Barry Sanchez Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 Have said it for over a year, simply mimic the Athletico Madrid/Bilboa top and there we have it, red and white stripes as it should be done, will they do it? No because making a decent kit is actually unprofitable as if it's so good why change it? Crap kits every two years with minor alterations making it look not better or worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 The only problem with stripes is that rubbish teams like Stoke & Sunderland play in them as well. Frankly having not had them for a few seasons I'd hate for us to back to them. They represent the Saints of old, hard-up, scrambling around for survival and selling our best kids for profit. No thanks. I like our red kit, maybe last season's a bit more than this but let's stay as we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 The only problem with stripes is that rubbish teams like Stoke & Sunderland play in them as well. Frankly having not had them for a few seasons I'd hate for us to back to them. They represent the Saints of old, hard-up, scrambling around for survival and selling our best kids for profit. No thanks. I like our red kit, maybe last season's a bit more than this but let's stay as we are. They don't represent this then: FA Cup winners FA Cup finalists Promotion to the Prem Eighth in the prem, fourth the following Christmas Le Tissier's greatest goals ZDS Cup final, JPS final Beattie Pahars Killer Bridge European football Chris Nicholl's wonder kids Shearers debut and so on ...basically the club you have supported all your life. Who'd want to look like Saints when we can look like Swindon and Bristol City, eh? Mental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 I don't want stripes back either, they look naff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 I see Everton are going back to Umbro next season and getting a bespoke kit. Thought Umbro were only doing teamwear kits nowadays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 Would anyone here object to a return to the xerox kit? Not stripes, but red with white, and unique to us in the premier league. Ajax (kit made by Adidas btw) in reverse. With black shorts, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 They don't represent this then: FA Cup winners FA Cup finalists Promotion to the Prem Eighth in the prem, fourth the following Christmas Le Tissier's greatest goals ZDS Cup final, JPS final Beattie Pahars Killer Bridge European football Chris Nicholl's wonder kids Shearers debut and so on ...basically the club you have supported all your life. Who'd want to look like Saints when we can look like Swindon and Bristol City, eh? Mental. Many of his very best were in the dreadful pony kit, possibly my least favourite ever. And our best period in the league was not in stripes (though it was read and white ... With black shorts). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 Can't believe how many people have gone off stripes! Our promotion kit was cracking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 Apologies if someone has already asked the question but why does "We have terminated our contract with Adidas" automatically translate to "We're going to make our own kit"? Couldn't "We're going with a different manufacturer" also be a valid outcome? p.s. I'm not fussed about stripes per se. I quite like red being our more predominant colour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 I agree really. But I think we're guaranteed to get stripes as a gesture to the fans. I don't like all red, but not a big fan of stripes. Just a bit more white in the kit and it'd be fine. Especially with black shorts anyway. I think our away kit is the smartest we've ever had. That in red with black shorts and white socks would have been great. The xerox style kit would be great too, or back to the sash. Thankfully that is a minority view and the vast majority will welcome a return to stripes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 Can't believe how many people have gone off stripes! Our promotion kit was cracking. Haven't gone off them, quite simply never liked them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 I also find it a shame just how many people think that 'own brand' automatically means 'poor quality'. Fact is, a lot of kits are made in very similar factories and yes, if you opt for a lower cost, lower quality kit as your 'own brand', to maximise your margin, then it probably will be poor quality. But equally, there is nothing to stop a club using a factory and a manufacturer who is higher quality - it's all down to the club really. Usually the decision is financially motivated, hence the poorer quality but higher margin... i would like to see us aim a little higher, but whether that happens or not...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 Most issues of good taste are a minority view. That's why we end up with x-factor and mcdonalds. Indeed. Quality > Quantity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 They don't represent this then: FA Cup winners FA Cup finalists Promotion to the Prem Eighth in the prem, fourth the following Christmas Le Tissier's greatest goals ZDS Cup final, JPS final Beattie Pahars Killer Bridge European football Chris Nicholl's wonder kids Shearers debut and so on ...basically the club you have supported all your life. Who'd want to look like Saints when we can look like Swindon and Bristol City, eh? Mental. I associate the top two with yellow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarneySFC Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 When we were out in spain on pre-season we were speaking to the staff, the kit they ahd then was the only kit they'd received and so couldn't give anyway to the fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berkshiresaint Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 Bring back the sash, Red with white sash (Home) black with white sash (away) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 I don't want stripes back either, they look naff. I agree, as sad as it sounds, when I see Stoke and Sunderland in their stripes with black shorts - it just looks a bit duff. Old fashioned, "messy" and naff. I actually like the all red with a splash of white - not that I ever wear the shirts, but just better to watch. I've never been a stripes fan anyway. New phrase for the marketing team; "Be smart, be Saints smart". (That's why I don't work in marketing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeather Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 I'd really love the sash to become our 'permanent' kit. A strong nod to tradition, and nothing like Stoke/Sunderland. Failing