Turkish Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 5 minutes ago, Cuddles said: Scienza to Blackburn? Might be doing with Stewart what Liverpool did with Ricky. Get one up there and the others will follow. VERY worrying times 1 2 1
Badger Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Turkish said: Might be doing with Stewart what Liverpool did with Ricky. Get one up there and the others will follow. VERY worrying times Was always going to be a difficult summer, bringing back memories of 2014 as you say. But we might be able to hold onto BBD, Archer and Downs (Sods Law he has just hit form at this stage of the window).And perhaps Bazunu. All is not lost yet. 1 2
RedArmy Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 12 minutes ago, Cuddles said: Scienza to Blackburn? Oh fucking hell I give up with this club I really do. 1
RedArmy Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 1 minute ago, Badger said: Was always going to be a difficult summer, bringing back memories of 2014 as you say. But we might be able to hold onto BBD, Archer and Downs (Sods Law he has just hit form at this stage of the window).And perhaps Bazunu. All is not lost yet. If we sell BBD I’m going to cancel my Dhgate order. I can’t give this club any more of my money. 6
Badger Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 4 minutes ago, RedArmy said: If we sell BBD I’m going to cancel my Dhgate order. I can’t give this club any more of my money. Wouldn’t have happened under Gao’s watch.
CB Fry Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 6 minutes ago, Badger said: Wouldn’t have happened under Gao’s watch. I miss those hopeful optimistic days. A redeveloped docklands marina, Saints in a pure plain red kit, and 150 million or so new Chinese supporters What went wrong 2
MarkSFC Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago As much as I like Scienza, Im not convinced hes good enough for the Prem, and certainly not a side going for say top 8. I think hes a bit lightweight for that level. I hope he stays, we go up, and he gets his chance that way. But Id be happy with 30m+ for him this summer too! 12 1
Turkish Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 18 minutes ago, CB Fry said: I miss those hopeful optimistic days. A redeveloped docklands marina, Saints in a pure plain red kit, and 150 million or so new Chinese supporters What went wrong We have never recovered since The failure to reveal the five pledges a pivotal moment in our decline 1
Willo of Whiteley Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 7 hours ago, CSA96 said: Bit arrogant some of those comments. He went missing towards the end of the season. 3
Tommy Mulgrew Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago Sacha Tavolieri reports that Nolan Galves has chosen West Bromwich Albion and a full agreement has been reached between WBA and the French defender. Galves will have a four-year contract. The deal is described as historic, as Galves becomes the first French defender playing in Ligue 2 to move directly to the Championship in the 21st century. 1h ago Ben Jacobs reports that Nolan Galves has agreed to join West Brom from Ligue 2 side Rodez, with a deal currently being finalised. West Brom signed the 23-year-old defender despite competition from multiple Championship suitors.
Patches O Houlihan Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago 9 hours ago, SNSUN said: Personally I think we might lose Jander, THB and Charles, the problem obviously is replacing them properly but it could mean other players may agitate for a move if we start to look unambitious. I'm sure the club will want to keep them, just depends on the finances. I'm not sure about Leo, he doesn't seem the sort to go on strike or hand in a transfer request if he doesn't get a move. I guess the good news is that if we lose Jander, THB and Charles that will provide £70m+ with which to rebuild the team. I agree though we had such a good energy in the team a the end of the season it would be a shame to break it up (assuming getting kicked out of the playoffs hasn't already killed it)
Chez Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 10 hours ago, Saint Pete said: Yes, I would say it is worth Saints trying to head off the potential of losing Scienza late in the window by offering improved terms plus agreement to let him leave to a PL team after this season if we don't go up as you say. Whether he will go for that, we don't know... I think the Tonda situation is a poblem as not sure he will make that commitment while there's still a chance we have to change manager. If a PL club comes in for him he will still want to move, so I don't see the point in giving him more money. Why would we want to agree to let him leave next summer? The fact he's tied to a contract is what gives us strength in negotiations..why give that away? 2
hypochondriac Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 8 minutes ago, Chez said: If a PL club comes in for him he will still want to move, so I don't see the point in giving him more money. Why would we want to agree to let him leave next summer? The fact he's tied to a contract is what gives us strength in negotiations..why give that away? TBF if he signed a new contract on more money for a season it would make it much more likely that he doesn't go for a season. More likely that he Just waits it out and sees if someone comes in for him though
