toe_punt Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 I'm trying to understand the differing attitudes of people here towards Poch and Lambert. Lambert leaves with two years left on his contract, at a time when we needed stability, for a relatively paltry sum of money to join his - as Saggy chops would call it - "spiritual home". Never was there a time that he didn't big Saints up, but as soon as Liverpool come knocking he's off like a rat up a drain pipe. Pochettino said from the moment Cortese left, that he would see out the year then decide on his future. He left with one year left on his contract which is still not the most ethical thing to do, but at least thanks to Cortese's foresight in writing the contract Poch had to pay us back a couple of million. Seems to me that Lambert made the more damaging and surprising exit, yet people here fall over themselves to praise him. Both did a lot for SFC, but in my mind Lambert was the bigger traitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 Baffling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 Think captain of the ship as against a single member of the crew and you might begin to get some idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 I'm trying to understand the differing attitudes of people here towards Poch and Lambert. Lambert leaves with two years left on his contract, at a time when we needed stability, for a relatively paltry sum of money to join his - as Saggy chops would call it - "spiritual home". Never was there a time that he didn't big Saints up, but as soon as Liverpool come knocking he's off like a rat up a drain pipe. Pochettino said from the moment Cortese left, that he would see out the year then decide on his future. He left with one year left on his contract which is still not the most ethical thing to do, but at least thanks to Cortese's foresight in writing the contract Poch had to pay us back a couple of million. Seems to me that Lambert made the more damaging and surprising exit, yet people here fall over themselves to praise him. Both did a lot for SFC, but in my mind Lambert was the bigger traitor. How many years was Lambert here compared to Poch? How many times did Lambert say he is not worried about contract and will review he has a year than ****es off when its been mentioned quite a few times on threads leaked from the club they expected him to sign a new one offered? Does Poch have a tattoo of Levy on his arm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 Both did a lot for SFC, but in my mind Lambert was the bigger traitor. There are no traitors here, just 2 blokes who decided that they wanted to move on and that other clubs could offer them more. It's football.................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 I'm gutted that both have left TBH. But that's football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 No comparison in my book. Lambert: 5 years outstanding service - fulfilled all expectations and more Did not canvas or orchestrate a move (to our knowledge of course) Always appeared completely committed to the cause Left for his hometown club, quite understandable (his "spiritual home" as you call it) Poch NC took him off the dole in Spain for him to build a reputation, based on a squad assembled by others Even in December when the spurs job came available, you sensed his 'head was turned'. Was always "shifty" when any question of future mentioned (even in a December interview) Was angling for his exit Left at the first opportunity available, for a club where he had no connection, and a fairly unstable track record of keeping managers. Left for £££ , pure and simple Good luck to RL for his remaining years playing (except when he plays v Saints), and providing he does not become a 'tap' for other players going there. MP , hope he's out on his arse by Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 Rickie didn't pay 2M to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 I'd let Rickie **** my girlfriend , as for Poch, he can have my wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 Lambert dragged this club up from league 1 pochettino made a name off our academy and players we already had then ****ed off as soon as he could ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 I'd let Rickie **** my girlfriend , as for Poch, he can have my wife. harsh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Saint Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 I'm trying to understand the differing attitudes of people here towards Poch and Lambert. Lambert leaves with two years left on his contract, at a time when we needed stability, for a relatively paltry sum of money to join his - as Saggy chops would call it - "spiritual home". Never was there a time that he didn't big Saints up, but as soon as Liverpool come knocking he's off like a rat up a drain pipe. Pochettino said from the moment Cortese left, that he would see out the year then decide on his future. He left with one year left on his contract which is still not the most ethical thing to do, but at least thanks to Cortese's foresight in writing the contract Poch had to pay us back a couple of million. Seems to me that Lambert made the more damaging and surprising exit, yet people here fall over themselves to praise him. Both did a lot for SFC, but in my mind Lambert was the bigger traitor. It is impossible to see just how you could come to such a conclusion. The rather big difference here is that the club decided (completely wrongly in my opinion) that we would benefit from Lambert leaving and instigated the move. In contrast we moved heaven and earth to keep Pochettino here but he just didn't want to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 It is impossible to see just how you could come to such a conclusion. The rather big difference here is that the club decided (completely wrongly in my opinion) that we would benefit from Lambert leaving and instigated the move. In contrast we moved heaven and earth to keep Pochettino here but he just didn't want to know. Alternatively you could say that the club didn't particularly want either of them and let them wander off after accepting