Will Still Poll - Keep or Replace?

[Fabrice29]

9 minutes ago, egg said:

That's a terrible point. They haven't got our players. 

So the players are indicators and not the managers English football experience? Exactly what my ‘terrible’ point was.

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, S-Clarke said:

But after 6 games you can't say that, in my opinion.

I think when you look at the number of managers we've switched around in the last 3-4 years, you have to seriously look deeper at this point. 1) who is making the picks, and 2) are there any core players who over-hang all managers?

Those two points are where the problem is, and as long as they don't change, changing the manager will make absolutely zero difference other than spinning us into more and more and more financial debt.

6 games with a whole pre season and £60m spent...

if it aint working it aint working

[Baird of the land]

If they delay longer than the end of the month (and there is no drastic upturn) it’ll be in real danger of being too late by the time they sack him.

[Badger]

2 hours ago, stfrancisofbenali said:

No self-respecting club replaces a new manager after only six games, especially a kid who’s so new to the game. 

 

1 hour ago, beatlesaint said:

You cant replace him yet, thats ridiculous. 

BUT, he will need time to adapt to not only the Championship but managing in England. The French league is nothing like ours.

These may be reasons to have some sympathy for the position Still is in, but what does it say about the recruitment in the first place, and the dickhead who appointed him.

It also underlines the simple fact; the poor fucker is completely out of his depth. 

[hypochondriac]

I think we need to give him a few more games to see if he can turn it around. What we have seen so far is totally unacceptable though with no sign it's going to be turned around. I don't know what system he is trying to play. We wasted a load of games playing five at the back when we never played that in preseason and now in a four if anything we look worse. Our defence is a disgrace given our financial resources and the fact we can't create any chances at all with the quality of players we have is baffling. Azaz, Fellows, Downs, Jander, Robinson, Edozie, Sesay, Matsuki, Scienza had nothing to do with last year's debacle. The manager should be able to put something out using those players to create more than one or two half chances over an entire game.

Edited 3 hours ago by hypochondriac

[Badger]

23 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Should we have stuck with Jones? Martin last season.......maybe should have given the job full time to Rusk?

 

If it aint working, it aint working

People calling for the next three games, .. if he hasn’t done it by Derby, next international break etc ..

It  reminds me we went through the same with Lego last season when it was obvious to all but the imbeciles at SR that he was hopelessly out of his depth and wouldn’t turn things round as long as he had a hole in his arse. 

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, Badger said:

People calling for the next three games, .. if he hasn’t done it by Derby, next international break etc ..

It  reminds me we went through the same with Lego last season when it was obvious to all but the imbeciles at SR that he was hopelessly out of his depth and wouldn’t turn things round as long as he had a hole in his arse. 

I think the reason to give still a few more games imo is because the new players have only really had a couple of games and some even less than that. I think we need a bit more evidence how his style- whatever it is -translates to some of these new players.

Edited 3 hours ago by hypochondriac

[Dusic]

Getting rid of him is ludicrous but demanding better and being angry at the pwasted opportunity is absolutely fair.

[Osvaldorama]

Problem is, in this league, giving it a few games could be the difference between making the playoffs and missing out altogether. 

 

I can see both sides really. I understand how bad it is to change yet again. It does feel too soon and knee jerk. 
 

But as I said in my objective assessment post.. things are as bad as it gets. There are no positives of his tenure so far. And he doesn’t have the CV to say he can fix this. 
 

We have a lot of money and firepower for this level, this season. We can’t waste it. Otherwise we’ll be in a proper mess. 

[hypochondriac]

A mate of mine made a good point today. We got rid of a lot of our proven championship performers from our starting 11 but the replacements have been worse thus far. Smallbone, Aribo, Edozie, Bree have shown they can do a half decent job in this league. I understand why we have replaced them all but I do wonder how sensible a strategy it has been.

[Saint_Tony]

He needs to buck up his ideas fast. Slow build up and cross after cross into the box just doesn't work. There's no one to attack the ball with any aggression. He's got plenty of new players so should be given a few more games to get things going, but it looks unlikely. As others have mentioned though, time is running out. The autos are out of reach already so it will be a race for the playoffs. It only takes one decent run to get in the mix. 6 games until November and a minimum of 4 wins required, which seems unlikely right now given the level of opposition we will be facing.

[Badger]

19 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I think the reason to give still a few more games imo is because the new players have only really had a couple of games and some even less than that. I think we need a bit more evidence how his style- whatever it is -translates to some of these new players.