Maggie May Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago Scienza can go and I won’t lose sleep over it. I get being thrown out of the playoffs is disappointing but the arrogance shown suggesting we were already guaranteed a place in the Premier League is astounding. Hull may have beaten us. He was a part of the Will Still era that ultimately cost us in the long run. Would he still have moaned if we’d lost in the final? 2 3 1
Saint86 Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago (edited) 15 minutes ago, Maggie May said: Scienza can go and I won’t lose sleep over it. I get being thrown out of the playoffs is disappointing but the arrogance shown suggesting we were already guaranteed a place in the Premier League is astounding. Hull may have beaten us. He was a part of the Will Still era that ultimately cost us in the long run. Would he still have moaned if we’d lost in the final? He signed on 1st September, Still got sacked on 2nd November. In that time, he was only played in 8 league games and had a managed introduction to the first team - playing only 390minutes of the available circa 760mins (8x95)... It's pretty harsh to aportion him blame for "the Will Still era" 😅. The guy is 27/28, has had a pretty rocky life in football, has never downed tools at saints, isn't kicking off or agitating for a move, and is well within his rights to back himself for a prem move and to say he'd consider it if it became available. Personally, I hope he makes it with saints as I suspect that's his best real chance of having a good couple of seasons in the prem - so a win win for all parties. But he has a long contract and we'd get good money for a sale. As with Charles, he isn't irreplaceable and we'll get well paid if he moves... In some ways, it's a good time to sell him. Edited 10 hours ago by Saint86 10
Saint Pete Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 1 hour ago, Chez said: If a PL club comes in for him he will still want to move, so I don't see the point in giving him more money. Why would we want to agree to let him leave next summer? The fact he's tied to a contract is what gives us strength in negotiations..why give that away? Because he may agree to commit to another season with us if we offer him those improved terms. Realistically, he will not stay beyond the end of this season if we don't get promoted again. Obviously, we should stipulate that we will only let him leave next summer if we get a high enough offer. At the end of the day, only Scienza and his agent know how desperate he is to move to Prem now.
Saint Pete Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 28 minutes ago, Maggie May said: Scienza can go and I won’t lose sleep over it. I get being thrown out of the playoffs is disappointing but the arrogance shown suggesting we were already guaranteed a place in the Premier League is astounding. Hull may have beaten us. He was a part of the Will Still era that ultimately cost us in the long run. Would he still have moaned if we’d lost in the final? I didn't read his comments as arrogance or that he is "moaning". He's just saying it was frustrating that the chance of reaching the Prem last season was taken away through something beyond his and the players control. Factually correct. He wants to play in the Prem so he's saying he wants to talk to the club about the best way of him achieving that. I don't see it as a problem that he is open about that, it's quite refreshing rather than the usual interviews where players just blandly say they are happy with everything when you know they are probably instructing their agents to get them a move elsewhere. He's saying he is "open to anything" so I still have hope he may commit to one more season in the Championship if he feels there's still a strong chance of getting to the Prem with us next season. 2
Chez Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 1 hour ago, Saint Pete said: Because he may agree to commit to another season with us if we offer him those improved terms. Realistically, he will not stay beyond the end of this season if we don't get promoted again. Obviously, we should stipulate that we will only let him leave next summer if we get a high enough offer. At the end of the day, only Scienza and his agent know how desperate he is to move to Prem now. He's contracted until 2029. We don't need to do anything to retain his services for another year. If a PL side comes in and offers £30m, financially it makes sense to us and of course he wants to play in the PL, so he goes. If they don't, whether he wants the move or not, he stays. How happy he is, is another question. As I mentioned, the issue will be if we get an offer of say £20m. He may feel that the club doubling their money in a year is suffice. We may disagree...and then things start to get messy. 1
Oldandtired Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 13 hours ago, MarkSFC said: As much as I like Scienza, Im not convinced hes good enough for the Prem, and certainly not a side going for say top 8. I think hes a bit lightweight for that level. I hope he stays, we go up, and he gets his chance that way. But Id be happy with 30m+ for him this summer too! This...exactly. 2
