Where to now for Aaron Ramsdale?

[SaintJackoInHurworth]

So, the European transfer window has slammed shut, almost metaphorically trapping Ramsdale's fingers in the process(!):

Saints have now got:

1. Peretz
2. Long
3. Jones

So, Ramsdale is surplus to requirements (even though he is clearly a better keeper than 2 or 3). Presumably there must be some plan for Ramsdale now...?

Which transfer windows are still open? I am guessing the Middle East. Is there any news suggesting he is about to go there? Or where else could he go? Is the American window still open?

[chiknsmack]

Not to go all MLG on you, but there are still European options (Netherlands today, Scotland/Belgium for a couple more days) plus Turkey.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/statistik/transferfenster

[JWade]

Really surprised that nobody came in for him. But for me it seems ridiculous to not use him if he's here, feels like we are cutting our nose off to spite our face. 

Unless there's some kind of financial implications if he appears regularly, then he should be in that squad and probably starting, he's the best keeper at the club. 

[CSA96]

Still plenty of windows open

England | Sep-01 | 11pm
Spain | Sep-01 | 11pm
France | Sep-01 | 7pm
Italy | Sep-01 | 7pm
Germany | Sep-01 | 7pm
Netherlands | Sep-02 | 11pm
Denmark | Sep-02 | 11pm
Norway | Sep-02 | 11pm
Scotland | Sep-03 | 5pm
Belgium | Sep-03 | 11pm
Austria | Sep-03 | 4pm
USA | Sep-03 | 6am
Turkey | Sep-04 | 10pm
Portugal | Sep-04 | 12am
Saudi Arabia | Sep-06 | 10pm
Croatia | Sep-07 | 11pm
Switzerland | Sep-08 | 5pm
Czech Republic | Sep-08 | 11pm
Poland | Sep-09 | 11pm
Brazil | Sep-11 |
Mexico | Sep-11 |
Greece | Sep-15 | 10pm

Edited Wednesday at 11:18 by CSA96

[Saint86]

11 minutes ago, JWade said:

Really surprised that nobody came in for him. But for me it seems ridiculous to not use him if he's here, feels like we are cutting our nose off to spite our face. 

Unless there's some kind of financial implications if he appears regularly, then he should be in that squad and probably starting, he's the best keeper at the club. 

He's probably still the best keeper at the club, so I can only assume there is a financial reason we refuse to play him.

[chuz]

9 minutes ago, JWade said:

Really surprised that nobody came in for him. But for me it seems ridiculous to not use him if he's here, feels like we are cutting our nose off to spite our face. 

Unless there's some kind of financial implications if he appears regularly, then he should be in that squad and probably starting, he's the best keeper at the club. 

Most contracts have significant bonuses for being in the match day squad, playing, win bonuses etc.  Hence why McCarthy was never in the squad in the promotion season until Baz got injured, and was then promoted up to starting keeper.

I'm certain Ramsdale would be in the squad if there wasn't a significant cost associated with it.  Be interesting to see what would happen if Peretz got injured (assuming Ramsdale doesn't go on loan to Turkey)

 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

7 minutes ago, CSA96 said:

Still plenty of windows open

England | Sep-01 | 11pm
Spain | Sep-01 | 11pm
France | Sep-01 | 7pm
Italy | Sep-01 | 7pm
Germany | Sep-01 | 7pm
Netherlands | Sep-02 | 11pm
Denmark | Sep-02 | 11pm
Norway | Sep-02 | 11pm
Scotland | Sep-03 | 5pm
Belgium | Sep-03 | 11pm
Austria | Sep-03 | 4pm
USA | Sep-03 | 6am
Turkey | Sep-04 | 10pm
Portugal | Sep-04 | 12am
Saudi Arabia | Sep-06 | 10pm
Croatia | Sep-07 | 11pm
Switzerland | Sep-08 | 5pm
Czech Republic | Sep-08 | 11pm
Poland | Sep-09 | 11pm
Brazil | Sep-11 |
Mexico | Sep-11 |
Greece | Sep-15 | 10pm

Realistically the options are scant from that list. Turkey and Saudi possibly. Holland at a push. 

[bangkoksaint]

Best keeper we have. If playing him gets us promotion and it cost a few million more in wages then thats money well Spent. Hope we dont regret it

[Saint Pete]

Celtic have just signed keeper Sam Johnstone from Wolves so that's a potential route for him closed off. 