money to let them do so. We really don't know what went on, no point in pretending that we do. All in all we're 6 million £ + richer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 No problem with Lambert gave great service to the Club and has left for arguably will be a last big payday before he retires, and if we were really truthful was probably past his prime now, think he will start to struggle to complete a full game next season. Poch well nothing I did not expect from him, as you would expect from non Europeans, no real loyalty and off to what appears to be a better offer at first moment. Anyway hope he enjoys his time off in March when Levy's axe fall in February if things are not going right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 as you would expect from non Europeans Nice one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 Relatively paltry sum was 4 times what we paid for him, he's now 32 and provided us with the goals and play required to guide us to two promotions, and seemed to get better with each new level he plays at. I don't begrudge Lambert his move at all, I wish him all the best and thank him for what he did for us. My initial gripe when the transfer was announced was that it could have been delayed until after the WC but to no avail. As for Pochettino? Meh. I look forward to the new chapter, win or lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 Anyone who can't see the difference is either an idiot or on a wind up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 Anyone who can't see the difference is either an idiot or on a wind up. Oh I dunno accusing either of being immoral or treacherous is a bit rich. Lambart will be remembered more fondly, as you say, for pretty obv reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 I'm trying to understand the differing attitudes of people here towards Poch and Lambert. Lambert leaves with two years left on his contract, at a time when we needed stability, for a relatively paltry sum of money to join his - as Saggy chops would call it - "spiritual home". Never was there a time that he didn't big Saints up, but as soon as Liverpool come knocking he's off like a rat up a drain pipe. Pochettino said from the moment Cortese left, that he would see out the year then decide on his future. He left with one year left on his contract which is still not the most ethical thing to do, but at least thanks to Cortese's foresight in writing the contract Poch had to pay us back a couple of million. Seems to me that Lambert made the more damaging and surprising exit, yet people here fall over themselves to praise him. Both did a lot for SFC, but in my mind Lambert was the bigger traitor. Nice try. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 The Lambert love in here is ridiculous. Yes the guy achieved loads while here but to me Lallana has achieved as much if not more and gets loads of stick and he hasn t even left. Lambert has and a year ago I remember him saying he wanted to finish his career here. Yes Liverpool is his spiritual home, and Lallana 's is Everton. Don t think people will be saying the same thing of Lallana if he leaves one day for Everton. As for Poch, wanted to go and has gone, I hope his move backfires as the grass is not always greener elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 Oh I dunno accusing either of being immoral or treacherous is a bit rich. Lambart will be remembered more fondly, as you say, for pretty obv reasons. Is you talkin all gansta coz youz down wiv the kids Bearsy or is you really Ali G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 At 26, Lambert had become a good player but he was still L1. It was Southampton who made him the player he is today but in football loyalty is mainly limited to the fans so it was no surprise that he would have opted to go if there was more money on offer BUT the club could have refused the bid, told him to wait to speak to the new manager and if he was wanted here, they could have required him to see out his contract. So its not entirely his fault that he left, it looks like he was almost pushed out of the door. Pochettino is a different case. With only one year of his contact left trying to keep him against his will was quite impractical and whereas the club has plenty of players, it only has one manager. That he wanted to go after Southampton had resurrected his career is disloyal as is the rumour that he'd like to sign a player or players from here for his new club. Contempt might be too strong a word, but mainly because in hindsight I think he was overrated and I'm glad to see the back of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 Totally disagree about Lallana he has only kicked on thus year. He now has more strength and pace not shown in previous years where quite often no end product. Something noone can say about Rickie Sent from my GT-I9195 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 Poch told the players at the end of the season that he was staying. He has played the club for fools for quite some time. Difference between Poch and Lambert, is that Poch is a bullsh*tting c*nt and Lambert isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 Poch told the players at the end of the season that he was staying. He has played the club for fools for quite some time. Difference between Poch and Lambert, is that Poch is a bullsh*tting c*nt and Lambert isn't. Do you know this for fact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 Incomprable. Lambert deserves this. Poch is a **** as Wade said. The one that gets me is how anyone can say Poch is any different from Adkins. Poch only did to us what Adkins did to S****horpe FOR us, walked out as soon as a bigger job came along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 I'm trying to understand the differing attitudes of people here towards Poch and Lambert. Lambert leaves with two years left on his contract, at a time when we needed stability, for a relatively paltry sum of money to join his - as Saggy chops would call it - "spiritual home". Never was there a time that he didn't big Saints up, but as soon as Liverpool come knocking he's off like a rat