#Spygate

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 minute ago, Football Special said:

None of that makes sense, they are not the prosecution 

But haven't Norwich confirmed that haven't said or given anything to them? I've read so nuch about this shite, i might have made that up

[coalman]

2 minutes ago, Football Special said:

None of that makes sense, they are not the prosecution 

Not just the prosecution. They've also been judge and jury too.

[Midfield_General]

Can't believe people are still reacting to stuff being posted on Boro forums by anonymous internet dickheads

Come on lads, seriously

🤣

Edited 3 hours ago by Midfield_General

[Wade Garrett]

3 hours ago, Football Special said:

Propaganda really does work,  been incredible coordinated approach 

You've had hypocritical cunts like Henry Winter piling in on Saints when he was playing quite a different tune for Leeds a few years back. 

That cunt Henry Winter should be pulled for this.  Fucking prick.

[trousers]

15 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

"Magic Man" is indeed a Well-known member...

[Give it to Ron]

2 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

But haven't Norwich confirmed that haven't said or given anything to them? I've read so nuch about this shite, i might have made that up

Yes their DOF said they are not involved

[trousers]

3 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

But haven't Norwich confirmed that haven't said or given anything to them?

Correct

[The Kraken]

2 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

But haven't Norwich confirmed that haven't said or given anything to them? I've read so nuch about this shite, i might have made that up

Haven’t seen anything direct from Norwich but it’s been reported in their local paper. Hull have also confirmed they’re not involved and have no suspicions.

https://www.pinkun.com/sport/norwich-city/26107081.no-city-role-spygate-scandal-despite-social-media-claims/#:~:text=Norwich City are not among,on preparations for next season.

[Wade Garrett]

29 minutes ago, coalman said:

Ideal outcome Saints get a fine and 3 points deduction. The panel recommends sanctions for Boro for their attempts to undermine the process.

Fuck the points deduction.

[egg]

26 minutes ago, coalman said:

He was employed by us for maybe three months.

He either has relevant evidence or he doesn't. 

[bpsaint]

Poor Jason Taylor better be on the look at for anyone with Serbian accents hanging around the area 🤣

[Saint NL]

The Boro fans have a real bad case of Southampton Delusion Syndrome (SDS).

Symptoms include a wet undercarriage, lack of critical thinking and delusional thoughts.

[Arjen Robben]

29 minutes ago, coalman said:

Ideal outcome Saints get a fine and 3 points deduction. The panel recommends sanctions for Boro for their attempts to undermine the process.

Ideal situation is Boro get deducted 9 points for next season for wasting everyones fricking time !!

[The Kraken]

2 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said:

Yes their DOF said they are not involved

That was Hull. Norwich just being reported in the Pink ‘Un.

[saintant]

30 minutes ago, coalman said:

Ideal outcome Saints get a fine and 3 points deduction. The panel recommends sanctions for Boro for their attempts to undermine the process.

Boro need to hope they don't get fast tracked to Wembley - imagine their unfit players on that massive pitch, they'd be going down with cramp in the warm-up.

[Appy]

20 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

It’s already been confirmed that Norwich aren’t involved so this is bollocks. 

[saintant]

28 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

One club on the hook for 'spying', the other had had a transfer embargo

One for the purists 

Not as corrupt as the FA Cup Final 🙂

[sandwichsaint]

8 minutes ago, njs said:

What I can’t get my head around is why the EFL didn’t pause the competition as soon as allegation was made. If they had fast tracked it and found us guilty then the Boro v Hull final could still be played within the original timeframe. Carrying on playing the Boro games should imply that they carry on with the final and deal with the consequences later. If we were doing guilty after winning the final they could award promotion to Hull. It really seems as though they’ve left it too late. 

If they had fast tracked it and found us not guilty? Then they would still have needed to play our two legs, unless you are suggesting Midds had been expelled? Not sure you’ve thought this through.

[Harry_SFC]

1 minute ago, saintant said:

Boro need to hope they don't get fast tracked to Wembley - imagine their unfit players on that massive pitch, they'd be going down with cramp in the warm-up.

One of the unfittest sides I've seen I think.

In both games they looked knackered after half time. 

[Toadhall Saint]

5 minutes ago, egg said:

He either has relevant evidence or he doesn't. 

Could be inadmissible 

[sockeye]

1 minute ago, Harry_SFC said:

One of the unfittest sides I've seen I think.

In both games they looked knackered after half time. 