bangkoksaint Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 9 minutes ago, Chez said: He's contracted until 2029. We don't need to do anything to retain his services for another year. If a PL side comes in and offers £30m, financially it makes sense to us and of course he wants to play in the PL, so he goes. If they don't, whether he wants the move or not, he stays. How happy he is, is another question. As I mentioned, the issue will be if we get an offer of say £20m. He may feel that the club doubling their money in a year is suffice. We may disagree...and then things start to get messy. Unless he does a Morgan and is professional about it 2
Chez Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 1 hour ago, Saint Pete said: He wants to play in the Prem so he's saying he wants to talk to the club about the best way of him achieving that. What a strange phrase. What is the club going to say other than "get promotion"? All players want to play in the PL. he just doesn't want to be prevented from doing so by a high asking price and any discussion will be along the lines of. "I want to be allowed to leave for a PL club if they offer £Xm...oh and in the mean time I want my wage to increase". 1
Saint Pete Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 17 minutes ago, Chez said: He's contracted until 2029. We don't need to do anything to retain his services for another year. If a PL side comes in and offers £30m, financially it makes sense to us and of course he wants to play in the PL, so he goes. If they don't, whether he wants the move or not, he stays. How happy he is, is another question. As I mentioned, the issue will be if we get an offer of say £20m. He may feel that the club doubling their money in a year is suffice. We may disagree...and then things start to get messy. Well, as you say, how happy he is if we make him stay without any offer to improve terms is another question. Of course, we can put our foot down and say "you are under contract and you are staying" but experience tells us that doesn't always work out well for the club/team. I suppose the way I'm looking at it, he was our best player last season (majority on here voted him as player of season as I recall) so whilst we don't have to give him a pay rise, I don't see it as ridiculous for us to reward him for his efforts last season, especially if it helps persuade him to give it another season in the Championship to try to get up with us. Of course, it will be difficult to replace the impact he has for us in this league (although I accept noone is irreplaceable) so surely better to keep him as a happy, committed player if at all possible?
Saint86 Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 27 minutes ago, Chez said: As I mentioned, the issue will be if we get an offer of say £20m. He may feel that the club doubling their money in a year is suffice. We may disagree...and then things start to get messy. Not to go all MLG on you, but you don't know that it"will be" an issue. He's done nothing so far to indicate he's kicking off or agitating for a move - if anything he's come across as one of the nicest guys in football and someone who very much lives for the day and whatever life brings. 1
Chez Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Saint86 said: Not to go all MLG on you, but you don't know that it"will be" an issue. He's done nothing so far to indicate he's kicking off or agitating for a move - if anything he's come across as one of the nicest guys in football and someone who very much lives for the day and whatever life brings. Experience tells me that preventing a player leaving due to a exceedingly high transfer fee will create an issue - hence he wants talks to set out his expectation of that fee. If the fee is set too high from his point of view, he wont be jumping for joy. Sure, he's done nothing yet....except state he wants talks. If he was perfectly happy with his current lot and 'living for the day', then why the need for any talks at all? It's obvious what he wants - a reasonable transfer fee that lets him go to the PL and/or a higher wage. Nothing new here.
capitalsaint Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago To be fair to the bloke, he’s been a loyal servant for nearly 11 months. Hats off. 1 8
Osvaldorama Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago His stock is high, ours is low due to missing out on promotion. Just being smart from him. Doesn’t mean much anyway unless a club is willing to pay top money. I still love him 1
Charlie Wayman Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 23 hours ago, Matthew Le God said: Why unless you don't want Stephens to be starting this season would you want that? He and me both, time to bin Stephens and give the younger palyers a chance… and absolutely yes, give the armband to Taylor, a born leader which Stephens most obviously isn't 1
Matthew Le God Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 8 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said: He and me both, time to bin Stephens and give the younger palyers a chance… and absolutely yes, give the armband to Taylor, a born leader which Stephens most obviously isn't What makes you think Stephens isn't a good leader?