[East Kent Saint]

There must be a reason that the football world is shunning a player so what don’t we know ?

[egg]

21 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

There must be a reason that the football world is shunning a player so what don’t we know ?

Wages I'd assume. I can't think of a PL team where he would start, and who would pay £120k a week for a reserve keeper. 

[Football Special]

22 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

There must be a reason that the football world is shunning a player so what don’t we know ?

 

He's too distracted waving his wand around in the dressing room 

[Lord Duckhunter]

Not playing him & freezing him out isn’t just about saving match squad bonus’ it’s also about forcing him out the door in the Jan window. Once he’s spent 4 months  sat in the stands every match day, any offer in Jan will be better than another 4 more months of that. If he was number 2, involved match days, helping Peretz prepare, on the pitch, in the dressing room, there maybe moves/loans he considers a worse option than that, especially if he’s interested in coaching eventually. I imagine we told him to find another club  otherwise he’ll be frozen out, so we need to stick to that. 

I’ve no doubt he’ll play if Peretz is out long term. But we’re  forcing him out otherwise . 

[VectisSaint]

3 hours ago, JWade said:

Really surprised that nobody came in for him. But for me it seems ridiculous to not use him if he's here, feels like we are cutting our nose off to spite our face. 

Unless there's some kind of financial implications if he appears regularly, then he should be in that squad and probably starting, he's the best keeper at the club. 

Yes, but what do you say to Peretz and Long who were made promises when they were signed? He did at least turn out for the U21s the other day. In hindsight the Club were too quick off the mark to sign Peretz. It's a shame what has happened to Ramsdale, seems like his career has gone down the drain since he decided to sign for us.

[RedArmy]

He needs a new agent if he doesn’t get a move in the next couple of days. 

[Matthew Le God]

2 hours ago, egg said:

Wages I'd assume. I can't think of a PL team where he would start, and who would pay £120k a week for a reserve keeper. 

Those are his PL wages, not those after a 40% relegation reduction clause.

Edited Wednesday at 14:59 by Matthew Le God

[bugenhagen]

29 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Those are his PL wages, not those after a 40% relegation reduction clause.

That would probably still be the ballpark figure he would be looking for in wages in a new club.

[Wade Garrett]

He should 100% be in the reckoning if he doesn't get his move.

Very decent keeper, and Peretz has been a bit shaky so far this season.

[Matthew Le God]

22 minutes ago, bugenhagen said:

That would probably still be the ballpark figure he would be looking for in wages in a new club.

A club looking to loan him wouldn't need to.

[egg]

56 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Those are his PL wages, not those after a 40% relegation reduction clause.

Assuming he has a relegation clause, yes. Regardless, he's an expensive bench warmer. 

I'm in the keep him and use him camp. 

[saintant]

59 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Those are his PL wages, not those after a 40% relegation reduction clause.

Still he won't be needing to save supermarket coupons on £78k a week 🙂 and must have a fair chunk of money invested and making a healthy return.

[bugenhagen]

9 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

A club looking to loan him wouldn't need to.

I never said a loaning club would.

[markr27]

I think this chap may be imprinted on his reputation....

[Willo of Whiteley]

If he is still here after those windows have closed I will be surprised; but on the flip side I won’t.

In terms of form and ability over recent years he’s hardly done anything to justify someone taking on his stupidly high wages, so he’s within his rights to sit on his hands and do nothing.

If he wants to go and play football, then like Sam Edozie needs to do, take the financial hit, it’s not like you need it, and go and play elsewhere.

If he is still here it would be a bit scandalous to not even have him on the bench ahead of George Long.

[SambaMaverick]

Get rid for anything close to a reasonable loan offer. Having two top keepers doesn't work, we all know it. We've made our bed with Peretz, correctly in my opinion. He's our man and he should be backed. Dropping him at any point opens a whole new can of worms.

[St Chalet]

Excellent point made by @stevegrant on TSP that Peretz is the #1 Long #2, but if Ramsdale is still in the building and something happens to Peretz, Ramsdale would be promoted to first choice.

Hopefully he fancies some Saudi or Turkish money.

[Cuddles]

19 minutes ago, St Chalet said:

Excellent point made by @stevegrant on TSP that Peretz is the #1 Long #2, but if Ramsdale is still in the building and something happens to Peretz, Ramsdale would be promoted to first choice.

Hopefully he fancies some Saudi or Turkish money.

Listening to the press conference, he's just had a baby, so we may be stuck.

