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Probably the use of the word 'yid'. Some do deem the word offensive.

 

The word actually is offensive, even bigoted. However, I don't think it fits the definition of racist--at least it doesn't in the United States. Where, I should point out, racism is legal.

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The word actually is offensive, even bigoted. However, I don't think it fits the definition of racist--at least it doesn't in the United States. Where, I should point out, racism is legal.

It's legal in Britain too.

 

Unless you're white.

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I just read that... and whilst i did smirk alot..... i thought "how the f**k did we spend that kind of money on him and get away with it....

 

anyway for me.... its as clear as daylight that morgan,big vic and even cork as defensive type midfielders were the real reason for Lovren looking a good player... Big Vic is like a "human bus"

 

 

 

Totally agree, the success of a player doesn't always depend on his own skill / technique, but that of the players around him, who .. sometimes ..make him look better than he is in reality.

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Our start has given us a platform for a Top 6 finish, 5th or 6 - which I believe we will manage to achieve. I didn't think that at the start of the season, but there's something different with us this year. I can sense something happening.

 

It's not an exaggeration, just watch them. Listen to their fans. They are a rabble, horrible to watch, no cohesive play, no pattern, nothing. They'll get the odd result here and there, but Top 10 at best for them I reckon. They lack proven quality anywhere apart from GK.

 

Clarkey - they did look better than us at WHL even if Sadio should have levelled things up. They are not a rabble, and MP is not a bad Manager. Spurs are an impossibly overhyped team with crushing expectations and MP let us down with a drawn out, guarded departure. Despite all that I expect several sides to pass us in the next 28 games and Spurs could we one of them. I bloody hope not though.

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I just read that... and whilst i did smirk alot..... i thought "how the f**k did we spend that kind of money on him and get away with it....

 

anyway for me.... its as clear as daylight that morgan,big vic and even cork as defensive type midfielders were the real reason for Lovren looking a good player... Big Vic is like a "human bus"

 

I was just thinking the same thing. But I didn't realise how poor he was considered in France, but it says a lot for Poch as he was a brilliant signing for us (imo), and the profit we made on him has certainly helped us to improve our squad.

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The word actually is offensive, even bigoted. However, I don't think it fits the definition of racist--at least it doesn't in the United States. Where, I should point out, racism is legal.

 

I struggle with this stuff. Yid. Yiddish. Paki. Pakistani. If the shortened versions of these words are "offensive why isn't it offensive to call a British person a Brit?

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:facepalm: This thread is going down a bad path.

 

But why? I honestly want to know why some words are deemed "racist" and others aren't. Am I supposed to take offence if someone calls me a Pommie or a Limey?

 

If I say that someone is a Pakistani that is fine. Shorten it to Paki and I am a bad person???

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But why? I honestly want to know why some words are deemed "racist" and others aren't. Am I supposed to take offence if someone calls me a Pommie or a Limey?

 

If I say that someone is a Pakistani that is fine. Shorten it to Paki and I am a bad person???

 

The same way any word becomes anything. It enters into the common language being used a certain way and comes to be understood to mean that.

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But why? I honestly want to know why some words are deemed "racist" and others aren't. Am I supposed to take offence if someone calls me a Pommie or a Limey?

 

If I say that someone is a Pakistani that is fine. Shorten it to Paki and I am a bad person???

 

Ok, fair enough, but could you do it on another thread so that this one doesn't get locked?

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The same way any word becomes anything. It enters into the common language being used a certain way and comes to be understood to mean that.

I do agree with that and the need to avoid offending people. That said simply replacing words with a new one because its perceived as being abusive is pointless because the new word simply means the same after a while . Spastic and retarded were simple medical terms to describe symptoms. Queer became offensive so was replaced with gay and now queer is in again and ghey is offensive. How is disabled less offensive than handicapped?

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The same way any word becomes anything. It enters into the common language being used a certain way and comes to be understood to mean that.

