Wade Garrett Posted 12 December, 2014 Share Posted 12 December, 2014 The thing people need to remember is like a lot of our signings we haven't signed the finished article, we've signed a player with potential. He's still inexperienced at top flight and although no guarantees I'm sure he'll improve, his performance at arsenal and against Barcelona in the champions league show he's got tons of ability. With experience and coaching he'll get the decision making side of his game right. Quite right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie66 Posted 12 December, 2014 Share Posted 12 December, 2014 I've not been convinced by Forster since his arrival, even before that for England. My celtic supporting friend said he's good but he likes to stay on his line and he's right. For a top class keeper, staying on your line is not good enough; you have to be a sweeper too these days. The only crosses he's come for are easy claims, no-one around him. When it's crowded he stays rooted to his line. He's 6ft 7in for christ sake, he should be going through people, we all know how keepers are protected! I say this not based on last night, or even the Villa mistake, but based on all the games he's played this season. Dodgy at spurs too remember? Fair play, he pulled off some great saves at Arsenal but all keepers are capable of this; even Kelvin is a good shot stopper, but it's the other stuff, claiming crosses, commanding your area, kicking and distribution, and sweeping up that make a great keeper. Sorry, but I feel he needs to improve in those other areas. Compare him to Shilton, Niemi and you can really appreciate that he is a long way behind those guys and the gulf between Shilton and Niemi was big too!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 13 December, 2014 Share Posted 13 December, 2014 Just watched the goal again when it was repeated on soccer AM, if Im honest I might be being harsh on him for the second aswell. The cross was excellent and was way out of the 6 yard box for ages. If you watch it and honestly want your keeper that far out of goal then fair enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 13 December, 2014 Share Posted 13 December, 2014 Just watched the goal again when it was repeated on soccer AM, if Im honest I might be being harsh on him for the second aswell. The cross was excellent and was way out of the 6 yard box for ages. If you watch it and honestly want your keeper that far out of goal then fair enough you are probably right. we were way too wasteful in front of goal, mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 13 December, 2014 Share Posted 13 December, 2014 you are probably right. we were way too wasteful in front of goal, mind Very much so, but thats been our issue for years. I blamed FF for the second at first, but having another look after getting over the result I think its a tad harsh. Thats what Utd get with top level options, Falcao, Rooney, RVP none need many chances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 13 December, 2014 Share Posted 13 December, 2014 Just watched the goal again when it was repeated on soccer AM, if Im honest I might be being harsh on him for the second aswell. The cross was excellent and was way out of the 6 yard box for ages. If you watch it and honestly want your keeper that far out of goal then fair enough That was my feeling. I was sat in the central Kingsland, right behind Rooney's cross, and at no time did I think it was the keeper's ball. My immediate reaction was 'how did those three get round the back without being picked up?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 13 December, 2014 Share Posted 13 December, 2014 discussing the goals on sky now they think both goals the keeper was at fault for being static Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 13 December, 2014 Share Posted 13 December, 2014 discussing the goals on sky now they think both goals the keeper was at fault for being static Even the first??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 13 December, 2014 Share Posted 13 December, 2014 He was "static" again on that first half cross that ended up in the scramble inside the six yard box. With little in the way of blocking attackers, it was "keeper's ball" all the way, especially for a guy his height, but he inexplicably stayed on his line and mayhem ensued. We ended up with a free kick for something in the melé but Forster's lack of decisiveness created the problem in the first place. He has to make his height and physical stature his biggest assets and dominate the goalmouth, especially as low shots will always be challenging for him, but he's not even doing that consistently. And inconsistency on crosses sews uncertainty among defenders, which we're starting to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 13 December, 2014 Share Posted 13 December, 2014 £10m quid. Has age on his side but he's proving to be nothing more than an expensive replacement for Boruc, who had done nothing wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 13 December, 2014 Share Posted 13 December, 2014 discussing the goals on sky now they think both goals the keeper was at fault for being static Utter crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 13 December, 2014 Share Posted 13 December, 2014 £10m quid. Has age on his side but he's proving to be nothing more than an expensive replacement for Boruc, who had done nothing wrong. Think one aspect that isn't being discussed is the relative characters and the impact they have on team spirit. Many posters have raved about the togetherness at the club. I've previously heard positive things about FF. I have met KD and seems a very decent guy, very well liked within the camp. Then there is AB who had tantrum with fans at start of his career, sulked rather than competed when FF arrived and who our manager has said we are better off giving him away than having him at the training ground. Is he disruptive, a pain etc? I do like characters in the club, and we've had a few over the years, but its a lot easier as a fan than working with them. Boruc is a good keeper, gold enough for top championship , or many prem sides. He isn't gold enough for a top 6 side. IMHO, FF is good enough for top 6 sides. Although the purpose of this board is to analyse and debate, it is dangerous for keepers, they all make mistakes, they all let in goals, misjudge corners etc - often leading to goals. My memory of shilton is that he didn't, but that is probably a bit of a romantic exaggeration! Hart, seaman etc all have had nightmares. If he wanted out I bet fans at most prem sides, bar united, Chelsea, man city, spurs (although even heard some mixed views from spurs fans this season) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 13 December, 