Russell Martin shadow coach

[Lee On Solent Saint]

3 minutes ago, Appy said:

It’s already been confirmed that Norwich aren’t involved so this is bollocks. 

Perhaps Gibson has employed the services of "Magic Man" to pull a rabbit out of the hat.

[Willo of Whiteley]

8 minutes ago, trousers said:

"Magic Man" is indeed a Well-known member...

Is he the equivalent of our “DT” or “Fabrice”?

Edited 3 hours ago by Willo of Whiteley

[saintant]

15 minutes ago, Football Special said:

None of that makes sense, they are not the prosecution 

Got to humour the Neanderthals.

[hypochondriac]

The main realistic outcomes are these:

The independent commission recommends that we are kicked out of the playoffs. We will of course appeal, apply for injunctions etc. Under that there is no way that the final will be able to be played without us. Not sure what happens from there, maybe it's delayed but seems unlikely to be sorted quickly.

We don't get kicked out and get some other sanction. Clearly in that circumstance Steve Gibson will take legal action against us and along with some sort of sanction we will probably end up having to pay Middlesbrough separately in a settlement to go away. This will probably be a few million and likely to be expensive along with a points deduction next year and a fine to the efl. 

[Give it to Ron]

7 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

That was Hull. Norwich just being reported in the Pink ‘Un.

Ah yes….so much shit on this

🚨 Despite a self-proclaimed insider, who has been wrong in almost every claim made about Norwich City, stating that they were a club involved in providing “Spygate” evidence, the club have confirmed that they have no involvement #saintsfc @pinkun

[BotleySaint]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

The main realistic outcomes are these:

The independent commission recommends that we are kicked out of the playoffs. We will of course appeal, apply for injunctions etc. Under that there is no way that the final will be able to be played without us. Not sure what happens from there, maybe it's delayed but seems unlikely to be sorted quickly.

We don't get kicked out and get some other sanction. Clearly in that circumstance Steve Gibson will take legal action against us and along with some sort of sanction we will probably end up having to pay Middlesbrough separately in a settlement to go away. This will probably be a few million and likely to be expensive along with a points deduction next year and a fine to the efl. 

Or Option 3 - the evidence is reviewed and basically found to be wanting. We get no punishment and Middleborough look like even bigger idiots.

[sandwichsaint]

5 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

One of the unfittest sides I've seen I think.

In both games they looked knackered after half time. 

Smog gets in your lungs, it’s a wonder our man got out alive.

[benjii]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

The main realistic outcomes are these:

The independent commission recommends that we are kicked out of the playoffs. We will of course appeal, apply for injunctions etc. Under that there is no way that the final will be able to be played without us. Not sure what happens from there, maybe it's delayed but seems unlikely to be sorted quickly.

We don't get kicked out and get some other sanction. Clearly in that circumstance Steve Gibson will take legal action against us and along with some sort of sanction we will probably end up having to pay Middlesbrough separately in a settlement to go away. This will probably be a few million and likely to be expensive along with a points deduction next year and a fine to the efl. 

I don’t think we would need to pay him anything at all. He would have to prove a loss, which he can't. 

[SotonianWill]

12 minutes ago, trousers said:

"Magic Man" is indeed a Well-known member...

So we’re to believe we were cheating when Will Still was manager (Bristol City was one of his games pre December). 

 

Obviously has no impact then. Play on! 

[saintant]

6 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

One of the unfittest sides I've seen I think.

In both games they looked knackered after half time. 

Makes you winder what they do on that now infamous training pitch.

[benjii]

I feel a bit sorry for Hull.

 

Only a bit.

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, BotleySaint said:

Or Option 3 - the evidence is reviewed and basically found to be wanting. We get no punishment and Middleborough look like even bigger idiots.

We’ll get a sanction. That I am certain, no denial what so ever has been made.

best case is a fine, with a suspended points deduction.

most likely, big fine and -3 points 

least likely expulsion from the final. 

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, BotleySaint said:

Or Option 3 - the evidence is reviewed and basically found to be wanting. We get no punishment and Middleborough look like even bigger idiots.

Extremely unlikely given we haven't contested the charges and we are basically bang to rights. 

[Pamplemousse]

1 minute ago, benjii said:

I feel a bit sorry for Hull.

 

Only a bit.

I feel sorry for their fans. It's a long way to go and the uncertainty isn't fair.

That's why this hearing should take place after the final.