up a drain pipe. Pochettino said from the moment Cortese left, that he would see out the year then decide on his future. He left with one year left on his contract which is still not the most ethical thing to do, but at least thanks to Cortese's foresight in writing the contract Poch had to pay us back a couple of million. Seems to me that Lambert made the more damaging and surprising exit, yet people here fall over themselves to praise him. Both did a lot for SFC, but in my mind Lambert was the bigger traitor. More difficult to understand would be Lambert v Hoddle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 (edited) Don't give a sh!te about either of them. Talk of ethics is ******, people are perfectly entitled to work for whoever they want, they have done nothing wrong. I am also perfectly entitled to laugh like a drain when Lambert fails to start a game and turns into a fat lump on the Liverpool bench and when Pochetinno gets sacked in December. Edited 23 June, 2014 by aintforever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 Provided there is no fire sale, and I don't believe there will be one, then Potty Chino will have been exposed as leaving - not because of player sales - but because of self interest. Lambert left to finish his career at home after years of loyalty. I can forgive Lambert - but Potty Chino appears to have been more mercenary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 Provided there is no fire sale, and I don't believe there will be one, then Potty Chino will have been exposed as leaving - not because of player sales - but because of self interest. Lambert left to finish his career at home after years of loyalty. I can forgive Lambert - but Potty Chino appears to have been more mercenary. why is leaving for what he believes a better job, means he is 'exposed'. its quite clear that spurs are a bigger club, with a better squad and a better chance of champions league football from us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 The Lambert love in here is ridiculous. Yes the guy achieved loads while here but to me Lallana has achieved as much if not more and gets loads of stick and he hasn t even left. Lambert has and a year ago I remember him saying he wanted to finish his career here. Yes Liverpool is his spiritual home, and Lallana 's is Everton. Don t think people will be saying the same thing of Lallana if he leaves one day for Everton. As for Poch, wanted to go and has gone, I hope his move backfires as the grass is not always greener elsewhere. Remind me again when Adam lived in Liverpool and attended Everton's academy? If Adam wants to go home like Lambert he should give Eddie Howe a call...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 Remind me again when Adam lived in Liverpool and attended Everton's academy? If Adam wants to go home like Lambert he should give Eddie Howe a call...... Everton is clearly Lallana's spiritual home. Born in Hertfordshire and grew up in Dorset and spent his entire professional career at clubs on the South coast, including eight years at Southampton. But clearly he is Everton through and through. He's probably up there with Graham Sharp, Howard Kendall, Bill Kenwright, Derek Hatton and Mike Parry off of Talksport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 Something missing from the conversation is that until Osvaldo stuck one on Fonte, Rickie was halfway up the M3 to West Ham, quite possibly a move that he didn't really want to make. So I know if I knew that I was already in the surplus to requirements file and an opportunity like that offered to Rickie came up, the decision would not be the hardest to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Charteris Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 You are Mr Average doing a good job for your employer; someone offers you a promotion or more money doing the same job in a new location. You have responsibilities to a young family and no certainty of employment into your middle age, what should you do? MP and LA are not Mr Average but why should different rules apply to them? I know that when I have been offered a better deal elsewhere I have taken it because you never know when you will fall out of favour and have to accept something rather worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 23 June, 2014 Share Posted 23 June, 2014 Are you sure that MP was going to be offered more money at Spurs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torrent Of Abuse Posted 24 June, 2014 Share Posted 24 June, 2014 You are Mr Average doing a good job for your employer; someone offers you a promotion or more money doing the same job in a new location. You have responsibilities to a young family and no certainty of employment into your middle age, what should you do? MP and LA are not Mr Average but why should different rules apply to them? I know that when I have been offered a better deal elsewhere I have taken it because you never know when you will fall out of favour and have to accept something rather worse. You should probably hand in your notice and forego your loyalty bonus. Or you can be a **** and hang around spreading rumours about wanting to go but not actually handing in your notice because (although you're in a job where you're paid money beyond most people's wildest imaginings) you want to leave your job and get the loyalty bonus too - possibly so your young family can get a second outdoor football court built or something. Failing that you can just be a man and hand in your notice. You know, like Mr. Average has to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 24 June, 2014 Share Posted 24 June, 2014 It's pretty simple really. Without Rickie Lambert, Southampton are a League One side. Without Pochettino, we're a Premier League team probably finishing five or so places lower down the table than we did. Lambert left for one of the best teams in the country, whom he has supported since childhood, knowing that his career is nearly over and he would probably never have a chance; Pochettino left for Spurs, a job everybody knows cannot be held for more than half a season, who finished two places above us, because they are