Charlie Wayman Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 22 hours ago, Matthew Le God said: When has that happened under the current recruitment team? Why challenge every poster with a question? It's cheap, adds nothing to the dicussion and just gets their backs up. Why not rephrase your opinion e.g; "I don't believe that has happened before under the current recruitment team" Far more positive and other posters might warm to you. 1
Charlie Wayman Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: What makes you think Stephens isn't a good leader? What makes you think Stephens is a good leader? 4
Matthew Le God Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 10 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said: What makes you think Stephens is a good leader? I didn't claim he was 3 1
Matthew Le God Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 16 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said: Why challenge every poster with a question? It's cheap, adds nothing to the dicussion and just gets their backs up. Why not rephrase your opinion e.g; "I don't believe that has happened before under the current recruitment team" Far more positive and other posters might warm to you. Questions get people to think about their positions on a topic. It isn't 'cheap'. 1
coalman Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said: I didn't claim he was Why didn't you claim he was? 5
Monk Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago Putting two and two together but I wonder if Manchester City might explore a loan for Aaron Ramsdale with Trafford leaving and no second choice. They did sign Pierce Charles (Shea's brother) but he's since been loaned to QPR. 1
sockeye Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 7 minutes ago, Monk said: Putting two and two together but I wonder if Manchester City might explore a loan for Aaron Ramsdale with Trafford leaving and no second choice. I’ve got another proposition… GB31. Bring him home, lads. 1
Weston Super Saint Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 16 hours ago, CB Fry said: I miss those hopeful optimistic days. A redeveloped docklands marina, Saints in a pure plain red kit, and 150 million or so new Chinese supporters What went wrong Doesn't even compare to the "greatest era of our lives" tm that we are currently experiencing. 2
skintsaint Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago (edited) 15 minutes ago, Monk said: Putting two and two together but I wonder if Manchester City might explore a loan for Aaron Ramsdale with Trafford leaving and no second choice. They did sign Pierce Charles (Shea's brother) but he's since been loaned to QPR. Nah, sale only please! They got the readies... Edited 5 hours ago by skintsaint
Weston Super Saint Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago Just now, Danbert said: Is this the right room for an argument? Why do you want an argument? 11
Disco Stu Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Danbert said: Is this the right room for an argument? I've told you once. 1
bugenhagen Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said: Questions get people to think about their positions on a topic. It isn't 'cheap'. Friendly tip here: That is correct in a setting where a teacher is talking to a class. Where the aim is for them to discuss without the added information of the teachers own beliefs to sway them. That does not work very well on a forum for discussion like this, where the main point is to share and discuss opinions and thoughts. The only thing you accomplish is to make the other side of the argument/discussion double down on their own beliefs when you offer no opinion of your own, and only question others. In this example that lead to the "why is Stephens not a good leader" question, it looks to me that you did not question the posters stance/belief (THB should be made captain and we should look to start working on a new partnership), you instead found the weakest part of his post/argument - the throwaway comment at the end that Stephens clearly isn't a good leader. And then, when he asks you for your opinion (or questions your question) you reply with "I never claimed he was" - adds nothing to the discussion, and is soley used so that you can keep on argueing without putting a stake in the discussion yourself. That is bound to annoy people and make them not want to engage in discussions with you (unless they just wanna kill some time and have som laughs). If you are a WUM, then you are obviously playing your cards right, but on the off-chance that you are not - I thought i would share my thoughts on what I think makes posters sometimes behave the way they do against you. 21
RedArmy Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 2 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said: He and me both, time to bin Stephens and give the younger palyers a chance… and absolutely yes, give the armband to Taylor, a born leader which Stephens most obviously isn't Not sure about that. I’ve never been Stephens biggest fan but there was a noticeable difference in our ability to keep teams out when he got injured last year. THB and Stephens is one of the best CB pairings in the league. 2
disconnect Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 4 minutes ago, RedArmy said: Not sure about that. I’ve never been Stephens biggest fan but there was a noticeable difference in our ability to keep teams out when he got injured last year. THB and Stephens is one of the best CB pairings in the league. What about Harwood-Bellis and Max Alleyne? I'm not sure if the Alleyne rumour will come to much, but would make sense to get him back on loan to the Championship, and to us. He'd be an upgrade on Wood, who I don't mind, but doesn't seem as natural on the ball as some.
sadoldgit Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 2 hours ago, Matthew Le God said: What makes you think Stephens isn't a good leader? We could start with his needless sending off for hair pulling. There are many other reasons but it is too hot to get into it now As for certain players and their feelings that they might be entitled to a crack at the EPL after last seasons efforts. I wonder if they would feel equally entitled if we had failed to make the play offs? You can’t blame players for wanting to better themselves but at the same time you can’t blame clubs for expecting players to honour more than one year of their contracts.
