Tonda Eckert

[Willo of Whiteley]

I mean punishment has been largely served on all front now, and after it was dished out the only people that stood by it were the EFL and Middlesbrough fans, board and local journos.

Everyone else said how ridiculous and harsh it was and they’ve since put a cork in it.

Everyone’s over it now.

[AlexLaw76]

to what extent of a stadium ban is too long? As in, we will have to get a new manager

I reckon anything more than 6 games myself....

Edited 9 hours ago by AlexLaw76

[EssEffCee]

25 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

to what extent of a stadium ban is too long? As in, we will have to get a new manager

I reckon anything more than 6 games myself....

I think we'll keep him if it's a touchline/stadium ban. Ban from all football activity is a different matter obviously.

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, EssEffCee said:

I think we'll keep him if it's a touchline/stadium ban. Ban from all football activity is a different matter obviously.

keep him to what extent if he is banned from the touchline? 6 months?

[EssEffCee]

6 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

keep him to what extent if he is banned from the touchline? 6 months?

If anything is given of that length it would be all football activity I'm sure. Not sure there's ever been a touchline only ban for that length of time.

I'm really not that arsed about a touchline ban of 6-10 games, not sure it'll make a huge difference. As long as he's back for the skates.

Edited 8 hours ago by EssEffCee

[Pamplemousse]

This is the most severe case of the breach of Rule E3 I can find where a substantial ban was handed down - Peter Beardsley was banned for seven months from all footballing activity

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/sep/19/peter-beardsley-banned-football-seven-months-racist-language

 

 

[beatlesaint]

4 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

This is the most severe case of the breach of Rule E3 I can find where a substantial ban was handed down - Peter Beardsley was banned for seven months from all footballing activity

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/sep/19/peter-beardsley-banned-football-seven-months-racist-language

 

 

Yeah, racism is a different ball park to this though.

[skintsaint]

11 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

This is the most severe case of the breach of Rule E3 I can find where a substantial ban was handed down - Peter Beardsley was banned for seven months from all footballing activity

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/sep/19/peter-beardsley-banned-football-seven-months-racist-language

 

 

Thats for three charges as well. Racism is a way worse crime that what Tonda did.

Orient manager got this for going nuts at a game in April. 3 charges again.

 

who knows what he will get 😅

Edited 7 hours ago by skintsaint

[obelisk]

This saga becomes more ridiculous by the day. A spot of scouting leads this sorry saga? It doesn't even come near to some of the cheating seen in the world cup. Anything more than a suspended ban bu the FA blazers would be completely over the top and should be challenged hard.

[Pamplemousse]

29 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

Yeah, racism is a different ball park to this though.

Exactly, so I think any talk of a lengthy ban would be utterly ridiculous 

[coalman]

The problem is FIFA dished out a 12 month ban for spying at the Olympics. The FA may decide to align with that. We've already been hit with the upper end of punishments by the EFL and there's nothing an official likes more than beating down someone who can't fight back (ie not one of the big boys)

[sadoldgit]

13 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

Exactly, so I think any talk of a lengthy ban would be utterly ridiculous 

As was throwing us out of the competition though. Nothing would surprise me to be honest.

[AlexLaw76]

12 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

As was throwing us out of the competition though. Nothing would surprise me to be honest.

Exactly right. We are relatively low hanging fruit for the football authorities to show “they mean businesss”

[saint michael]

What did pardew get for head butting that player on touchline that time. 
 

 

… sorry just found it he got a 7 match suspension for a serious breach 

Edited 6 hours ago by saint michael

[sfc4prem]

6 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Exactly right. We are relatively low hanging fruit for the football authorities to show “they mean businesss”

To who? Who are the FA accountable to? Most people don't see the FA in positive terms, banning Tonda won't improve that a jot. Who are they showing they 'mean business' to, exactly?

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, sfc4prem said:

To who? Who are the FA accountable to? Most people don't see the FA in positive terms, banning Tonda won't improve that a jot. Who are they showing they 'mean business' to, exactly?

Won’t improve it to Saints fans, but the holier than thou groups, and they are massive in football, justice will be done 

[jrobsbigshorts]

1 hour ago, beatlesaint said:

Yeah, racism is a different ball park to this though.

Sometimes but when Enzo Fernandez posted a video of himself and other Argentina players chanting a racist song about France's players of african heritage they did literally nothing , admittedly I guess it was under FIFA when it took place but he was a high profile player in the premier league being irrefutably racist , undoubtedly bringing the game into disrepute in my eyes

For all the FAs rainbow laces and kick it out they did fuck all and Chelsea issued a statement presumably not actually written by Fernandez saying he definitely wasn't racist and that was that 

Are Chelsea to big to fail but we're small enough to be made an example of

Edited 6 hours ago by jrobsbigshorts

[whelk]

2 minutes ago, jrobsbigshorts said:

Sometimes but when Enzo Fernandez posted a video of himself and other Argentina players chanting a racist song about France's player's of african heritage they did literally nothing , admittedly I guess it was under FIFA when it took place but he was a high profile player in the premier league being irrefutably racist , undoubtedly bringing the game into disrepute in my eyes

For all the FAs rainbow laces and kick it out they did fuck all and Chelsea issued a statement presumably not actually written by Fernandez saying he definitely wasn't racist and that was that 

Are Chelsea to big to fail but we're small enough to be made an example of

And they made him captain

[Saint Marky]

What if Tonda was actually on the spectrum and had some form of autism, where he couldn’t contain his uncontrollable urge to pursue perfection at any cost? Would the FA be frothing at the mouth so much to make an example of him then, we’ve been punished enough, fuck the FA.