[The Kraken]

Sounds like Tonda expects him to stay and maybe play for the U21s until at least January.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c9v9elp98gro

[Tommy Mulgrew]

33 minutes ago, Cuddles said:

he's just had a baby

Unusual for a bloke.

[Cuddles]

1 hour ago, Tommy Mulgrew said:

Unusual for a bloke.

It's an unusual situation all around 🙃

[skintsaint]

1 hour ago, Tommy Mulgrew said:

Unusual for a bloke.

[die Mannyschaft]

If he's that good ;

why isn't he playing for Saints?

Why has no one from Europe,  Prem or championship put bid in?

Is he stuck in no man's land because we paid over the odds for him and wages too high?

Club obviously dong think he's better than Peretz otherwise wouldn't have signed a new keeper to dit on bench while we already have a bench keeper (that's not even kn the bench)

This is the strangest keep situation in football.  

[Willo of Whiteley]

3 hours ago, Tommy Mulgrew said:

Unusual for a bloke.

This tickled me a lot more than it should’ve 🤣

[Saint Pete]

4 hours ago, The Kraken said:

Sounds like Tonda expects him to stay and maybe play for the U21s until at least January.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c9v9elp98gro

If he doesn't get a move and then Peretz picks up an injury that keeps him out a while, I can't imagine a scenario where we don't pick Ramsdale. You cannot realistically argue that Long is a better keeper than Ramsdale and it would be damaging to our chances of promotion to pick Long if we have a far better keeper sitting there doing nowt. 

[St Chalet]

Congratulations to the U21's on conceding the fewest goals in the league.

[East Kent Saint]

4th choice says Eckhert !

[AlexLaw76]

A couple of howlers from Peretz and this may get a little awkward.

Not that I think Peretz will regress like that, but you never know

[IFHP]

1 minute ago, East Kent Saint said:

4th choice says Eckhert !

Yep, and if Peretz get injured Ramsdale will be straight in the team.

it could be we have to pay him some sort of appearance money if he plays, and the club either don’t want to can’t afford to pay it.

[Badger]

The fact the club chose not to play Long in the Carabao Cup v West Ham speaks volumes in how far they’d trust him for a first team appearance.

Edited 1 hour ago by Badger

[RedArmy]

Not sure I agree with not letting Ramsdale compete to be the number 1 to be honest. 

Competition for places is healthy, no matter what the position. 
 

And the idea that Peretz was promised the number 1 spot and that’s one of the reasons is frankly irrelevant, if he got offered a bigger move in January or next summer he would be on the first flight out of here. 

Pick your best players. 

 

[Badger]

4 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

Not sure I agree with not letting Ramsdale compete to be the number 1 to be honest. 

Competition for places is healthy, no matter what the position. 
 

And the idea that Peretz was promised the number 1 spot and that’s one of the reasons is frankly irrelevant, if he got offered a bigger move in January or next summer he would be on the first flight out of here. 

Pick your best players. 

 

I agree that Peretz starts the season as first choice. But after the season gets going it’s his job to ensure he performs well enough to stay there. On merit. 
 

Injury or drop on form then we select the best available at the club. Doubt it will be George Long or a 38 year old from Warrington

[Cuddles]

52 minutes ago, Badger said:

The fact the club chose not to play Long in the Carabao Cup v West Ham speaks volumes in far they’d trust him for a first team appearance.

He did alright against Leicester last season I thought.

I'm assuming Rambo has appearance related add-ons or bonuses.

[Saint Pete]

41 minutes ago, IFHP said:

Yep, and if Peretz get injured Ramsdale will be straight in the team.

It could be we have to pay him some sort of appearance money if he plays, and the club either don’t want to can’t afford to pay it.

It could be something like that. It's an odd situation.

What's for certain is Saints will have been more than keen to offload at least some of his wages by moving him on. He must still be one of, if not the, highest earners at the club so it's a disaster really from their point of view if he's still here, particularly after they have signed another quality keeper in Peretz for a fee and a significant wage. 

I can't believe there has been no interest at all in Ramsdale so (total guesswork on my part) I wonder whether there has been some reluctance from Ramsdale himself to explore or take up options to leave on loan this time for reasons unknown (his family situation might play into that)? If that were the case, what's going on now could perhaps be the club gently applying a boot to his backside to encourage him to take up any late offers from Saudi etc by telling him privately and now publicly that if he stays he won't be playing a meaningful role on the pitch for us? As I say, pure guesswork / conjecture on my part!