that, I'd go for Rank Xerox style stripes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 5 February, 2014 Author Share Posted 5 February, 2014 Seems no one has heard anything concrete then, just that there have been a number of issues. Fwiw I hope we stick with them but I'd still be fairly surprised if we make our own. puma,adidas,Nike are very competitive at the moment as the Bpl is big business and we are a great catch ATM. surprised but delighted to see umbro back again with Everton, massive deal for them I thought they were toast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 Seems no one has heard anything concrete then, just that there have been a number of issues. Fwiw I hope we stick with them but I'd still be fairly surprised if we make our own. puma,adidas,Nike are very competitive at the moment as the Bpl is big business and we are a great catch ATM. surprised but delighted to see umbro back again with Everton, massive deal for them I thought they were toast. Well as Iconix paid a fair bit for Umbro you'd expect them to seek out some sort of flagship PL deals wouldn't you. It may be that quite a few clubs will go back to Umbro in the near future, in the end Nike may well regret discontinuing the brand and selling them off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100%Red&White Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 I'd really love the sash to become our 'permanent' kit. A strong nod to tradition, and nothing like Stoke/Sunderland. Failing that, I'd go for Rank Xerox style stripes. As the kit is changed just about every season now, there's not a lot you can do with 'The Sash' to make it significantly different to the previous one (other than reversing the colours but that's not then 'traditional') and get fans to buy it. Stripes can be altered in width - the Rank Xerox could be argued is actually a form of stripes - but see no reason why the Sash couldn't be dropped in occassionally. Rank Xerox style for me next season, ta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 Most issues of good taste are a minority view. That's why we end up with x-factor and mcdonalds. Ludicrous comparisons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint George Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 Put me down for another **** the stripes. Have never liked them and never will....Love the bright solid red we play in now, it's really representative of the modern Saints and what we 'are'....rather than what we 'were' And make the monotone crest the official club crest while we're at it too.....First time I've ever seen it look decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 Most issues of good taste are a minority view. That's why we end up with x-factor and mcdonalds. So you are comparing our current abortion of a kit to which top end high quality "good taste" product, then? Do tell. Show us how classy you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 i could not care who makes he kit they are roughly about the same in quality nowadays but to some it has to have a big name brand on it,to wear it,i would rather they lowered the price to they charge for young kids and the baby kits are shocking. as for adults its up to them if they want to pay silly prices the clubs charge for replica kit in my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 I see Everton are going back to Umbro next season and getting a bespoke kit. Thought Umbro were only doing teamwear kits nowadays? God, I miss Umbro. I really liked their kits for us, even the pinstripes. I'm still kicking myself that I didn't get the sash when it was available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 Interesting this season. I hate the red kit (i want stripes) & I have not bought it, but I have bought a quarter zip in black & Blue. Kit is poo, other stuff is decent. If I had a choice i would switch to Under Armour. That gear is better quality than lots of other stuff IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 You are basing your experience on what we had before when we had no cash Things are now different , they will probably be better quality than the mass produced trash on the market these days QUOTE=BlakeySFC;1876749]Own brand shirts are incredibly mickey mouse, no PL team and hardly any FL teams (maybe none?) have them, the worst shirt I have EVER worn is the 2006/07 black/red away shirt, it was alright to look at but had absolutely no breathability whatsoever, it was a sweatbox. I'd accept almost any kit manufacturer, uhlsport, macron, jamo, umbro, puma ANYONE rather than making our own god-awful kits again, f*ck that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 Another thing to remember is that with out own brand we can make the kit how we want it and not be governed by a sporting brands design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 What is Gecko Saint up to these days? Fairly sure he designed my favourite ever Away kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 I started watching Saints in the early mid-80s. So the first 3 kits I knew were not really the classic stripes. Not really fussed whether we go back to stripes next season, the plain red has grown on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 (edited) I started watching Saints in the early mid-80s. So the first 3 kits I knew were not really the classic stripes. Not really fussed whether we go back to stripes next season, the plain red has grown on me. I kind of agree to an extent, I like the stripes but only when well done. My favourite kits have been the sash and the Rank Xerox, so stripes aren't a necessity. The main things for me are that the kit represents Saints i.e. in keeping with what has gone before, and that it looks good. So I think both the pinstripes and the current kit have abjectly failed to do that. We ditched the black shorts and went with kits that were just bland, boring, uninspiring and nothing to do with us. They just haven't seemed like Saints kits, and that's why I really hope we move away from them and more in keeping with a traditional kit. The Sash and the Rank Xerox, whilst not stripes, are iconic as kits for SFC, so we don't necessarily need stripes to come out with something that will be much more popular than the last two years poor efforts. Edited 5 February, 2014 by The Kraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 Same here. Not fussed about the stripes, red has grown on me and it gives us so many potential différent designs. Stripes are stripes and whether the stripes are bigger or smaller it still look kind of the same to me. Variarity is the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 I kind of agree to an extent, I like the stripes but only when well done. My