[benjii]

1 hour ago, skintsaint said:

Thats for three charges as well. Racism is a way worse crime that what Tonda did.

Orient manager got this for going nuts at a game in April. 3 charges again.

 

who knows what he will get 😅

Klopp did that for 90 minutes every match.

[benjii]

21 minutes ago, Saint Marky said:

What if Tonda was actually on the spectrum and had some form of autism, where he couldn’t contain his uncontrollable urge to pursue perfection at any cost? Would the FA be frothing at the mouth so much to make an example of him then, we’ve been punished enough, fuck the FA.

Shame we don't still have MLT or SRL playing as we could get them off red cards for learning difficulties. 

[LordHester]

1 hour ago, coalman said:

The problem is FIFA dished out a 12 month ban for spying at the Olympics. The FA may decide to align with that. We've already been hit with the upper end of punishments by the EFL and there's nothing an official likes more than beating down someone who can't fight back (ie not one of the big boys)

People keep going back to this FIFA ban for 12 months, but banning an international manager for 12 months is very different from that length of ban for a club manager, who is going to miss way more games in that time. 

[Mr X]

I still don't get how he could have been an assistant manager and still not aware of spying rules I don't believe his apology came from the heart tbh.... What's done is done and looks like he won't be managing us at least for this season... Do they want him so much they will appoint a temporary manager from within for a season 

[Hamwic]

The Times today says 'There has been no similar case involving an individual in English football'. Didn't Bielsa at Leeds do something very similar a few years ago?

[sadoldgit]

2 minutes ago, Hamwic said:

The Times today says 'There has been no similar case involving an individual in English football'. Didn't Bielsa at Leeds do something very similar a few years ago?

He did, a lot, and defended his actions strongly in public. Spying wasn’t against the EFL rules at the time but he was still in breach of the rules of proper conduct.

[SW5 SAINT]

This morning on LBC Radio Ian Payne was expressing incredulity, and saying haven’t they ( Southampton ) been punished enough. Ian is a well respected sports commentator…..

[coalman]

1 hour ago, LordHester said:

People keep going back to this FIFA ban for 12 months, but banning an international manager for 12 months is very different from that length of ban for a club manager, who is going to miss way more games in that time. 

It has already been referenced in the EFL ruling against us. It all depends on how hard the FA want to kick us.

[Lighthouse]

18 minutes ago, SW5 SAINT said:

This morning on LBC Radio Ian Payne was expressing incredulity, and saying haven’t they ( Southampton ) been punished enough. Ian is a well respected sports commentator…..

We chose not to sack the manager who broke the rules, knowing full well that he could face disciplinary proceedings. I was quite surprised he wasn’t sacked, personally but that being the case we have to live with the consequences of our choices.

[beatlesaint]

30 minutes ago, SW5 SAINT said:

This morning on LBC Radio Ian Payne was expressing incredulity, and saying haven’t they ( Southampton ) been punished enough. Ian is a well respected sports commentator…..

Well that’s how you would hope a panel would view it, how much more does the collective have to suffer because of an individual? Slap him with a fine, some training courses and a suspended ban if you must but don’t make the players, fans and employees of SFC suffer anymore than they already have. 

Edited 4 hours ago by beatlesaint

[trousers]

Anyone know how long we could legitimately string out the appeal process by? Maybe that's what the club is relying on if he gets a substantial footballing ban? In other words... 6 month ban.... String the appeal out for the whole of the season.... Get promoted.... Then install another manager for the premier league campaign.... #clutchingatstraws

[beatlesaint]

1 hour ago, Mr X said:

Do they want him so much they will appoint a temporary manager from within for a season 

Whilst we are jumping the gun a little here it’s a very interesting point. If they think Tonda is that good and the best man to lead us would they seek an interim manager for the duration of any possible ban? A Roy Hodgson type appointment that Bristol City made for instance (no I’m not saying bring Hodgson in before anyone jumps on it)?

[beatlesaint]

1 minute ago, trousers said:

Anyone know how long we could legitimately string out the appeal process by? Maybe that's what the club is relying on if he gets a substantial footballing ban? In other words... 6 month ban.... String the appeal out for the whole of the season.... Get promoted.... Then install another manager for the premier league campaign.... #clutchingatstraws

A decent lawyer can string an appeal out for bloody ages, so yeah he could get banned but easily be in the dug out for months whilst it’s being dealt with.

[sandwichsaint]

I would suggest banned for four match days and warned as to future conduct would be proportionate. Anything bigger than that would have a disproportionate affect on the club, the club has already had their punishment and that was huge.