 

Can you see my point though? By calling someone a name that is a shortened version of the language that is used by many of their nationals, that is racist. "Used in a certain way." So I have a couple of friends who are "Gay". Is it still okay to call them that nowadays? My point is who decides? Some in the black culture call each other the N word and that is fine? Surely it should be intent rather than the actual word that determines what is racist or not? They are just words at the end of the day. The F word used to be taboo on TV and now is common place. Even the C word is used after 9pm now. I went to a mixed wedding earlier this year. The father of the groom, who is Asian, stood up and made a series of jokes about all of the corner shops being closed in the area because everyone was at the wedding. No doubt if I had said that I would have been branded a racist. We really need to lighten up and deal with proper racism.

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They bought the player, but they can't buy the team spirit, the cohesion, or the belief of the team that helped him become such a good player.

 

Chambers is the only player who looks anywhere near as good as last season so far, and I think that our team spirit and cohesion plays a huge part in that.

 

A good team is way more than the sum of its parts. Teams buying our 'parts' are finding that out. They can (and in Shaw's case, I'm sure will) still be excellent players, but unless you've got a free role up front, most players need to work with their teammates to get the best out of each other and themselves. We've clearly got a fantastic culture and belief in our club that helps that... others have tried to buy it from us, without realising what the real source of our success is.

 

I disagree Minty. I think that Chambers has been poor this season. His poor positional play has lead to a number of goals against and whilst it is not down to him alone, Arsenal have looked weak at the back. I was going to say he offers nothing going forward but appreciate he has scored his first goal and provided a cross that led to Arsenals equaliser in Europe the other week - but apart from that he was very poor and was at fault for the goal they conceded. He may well flourish but at the moment I think too much is expected of him.

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Clarkey - they did look better than us at WHL even if Sadio should have levelled things up. They are not a rabble, and MP is not a bad Manager. Spurs are an impossibly overhyped team with crushing expectations and MP let us down with a drawn out, guarded departure. Despite all that I expect several sides to pass us in the next 28 games and Spurs could we one of them. I bloody hope not though.

 

It depends on how one describes a rabble. Certainly Spurs are a team of individual star players who cannot gel together so far, despite the majority of them having been together long enough since they were bought in for massively inflated prices with the Bale money. Koeman inherited a team shorn of its best players and had to integrate them and their replacements into a cohesive unit, which he has done very effectively in less time than Pochettino had. Maybe it can be argued that Pochettino is also over-hyped beyond his capabilities. So Spurs beat us a WHL and Liverpool beat us at Anfield. For those wins to have any real meaning, they have to beat us down here. Anybody considering that the top 7 was the exclusive preserve of Chelsea, Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs and Everton, will not have seen so many of them having such shaky starts to a season ever before. I can see us finishing above those last three and maybe United too.

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I disagree Minty. I think that Chambers has been poor this season. His poor positional play has lead to a number of goals against and whilst it is not down to him alone, Arsenal have looked weak at the back. I was going to say he offers nothing going forward but appreciate he has scored his first goal and provided a cross that led to Arsenals equaliser in Europe the other week - but apart from that he was very poor and was at fault for the goal they conceded. He may well flourish but at the moment I think too much is expected of him.

 

Agreed, plus he has picked up a flurry of bookings in each of his initial batch of games. Which is either unlucky (repeatedly), a sign of a poorer defender, or having to do some last ditch desperate stuff over and over. Hmmm

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Agreed, plus he has picked up a flurry of bookings in each of his initial batch of games. Which is either unlucky (repeatedly), a sign of a poorer defender, or having to do some last ditch desperate stuff over and over. Hmmm

 

He probably has done the best of those that have left but then I think Arsenal have almost as many players injured as fit if Wenger had a full squad to pick from I wonder how much game time Chambers would have seen TBH.

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But why? I honestly want to know why some words are deemed "racist" and others aren't. Am I supposed to take offence if someone calls me a Pommie or a Limey?

 

If I say that someone is a Pakistani that is fine. Shorten it to Paki and I am a bad person???

 

If you called an Indian or Sri Lankan a Pakistani you probably wouldn't be fine, or at the very least, would be corrected.