trousers Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 1 hour ago, bugenhagen said: Friendly tip here: That is correct in a setting where a teacher is talking to a class. Where the aim is for them to discuss without the added information of the teachers own beliefs to sway them. That does not work very well on a forum for discussion like this, where the main point is to share and discuss opinions and thoughts. The only thing you accomplish is to make the other side of the argument/discussion double down on their own beliefs when you offer no opinion of your own, and only question others. In this example that lead to the "why is Stephens not a good leader" question, it looks to me that you did not question the posters stance/belief (THB should be made captain and we should look to start working on a new partnership), you instead found the weakest part of his post/argument - the throwaway comment at the end that Stephens clearly isn't a good leader. And then, when he asks you for your opinion (or questions your question) you reply with "I never claimed he was" - adds nothing to the discussion, and is soley used so that you can keep on argueing without putting a stake in the discussion yourself. That is bound to annoy people and make them not want to engage in discussions with you (unless they just wanna kill some time and have som laughs). If you are a WUM, then you are obviously playing your cards right, but on the off-chance that you are not - I thought i would share my thoughts on what I think makes posters sometimes behave the way they do against you. My sister-in-law is a teacher and she also struggles to converse 'normally' in adult-only environments, instead resorting to a default teacher-pupil dynamic. I don't think she's aware that she does it, and it's not a big deal at the end of the day, but it does help explain why MLG posts in the style that he does (given I believe he's previously stated that he's a teacher?)
bugenhagen Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 1 hour ago, RedArmy said: Not sure about that. I’ve never been Stephens biggest fan but there was a noticeable difference in our ability to keep teams out when he got injured last year. THB and Stephens is one of the best CB pairings in the league. I agree with you. The sum of a good CB partnership is often greater than the sum of its parts, and I think that is true for THB and Stephens. I don't rate Stephens too highly on his own, and would like to have seen him be replaced, but the way they played together makes me not want to break them up...
StrangelyBrown Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 59 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: We could start with his needless sending off for hair pulling. There are many other reasons but it is too hot to get into it now As for certain players and their feelings that they might be entitled to a crack at the EPL after last seasons efforts. I wonder if they would feel equally entitled if we had failed to make the play offs? You can’t blame players for wanting to better themselves but at the same time you can’t blame clubs for expecting players to honour more than one year of their contracts. I think you could look at this more generically - there have been numerous times where Stephens has lost his head and he often gets into pointless arguments with officials rather than trying to galvanise others around him. He's also been known to point the finger at others around him when he is the one who has made a mistake. All in all, he sets a poor example to others and might be a great bloke in the dressing room, but doesn't lead where it matters the most.
bugenhagen Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 4 minutes ago, trousers said: My sister-in-law is a teacher and she also struggles to converse 'normally' in adult-only environments, instead resorting to a default teacher-pupil dynamic. I don't think she's aware that she does it, and it's not a big deal at the end of the day, but it does help explain why MLG posts in the style that he does (given I believe he's previously stated that he's a teacher?) That is a good point (both the teacher and the not really thinking about it). A long time ago I used to work with my father, and I really disliked the way (and tone) he talked to me when we were in certain work situations. I never confronted him about this at the time, as you just don't talk about shit with your dad when you are of a certian generation. Fast forward a few years, and I cought myself talking in the exact same way to others in similar situations. It really blew my mid, hearing myself like that, because I never intended any of the things I inferred in my fathers tone/way of speaking. The problem was not him, it was me. I put context to the situation that he did not intend. There was supposed to be a moral, or something here, but I think it got lost along the way 😄
Oldandtired Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 17 minutes ago, trousers said: My sister-in-law is a teacher and she also struggles to converse 'normally' in adult-only environments, instead resorting to a default teacher-pupil dynamic. I don't think she's aware that she does it, and it's not a big deal at the end of the day, but it does help explain why MLG posts in the style that he does (given I believe he's previously stated that he's a teacher?) I always thought he was a little blue man living under a bridge.
Weston Super Saint Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 3 minutes ago, Oldandtired said: I always thought he was a little blue man living under a bridge. A skate?
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