[Sheaf Saint]

11 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

Could be inadmissible 

If we've only been charged over the Boro incident, then it's irrelevant. At worst it could just give extra weight to the accusation that this wasn't a one-off, but unless he's got concrete proof of written instructions from a senior member of SFC staff to analysts to spy on teams within the 72 hour embargo, which I seriously doubt, it's meaningless anyway.

Edited 3 hours ago by Sheaf Saint

[Whitey Grandad]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

Extremely unlikely given we haven't contested the charges and we are basically bang to rights. 

Haven't we?

Acknowledging the charges is not the same as accepting them.

[obelisk]

Middlesbrough will for ever be known as a whinging bunch of wet fannies who can't take responsibility for their own shortcomings. First brexit, then Fagash and now this. Pathetic bunch of cry-babies.

[The Kraken]

Just now, benjii said:

I feel a bit sorry for Hull.

 

Only a bit.

Not sure why. They’re in the final and playing us as far as they’re concerned. Until they get told otherwise, that’s what they’re preparing for. Their DOF publicly saying they don’t have us as suspects also confirms that they’re focussed solely on a Wembley game against us.

Besides, as Luke Ayling said in his TV interview, this doesn’t really flow to the players.

[hypochondriac]

Just now, Whitey Grandad said:

Haven't we?

Acknowledging the charges is not the same as accepting them.

Our intern was at their ground. Alfie House and Adam have both said we aren't contesting it and have admitted privately that it has happened. They will obviously know. I can't see any scenario where we deny that we were spying, even if we try to mitigate things by suggesting he was a lone wolf. 

[AlexLaw76]

Would be f-ing hilarious if nothing of note come of this.

extremely unlikely I know otherwise I doubt it would gone this far, but would be funny though 

[James G]

I wonder if like every great movie there will be a twist at the end. Like someone invited him to watch, or he was watching their U21s, or something else random

[Dr. Kucho]

Really hope all this spygate doesn’t get to the first team and we make a mess of the final, if we get to play the final..

[Harry_SFC]

Just now, Dr. Kucho said:

Really hope all this spygate doesn’t get to the first team and we make a mess of the final, if we get to play the final..

Tbf it didn't get to them the other night

[BotleySaint]

16 minutes ago, Dr. Kucho said:

Really hope all this spygate doesn’t get to the first team and we make a mess of the final, if we get to play the final..

I think the team spirit is incredible right now.

Everyone is busting a gut and wants to play their part. Sometimes being up against something like this just makes them try even harder. Can't see the likes of Flynn Downes, Ryan Manning or Finn Azaz giving a flying f**k what everyone else thinks.

Edited 3 hours ago by BotleySaint

[sadoldgit]

10 minutes ago, James G said:

I wonder if like every great movie there will be a twist at the end. Like someone invited him to watch, or he was watching their U21s, or something else random

Dogging?

I am amazed at the amount of hate coming our way on social media. Gibson’s hate campaign has travelled like wildfire. We are currently hated more than Jeffrey Epstein!

[Saint86]

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

I must say I'm quite surprised Middlesbrough haven't just been really quiet about all this until the case is over. All the leaking and all the headlines are obviously being done to maximise the pressure and not any sign of confidence on their part. 

I think Gibson is determined to ruin our playoff hopes. Can you imagine how unsettling and off-putting all this is for the players, coaches, and Eckert? He's a slash and burn kinda guy is Gibson. Saints only recourse to 'beat' him, is to go to wembley and win, and then to do everything possible to defend the club and to try and go after Boro/Gibson with everything we've got after the fact.

[AlexLaw76]

If it comes out the final is postponed then it is something significant that has happened.

postponing the final is not really an option for the EFL, surely

[qwertyell]

18 minutes ago, Appy said:

It’s already been confirmed that Norwich aren’t involved so this is bollocks. 

Irrelevant. Norwich don't have to be involved. It's the "whistleblower" that's supposedly presenting the evidence.

If he, as an ex-employee, has the receipts of systemic spying, we'll not have much of a leg to stand on - and it could open us up to further charges down the line. 

It's a mess of the club's own doing, and we'll have no-one else to blame if the sanctions are pretty harsh. Boro have been royally hysterical about it, but they're not the ones who were caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Or standing in plain sight to the side of the cookie jar waving their phone in the air like a useless cunt. 

 

 

[PerthshireSaint]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

If it comes out the final is postponed then it is something significant that has happened.

postponing the final is not really an option for the EFL, surely

Especially if 70k tickets have been sold already.