It’s very commendable to want to give him a sporting chance, and give him longer for the reasons you give. But I’ve not seen anything in our performances to suggest he will take advantage of the better players. And there is no track record in this league or country  to back him up.*

* await the Ligue 1 comparisons. Which is fine. Perhaps he’d be better off managing there. 

[stfrancisofbenali]

23 minutes ago, Saint_Tony said:

He needs to buck up his ideas fast. Slow build up and cross after cross into the box just doesn't work. There's no one to attack the ball with any aggression. He's got plenty of new players so should be given a few more games to get things going, but it looks unlikely. As others have mentioned though, time is running out. The autos are out of reach already so it will be a race for the playoffs. It only takes one decent run to get in the mix. 6 games until November and a minimum of 4 wins required, which seems unlikely right now given the level of opposition we will be facing.

The autos are out of reach already? We’re six games into the season and unlike the Prem, all clubs currently in the top 6 will have a bad spell. Four wins on the bounce in this league and you’re in contention again. 

[Harry_SFC]

He needs to start showing some balls. Dropping the keeper and both CB's would be a good start. 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

2 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

He needs to start showing some balls. Dropping the keeper and both CB's would be a good start. 

Agree with dropping Baz. McCarthy needs to be in for the next couple of games. Another poor showing from Baz at the weekend and fans will be really on his back. Not sure about replacing both Stephens and THB at once. We have five recognised centre backs and they are all pretty limited. Never thought I would say this but think Stephens would be the one to play, but he needs a dominant player alongside him, which we don't seem to have at the moment. THB needs to stop thinking he is the next Beckenbauer and just actually defend.

[saintant]

55 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Problem is, in this league, giving it a few games could be the difference between making the playoffs and missing out altogether. 

 

I can see both sides really. I understand how bad it is to change yet again. It does feel too soon and knee jerk. 
 

But as I said in my objective assessment post.. things are as bad as it gets. There are no positives of his tenure so far. And he doesn’t have the CV to say he can fix this. 
 

We have a lot of money and firepower for this level, this season. We can’t waste it. Otherwise we’ll be in a proper mess. 

I don't see the desperation to make the play-offs never mind top two as we wouldn't be ready to try again in the PL and it would likely be another disastrous season ahead. To me we need a gradual reset and a little time to build a good side with good habits which is why I am prepared to give Will Still more time plus the new players also need time to find their feet which always happens when moving to new clubs - it's just not new team mates and new style of football it also involves relocating etc etc. However, if there are no signs of progress after another 10 games then questions will have to be asked and decisions made.

[LGTL]

I voted for him to go as we’ve all been here before and know exactly how it ends, so pointless wasting time.

However, I feel a bit sorry for him as he’s a 32 year old inexperienced manager in this country. He’s younger than some of the players FFS, has never managed in England and regardless of any tactical ability, that’s tough. So naturally, you’d expect the club to fill those positions around him with experience. Instead, we get Adam Lallana, a 37 year old ex player with absolutely zero managerial experience except being among a team who presided over a 12 point season. And Paul Trollope, a Championship nobody last seen relegated with Luton. 

It’s fucking shambolic all round. 

[Dr. Kucho]

I was pleased when we signed Still and looking forward to the new season. But like others have said, this season has started disappointing and I can’t figure out why.

We signed some good championship players in Azaz and Fellows, Charles returned and THB, Manning, Armstrong, Stewart etc aren’t too bad either. 

In his pre and post match press conferences Still says exactly what we often think and can identify where it went wrong. But watching us against the Skates and its so frustrating. 

We can’t continue to hire and fire managers whilst at other clubs they do decent jobs (Still at the French and Belgium clubs, Juric at some Italian clubs, Jones at Luton and Charlton). Makes you wonder if it’s something else that causes them to fail. 

That said I voted to give him more time, but results have to come very soon or this season isn’t going to be a lot of fun. 

[Football Special]

2 hours ago, Baird of the land said:

If they delay longer than the end of the month (and there is no drastic upturn) it’ll be in real danger of being too late by the time they sack him.

It's possible we slip into bottom 3 next weekend with a defeat , I think that could be a tipping point 

[SouSaint]

Not seeing any improvements under him, if anything we've got worse game by game. 

It's pointless sacking him though because the biggest issue at the club are the people running the show. We will continue to be a shitshow while Sport Republic own this club, it's laughable that most fans seem happy to be spoon fed their bullshit every 12 months when they try and reset. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

Can’t keep sacking managers. 
 

Deserves until Xmas, with “deserves” doing a lot of heavy lifting there. Long heavy season, and our squad strength should have us in and around the play offs by then. If not, depending on who is available, and how we’re playing, I’d make a decision then. Unless we shit the bed next month, I’d give him longer.