 

I think half the problem with the term "Paki" is that it's applied to far too many people. The other half of the problem is the context in which it's used.

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If you called an Indian or Sri Lankan a Pakistani you probably wouldn't be fine, or at the very least, would be corrected.

 

I think half the problem with the term "Paki" is that it's applied to far too many people. The other half of the problem is the context in which it's used.

 

Or if people in the street start shouting it at an English woman whose dad happens to be from Iraq.

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lambert on bench (according to reports) with Borini starting up front

 

WTF!!!

 

Real Madrid vs Liverpool LIVE: Steven Gerrard, Raheem Sterling, Mario Balotelli, Dejan Lovren and Glen Johnson set to be rested by Brendan Rodgers

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2820574/Real-Madrid-vs-Liverpool-LIVE-Follow-Champions-League-action.html#comments

 

Shame if true about Lovren. But if it is true, Brenda is a spineless fool, and I suspect the Scousers won't forgive him for this.

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Real Madrid vs Liverpool LIVE: Steven Gerrard, Raheem Sterling, Mario Balotelli, Dejan Lovren and Glen Johnson set to be rested by Brendan Rodgers

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2820574/Real-Madrid-vs-Liverpool-LIVE-Follow-Champions-League-action.html#comments

 

Shame if true about Lovren. But if it is true, Brenda is a spineless fool, and I suspect the Scousers won't forgive him for this.

 

tbf Gerrard, Balotelli, Lovren and Johnson deserve to be dropped.

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I struggle with this stuff. Yid. Yiddish. Paki. Pakistani. If the shortened versions of these words are "offensive why isn't it offensive to call a British person a Brit?

 

It would be if there was a history of British people being discriminated against and that term being used as a derogatory term. Is there? I do not know for certain. I know that Brit is not used that way in the United States.

 

A lot depends on context, but non-Jewish Tottenham fans can't turn a derogatory term for Jews into something ok--just like Washington Redskin fans are fighting a losing battle defending that team nickname.

 

But it is not all political correctness run wild. For example, no one is attacking British coaches for referring to their players as "boys" even though in the United States a white person who refers to an African American male teenager or adult as "boy" would definitely be being racist.

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I disagree Minty. I think that Chambers has been poor this season. His poor positional play has lead to a number of goals against and whilst it is not down to him alone, Arsenal have looked weak at the back. I was going to say he offers nothing going forward but appreciate he has scored his first goal and provided a cross that led to Arsenals equaliser in Europe the other week - but apart from that he was very poor and was at fault for the goal they conceded. He may well flourish but at the moment I think too much is expected of him.

 

But he is getting to play at a top level team and in the Champions League and undoubtedly learning a lot. He certainly has, because of injuries, played more at Arsenal than he would have here. Chambers is the one outward transfer who undoubtedly does not regret his move.

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Rodgers has bottled it with that line up. Accepted they didn't have a chance of winning so he's rested their 'best players' for the Chelsea game they'll lose anyway.

 

Crazy. Real could get double figures tonight. And even if, by a miracle of God, they beat Real tonight, he's basically told the world his unfavoured players are better than his first choices.

 

Lallana vs Real. That's what he signed up for! (No Dejan though. Shame.)

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Rodgers has bottled it with that line up. Accepted they didn't have a chance of winning so he's rested their 'best players' for the Chelsea game they'll lose anyway.

 

Crazy. Real could get double figures tonight. And even if, by a miracle of God, they beat Real tonight, he's basically told the world his unfavoured players are better than his first choices.

 

Lallana vs Real. That's what he signed up for! (No Dejan though. Shame.)

 

Disgusting, very much the attitude that it doesn't matter how you do in the CL as long as you get the financial boost of being there.

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Bottling a game, even if it's highly unwinnable and against Real Madrid, doesn't show much ambition does it? I'd say it was pretty disgraceful really, and totally disrespectful to the fans. Rodgers is going to look very stupid if they don't get a result against Chelsea.

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