favourite kits have been the sash and the Rank Xerox, so stripes aren't a necessity. The main things for me are that the kit represents Saints i.e. in keeping with what has gone before, and that it looks good. So I think both the pinstripes and the current kit have abjectly failed to do that. We ditched the black shorts and went with kits that were just bland, boring, uninspiring and nothing to do with us. They just haven't seemed like Saints kits, and that's why I really hope we move away from them and more in keeping with a traditional kit. The Sash and the Rank Xerox, whilst not stripes, are iconic as kits for SFC, so we don't necessarily need stripes to come out with something that will be much more popular than the last two years poor efforts. Best kits we've had for me (in no particular order) are this seasons home and away, championship home, the sash, and that beautiful brazil kit that we got to wear for 2 seasons but could only buy for one season Last years home was a god awful vomit inducing pinstripe monstrosity. Literally think it is my least favourite kit and it is beyond me how it is as popular as it seems to be, but hey, personal choice So anyway, of my favourite kits I plopped for stripes once, and my absolute favourite kits have been sash, championship home and this years home kit. Kits are associated with how well the team play, hence why stripes have lost their popularity in recent years. 2 relegations, championship mediocrity before that, and the disappointment of failed promotion pushes in championship and league 1. The sash was like watching miss universe elegantly **** all over other teams, and we are playing quality football in this years kit. I imagine its a similar reason for why Zerox is so good, if the team had been ****, that kit would not be so popular... And likewise, the championship promotion stripes is a great kit for many people.... we were never out of the top 2 all season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Kirkup Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 Wouldn't mind this again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 5 February, 2014 Share Posted 5 February, 2014 That's a good choice above Take a look on here, there's some lovely old designs http://www.saintsshirts.mpresence.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 6 February, 2014 Share Posted 6 February, 2014 Anything but own brand we proved that business can't resist the temptation of a quick buck and produced some of the worst low quality crap in history, if the team were actually playing in the same shirts every week that we could by no wonder we were a bit rubbish! Every shirt we've had since going with a brand has been superior to the in house much I really liked the addidas kits particularly the Sash which I would like to see in the design rotation in future years along with stripes and some other variations on the red and white theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 6 February, 2014 Share Posted 6 February, 2014 We've got to be able to do better than the current excuse for Liverpool - can we be red AND WHITE again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 6 February, 2014 Share Posted 6 February, 2014 my new favourite kit, in red , would be hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 6 February, 2014 Share Posted 6 February, 2014 my new favourite kit, in red , would be hilarious. Love it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 6 February, 2014 Share Posted 6 February, 2014 Anything but own brand we proved that business can't resist the temptation of a quick buck and produced some of the worst low quality crap in history, if the team were actually playing in the same shirts every week that we could by no wonder we were a bit rubbish! Every shirt we've had since going with a brand has been superior to the in house much I really liked the addidas kits particularly the Sash which I would like to see in the design rotation in future years along with stripes and some other variations on the red and white theme. The quality of an own brand is down to the club's decision about what to source, not the manufacturer. If the club decided to go with a shot silk shirt hand made on Savile row own brand they could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 6 February, 2014 Share Posted 6 February, 2014 We've got to be able to do better than the current excuse for Liverpool - can we be red AND WHITE again? But it's nothing like Liverpool's. Their's is blood red and ALL red (red shirts, red shorts, red socks). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 6 February, 2014 Share Posted 6 February, 2014 my new favourite kit, in red , would be hilarious. Time Tunnel! Lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 6 February, 2014 Share Posted 6 February, 2014 my new favourite kit, in red , would be hilarious. In red? well then we'd have to play Matt Targett each week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 6 February, 2014 Share Posted 6 February, 2014 Wouldn't mind this again Don't Hummel open the copyright for that pattern of stripes? Thought I read that on one of the previous kit threads.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Summers Posted 6 February, 2014 Share Posted 6 February, 2014 Don't Hummel open the copyright for that pattern of stripes? Thought I read that on one of the previous kit threads.... Shame that's an Admiral kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 6 February, 2014 Share Posted 6 February, 2014 The quality of an own brand is down to the club's decision about what to source, not the manufacturer. If the club decided to go with a shot silk shirt hand made on Savile row own brand they could. I don't buy the replica shirts, so I wondered what the manufactured (rather than design) quality was of the own brand shirts compared to the Umbro and now Adidas shirts? I think the last shirt I ever had was the 88-89 Hummel kit and they were great. At that time stitched in badges not ironed on versions were the order of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 6 February, 2014 Share Posted 6 February, 2014 oops post in wrong thread, sorry bout that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 6 February, 2014 Share Posted 6 February, 2014 Shame that's an Admiral kit Tragic. I'm sure the point of the post is totally lost now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 6 February, 2014 Share Posted 6 February, 2014 What is Gecko Saint up to these days? Fairly sure he designed my favourite ever Away kit. I assumed he gave up designing stuff after the "Saints Go Wilde" t-shirt debacle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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