[sadoldgit]

31 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

We chose not to sack the manager who broke the rules, knowing full well that he could face disciplinary proceedings. I was quite surprised he wasn’t sacked, personally but that being the case we have to live with the consequences of our choices.

Perhaps they chose not to sack him because, like a great many people, they didn’t feel that this was a big deal and has been blown out of all proportion?

[Tom & Gerry]

1 hour ago, Mr X said:

I still don't get how he could have been an assistant manager and still not aware of spying rules I don't believe his apology came from the heart tbh.... What's done is done and looks like he won't be managing us at least for this season... Do they want him so much they will appoint a temporary manager from within for a season 

You don't believe him even though its the only logical explanation of why he would risk so much for so little but perhaps you think he's a reckless gambler or a complete idiot. I don't. 

[beatlesaint]

7 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Perhaps they chose not to sack him because, like a great many people, they didn’t feel that this was a big deal and has been blown out of all proportion?

Yes and to quote Simon Jordan of all people, why would you shoot yourself in the foot by sacking a manger you obviously rate very highly?

[John B]

42 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

Yes and to quote Simon Jordan of all people, why would you shoot yourself in the foot by sacking a manger you obviously rate very highly?

Because he lacks integrity

[Give it to Ron]

15 minutes ago, John B said:

Because he lacks integrity

Does he ? Have you not watched recent interviews?

The players don’t think so certainly not Dobbin , Larin or Peretz

[hypochondriac]

Just now, Give it to Ron said:

Does he ? Have you not watched recent interviews?

The players don’t think so certainly not Dobbin , Larin or Peretz

Or Bree (and reportedly Manning who asked to sign a new contract). That at least half the team who don't think he's a twat.

[VectisSaint]

I wonder if the FA take "previous" into account when "sentencing". Tonda was handed a touchline ban and fine by the FA for his part in a melee during Barnsley's match against Stoke in 2021. Three match ban and £2750 fine. Not sure this makes him an habitual criminal, but it could influence their decision.

[badgerx16]

2 hours ago, Mr X said:

.Do they want him so much they will appoint a temporary manager from within for a season 

Would another msnager, even from within, be able, or willing, to work to Tonda's system and training methods for the first team ?

Edited 2 hours ago by badgerx16

[Saint Marky]

3 hours ago, benjii said:

Shame we don't still have MLT or SRL playing as we could get them off red cards for learning difficulties. 

We’re you bullied at school?

[sadoldgit]

24 minutes ago, John B said:

Because he lacks integrity

Putting Eckert’s integrity,or lack of, to one side, if you banned everyone in professional football who lacks integrity there wouldn’t be much football being played each week.

[Give it to Ron]

12 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Or Bree (and reportedly Manning who asked to sign a new contract). That at least half the team who don't think he's a twat.

Or the multi millionaire owner whose view is all that matters at the moment 

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

Perhaps they chose not to sack him because, like a great many people, they didn’t feel that this was a big deal and has been blown out of all proportion?

You can feel whatever you like, if we stood by him under the incredibly naive assumption that he couldn’t possibly face a ban of some sort, then that’s our own fault. If we decided it was a risk we’re willing to take and have a contingency plan then so be it.

 

Personally I don’t think being disqualified from a game you cheated to try and win is in any way out of proportion and nobody would be saying that if Pompey had been spying on us before a playoff semifinal.

[DT]

If it IS to be a ban, would it be a touchline ban? Ie free to manage the team for all but the 90 mins from the dugout?

Would have thought that isn't that bad. Get him an earpiece. And a phone...

[Maggie May]

3 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

We chose not to sack the manager who broke the rules, knowing full well that he could face disciplinary proceedings. I was quite surprised he wasn’t sacked, personally but that being the case we have to live with the consequences of our choices.

I’m not an employment lawyer but could this be because the club could possibly dismiss him without compensation if he’s banned by the FA? 

[DT]

1 minute ago, Maggie May said:

I’m not an employment lawyer but could this be because the club could possibly dismiss him without compensation if he’s banned by the FA? 

Possibly. But I think the statement said we were standing by him? Which suggests we would just see out the ban. I hope so.

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

1 hour ago, VectisSaint said:

I wonder if the FA take "previous" into account when "sentencing". Tonda was handed a touchline ban and fine by the FA for his part in a melee during Barnsley's match against Stoke in 2021. Three match ban and £2750 fine. Not sure this makes him an habitual criminal, but it could influence their decision.

Wouldn't bring that up when plea bargaining!

Presumably, when looking at his conduct, they will consider his conduct towards the interns, so I see SFC quickly covered that avenue by offering Will Salt full time employment. 

 

[Badger]

25 minutes ago, Maggie May said:

I’m not an employment lawyer but could this be because the club could possibly dismiss him without compensation if he’s banned by the FA? 

Think he was only on an 18 month contract so it would mean losing a years salary for this season. He was unlikely to be on a big salary as a novice starting out. 
 

Jones, Lego and Still probably cost us more than sacking Tonda in May might have.