Just now, ErwinK1961 said:

IF true, that’s pretty crap from us. We knows there’s a buyout clause there, not a good look.

Depends how ridiculous the clause is from Chansiri. 

[Gloucester Saint]

19 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

If what Blackmore says is true, looks like Rohl is our first choice but they don't want to pay compensation. That's a real bummer if accurate. 

If Rohl is clearly ahead of Still then it’s bonkers. If it’s more a tie breaker situation and they’re the top two then it’s a more reasonable variable.

Personally I’d go for Steve Cooper but not SR’s cup of tea.

[ErwinK1961]

Just now, Appy said:

Depends how ridiculous the clause is from Chansiri. 

Pretty sure it was £5m to a premier league club and £2m to elsewhere..

[Gloucester Saint]

Just now, ErwinK1961 said:

Pretty sure it was £5m to a premier league club and £2m to elsewhere..

Paid £4m to Luton for Nathan Jones….

[Weston Super Saint]

48 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

If its anything like this forum i would give it a swerve 🤣

Bullshit. That's a strawman argument.

[hypochondriac]

Just now, ErwinK1961 said:

Pretty sure it was £5m to a premier league club and £2m to elsewhere..

Sell Onuachu and we can afford that. 

[Lighthouse]

6 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

How is Cooper a risk?  Been there and done it, also coached the young England sides to success.  
Promoted from nowhere with Forest, kept them up.  Was tainted by his Forest connection from day one at Leicester.

If Cooper was guaranteed to get you promoted then there’d be about five or six clubs every season fighting to offer him £20m for a season’s work. He’s had success in the past but he’s still far from a nailed-on promotion machine, so yes there is still risk attached.

[ErwinK1961]

2 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

If Rohl is clearly ahead of Still then it’s bonkers. If it’s more a tie breaker situation and they’re the top two then it’s a more reasonable variable.

Personally I’d go for Steve Cooper but not SR’s cup of tea.

I guess that’s the crux of it - if they couldn’t split them, then the one for free makes sense. If he was their lead candidate then seems silly to me.

[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

If Cooper was guaranteed to get you promoted then there’d be about five or six clubs every season fighting to offer him £20m for a season’s work. He’s had success in the past but he’s still far from a nailed-on promotion machine, so yes there is still risk attached.

Is it not more that we want someone for the Prem as well? Not sure Cooper is that man. Otherwise may as well just get Martin back in as he got us promoted last time.