paying him more. Managers keep going well into their sixties - he could have applied any time in the next 15 years and probably got the job, especially with Levy there. Rickie Lambert is on the SWF banner and rightly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westofshannonsaint Posted 24 June, 2014 Share Posted 24 June, 2014 Something missing from the conversation is that until Osvaldo stuck one on Fonte, Rickie was halfway up the M3 to West Ham, quite possibly a move that he didn't really want to make. So I know if I knew that I was already in the surplus to requirements file and an opportunity like that offered to Rickie came up, the decision would not be the hardest to make. & around the same time Cortese was asked to leave the building... After his service, no one can begrudge RL his move to his "spiritual home" (show me Harry's tattoo). I'm much happier that he has gone to liverpool rather than a team like west ham. He has probably extended his career by a couple of years because he wont be expected to play 70+ minutes every week. I hope he comes off the bench to score a few Champions League goals for them. Perhaps I'm wrapped up in the Rickie, Roy of the Rovers Story. His goal against Scotland was the first England goal I have ever cheered - it was a strange conflict of interests. But, I think we have not seen the last of SRL @ SMS. He could go on to be a great coach/manager and we might be part of that story. Pochettin-who?... Adkins and Pardew have played more important parts in our history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieDog Posted 24 June, 2014 Share Posted 24 June, 2014 Do you think Lambert would have played the majority of games next season, or, would he have been on your list of players to replace/upgrade? Much as I appreciate everything he did for us and will miss watching him in some games next season, I was expecting us to upgrade that position in the Summer anyway. He was bought to do a job (basically get us to the Premiership) and he surpassed those expectations for 2 seasons. He leaves as a legend in my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 24 June, 2014 Share Posted 24 June, 2014 Do you think Lambert would have played the majority of games next season, or, would he have been on your list of players to replace/upgrade? Much as I appreciate everything he did for us and will miss watching him in some games next season, I was expecting us to upgrade that position in the Summer anyway. He was bought to do a job (basically get us to the Premiership) and he surpassed those expectations for 2 seasons. He leaves as a legend in my eyes. Top post, wish I had written that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 24 June, 2014 Share Posted 24 June, 2014 They both got offers that they felt they couldn't refuse and left. Happens every day in workplaces up and down the country. Football is no different an getting all wound up over it isn't going to make a scrap of difference. I'd like to thank Poch and especially Ricky for their fantastic service whilst in employment at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasiak-9- Posted 24 June, 2014 Share Posted 24 June, 2014 They both got offers that they felt they couldn't refuse and left. Happens every day in workplaces up and down the country. Football is no different an getting all wound up over it isn't going to make a scrap of difference. I'd like to thank Poch and especially Ricky for their fantastic service whilst in employment at the club. Absolutely. Shake hands. Thanks for your time here. Wishing you the best of luck in your career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 24 June, 2014 Share Posted 24 June, 2014 I'm wondering if part of Pochettino's strategy (in going to Spuds) was that he would recruit several Saints to follow him? It's an unusual sort of manager who doesn't try to get some of his former " star players "... although maybe he might be interested in....Osvaldo ?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintadjg Posted 24 June, 2014 Share Posted 24 June, 2014 For me my only problem with Rickies move was the timing. It should've happened after the WC. I'll never forgive the timing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 24 June, 2014 Share Posted 24 June, 2014 For me my only problem with Rickies move was the timing. It should've happened after the WC. I'll never forgive the timing Can't possibly see what difference it makes really. Don't think ther transfer has been officialised by the FA yet, the rest is just paperwork. We sold him whilst he was still much in the public eye as a WC hotshot, now England have been eliminated in a sorry manner and he's just another ageing player. Should have got shot of the other 2 as well and be spending the swans already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 24 June, 2014 Share Posted 24 June, 2014 For me my only problem with Rickies move was the timing. It should've happened after the WC. I'll never forgive the timing Well as it looks like Rickies entire world cup contribution is going to be 3 minutes against Uruguay (he's not even starting against Costa Rica when Roy said he'd give the rest of the squad a run out) I don't really think it makes much difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 24 June, 2014 Share Posted 24 June, 2014 I would loved to have been a fly on the wall during the Liverpool/Saints Lambert transfer negotiations. Who was/were doing the negotiations for Saints? It might not have been only Les Reed as I don't believe the Board had agreed on everyone's roles at the time. (it was only after the anger from supporters that Les stepped up and announced that there would be no more transfers before a manager was appointed.) It might have been the donut who claimed Saints had financial difficulties, and grabbed at the coppers, because the transfer fee was laughable. As for Poch's move to Spurs, that imo was stitched up weeks before it was announced. So as for ethics, was it a case of incompetence by Saints in Rickie's case, and cynicism by MoPo. Heyho, who cares now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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