2014 Share Posted 13 December, 2014 Did OK today. No chance with the goal, which he would have saved comfortably if it wasn't for the deflection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 14 December, 2014 Share Posted 14 December, 2014 So where is he at on the sh1tometer this week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 14 December, 2014 Share Posted 14 December, 2014 I for one was highly critical of Kelvin for conceding at the near post.FF has done it yet again and 'he needs time to bed in'? We paid a lot of money for him so he really should be a little more aware of the threats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 14 December, 2014 Share Posted 14 December, 2014 I for one was highly critical of Kelvin for conceding at the near post.FF has done it yet again and 'he needs time to bed in'? We paid a lot of money for him so he really should be a little more aware of the threats. All keepers concede at the near post. Boruc does BAnks did, Shilton did, the Bayern keeper has. The fans on here magnify the problem as patently most have never had a ball come at them at speed and deflected or so close to their legs that sometimes they can't react quick enough. My gripe with FF is that with his height and size he should dominate the area and also be quick off his line to clear a through ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 December, 2014 Share Posted 14 December, 2014 I for one was highly critical of Kelvin for conceding at the near post.FF has done it yet again and 'he needs time to bed in'? We paid a lot of money for him so he really should be a little more aware of the threats. It was a deflection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 14 December, 2014 Share Posted 14 December, 2014 I for one was highly critical of Kelvin for conceding at the near post.FF has done it yet again and 'he needs time to bed in'? We paid a lot of money for him so he really should be a little more aware of the threats. It was a clear deflection off Toby. FF could do nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 14 December, 2014 Share Posted 14 December, 2014 It was a clear deflection off Toby. FF could do nothing. If anything I wish Toby had done more really, if he had time to half spin around to get his strong foot in the way he had time to effectively block it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 14 December, 2014 Share Posted 14 December, 2014 Utter crap no it's not utter crap its the truth you cant face, they agreed the back-pass was horrendous but he did nothing to narrow down the odds by running out to close the ball down as soon as it was clear the back-pass was short he remained static, I'm in no way suggesting forster will not ever get better just that he is not at the level we need him to be at right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 14 December, 2014 Share Posted 14 December, 2014 I for one was highly critical of Kelvin for conceding at the near post.FF has done it yet again and 'he needs time to bed in'? We paid a lot of money for him so he really should be a little more aware of the threats. I think you need to watch the goal back again, and explain just what exactly, in the name of physics and movement, how he was able to magically change the course of his body to meet the deflection within a milisecond? Unfortunately he's not magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 14 December, 2014 Share Posted 14 December, 2014 (edited) no it's not utter crap its the truth you cant face, they agreed the back-pass was horrendous but he did nothing to narrow down the odds by running out to close the ball down as soon as it was clear the back-pass was short he remained static, I'm in no way suggesting forster will not ever get better just that he is not at the level we need him to be at right now And what level do we need him to be at compared at what we have ? He has made one stupid mistake, the Villa one, and it could have been a damn sight worse. Blaming him for the backpass is moronic, and I couldnt care less what professionals on the soccer saturday panel commented. He was stiched up by fonte, I wouldnt of expected him to cone flying put and realistically if he did and got it wrong you would no doubt be the first to comment. He came out, faced up and looked big, RVP did a good job squeezing it in. The cross I think he could've done better but ultimately it was a good cross and good movement that did it. He isnt the finished article, and at 10m he was probably overpriced but he isnt as bad as the boo boys like yourself make out. Edited 14 December, 2014 by Smirking_Saint Getting the games mixed up, cheers whitey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 December, 2014 Share Posted 14 December, 2014 And what level do we need him to be at compared at what we have ? He has made one stupid mistake, the City one, and it could have been a damn sight worse. Blaming him for the backpass is moronic, and I couldnt care less what professionals on the soccer saturday panel commented. He was stiched up by fonte, I wouldnt of expected him to cone flying put and realistically if he did and got it wrong you would no doubt be the first to comment. He came out, faced up and looked big, RVP did a good job squeezing it in. The cross I think he could've done better but ultimately it was a good cross and good movement that did it. He isnt the finished article, and at 10m he was probably overpriced but he isnt as bad as the boo boys lile yourself make out. 'City'? I presume you mean Villa. Other than that I agree with all you say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 14 December, 2014 Share Posted 14 December, 2014 'City'? I presume you mean Villa. Other than that I agree with all you say. Yeah, dunno why I said city lol Yes Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Fandango Posted 14 December, 2014 Share Posted 14 December, 2014 Boruc reminds me of John Burridge- a massive ego but not always the best keeper. Burridge was quickly replaced by Tim Flowers who is arguably our best keeper since Shilton. Sadly Niemi was far too injury prone and never played a full season for us. Forster will only get better. Boruc cost us points in a number of matches last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 14 December, 2014 Share Posted 14 December, 2014 (edited) Watching De Gea today, and had a bad start at Utd, not bad now though, they stuck with him and now have one of the best. Edited 15 December, 2014 by Noodles34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 14 December, 2014 Share Posted 14 December, 2014 Boruc reminds me of John Burridge- a massive ego but not always the best keeper. Burridge was quickly replaced by Tim Flowers who is arguably our best keeper since Shilton. Sadly Niemi was far too injury prone and never played a full season for us. Forster will only get better. Boruc cost us points in a number of matches last season. Niemi was superb for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 15 December, 2014 Share Posted 15 December, 2014 Xavi has said he's been the best goal keeper he's played against on several occasions... that is good enough for me. He also said that scholes was the most talented england midfielder since Le Tissier.... Why do people dislike Xavi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 16 December, 2014 Share Posted 16 December, 2014 What a save vs Sheffield! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 16 December, 2014 Share Posted 16 December, 2014 This guy is pish poor and if Koeman has any sense at all he will drop him - utter rubbish... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 16 December, 2014 Share Posted 16 December, 2014 This guy is pish poor and if Koeman has any sense at all he will drop him - utter rubbish... Yeah, lets play gazza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 16 December, 2014 Share Posted 16 December, 2014 This guy is pish poor and if Koeman has any sense at all he will drop him - utter rubbish... Yep, he's the reason we're not scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irene Posted 16 December, 2014 Share Posted 16 December, 2014 Yeah, lets play gazza He can't drop him. He made sure of that and there was far worse than forster tonight RK has to worry about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 16 December, 2014 Share Posted 16 December, 2014 He can't drop him. He made sure of that and there was far worse than forster tonight RK has to worry about Good luck tomorrow mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG Posted 16 December, 2014 Share Posted 16 December, 2014 Can we recall Boruc? Please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 16 December, 2014 Share Posted 16 December, 2014 Are we forgetting about the 4-5 very good saves ? One of our better players tonight.... Not saying much that though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 16 December, 2014 Share Posted 16 December, 2014 Only player that came out with any credit tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 16 December, 2014 Share Posted 16 December, 2014 Few amazing saves, few dodgy moments (missed punches). Still needs to work on commanding his area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 16 December, 2014 Share Posted 16 December, 2014 MOM from a Saints perspective. May have done better for the goal. Definitely not a weak link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 16 December, 2014 Share Posted 16 December, 2014 As I said last week. A bloody expensive replacement for someone who was doing a perfectly good job. He looks very average indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 Few amazing saves, few dodgy moments (missed punches). Still needs to work on commanding his area. Yes, he made some good saves, but he does not inspire confidence and his decision making is very suspect.. however, there are far more urgent issues to address than the goalie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo1976 Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 Yes, he made some good saves, but he does not inspire confidence and his decision making is very suspect.. however, there are far more urgent issues to address than the goalie. makes you wonder what the England goalkeeping coach does with him in training to be honest a big fella like him should be barking orders and being dominant about the area like Shilton used to be . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 makes you wonder what the England goalkeeping coach does with him in training to be honest a big fella like him should be barking orders and being dominant about the area like Shilton used to be . I just cant understand why he hasn't waved his magic wand and turned Forester into the greatest goalkeeper in history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 I just cant understand why he hasn't waved his magic wand and turned Forester into the greatest goalkeeper in history. Well either he's not telling Forster how to be more commanding of his area or Forster just isn't listening. Either way somethings wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 Fraser Forster just isn't that good, his distribution is all right but the rest of his game sucks, he's nowhere near as bad as gazzanigga but not as good as Boruc overall, they held us for ransom on paying 10 million for him as they knew we had plenty of cash he is a five million rated keeper tops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 Fraser Forster just isn't that good, his distribution is all right but the rest of his game sucks, he's nowhere near as bad as gazzanigga but not as good as Boruc overall, they held us for ransom on paying 10 million for him as they knew we had plenty of cash he is a five million rated keeper tops Not that I'd totally agree with you but let's face it who is as bad as Gazzaniga really! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 Well either he's not telling Forster how to be more commanding of his area or Forster just isn't listening. Either way somethings wrong. Obviously not. We all know how it works is that a coach says to a player, such as a goalkeeper, "you need to be more commanding in your area" They maybe do a session ot two during the week during training and instantly he becomes amazing at that aspect of his game. It works like that for everyone. I'm simply both amazed and disapointed that 16 games into the season of working with him that none of our players have any flaws in their game whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irene Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 Fraser Forster just isn't that good, his distribution is all right but the rest of his game sucks, he's nowhere near as bad as gazzanigga but not as good as Boruc overall, they held us for ransom on paying 10 million for him as they knew we had plenty of cash he is a five million rated keeper tops This is true. Saints had the money to pay what celtic wanted. No one else would have coughed up that much for him. Good keeper but not worth 10 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 This is true. Saints had the money to pay what celtic wanted. No one else would have coughed up that much for him. Good keeper but not worth 10 million But then you could apply the same measure to Long,Tadic,Mané,Gardos and even Pelle. We sold players for more than they were worth we bought other players for more than they're worth.....football economics eh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 17 December, 2014 Share Posted 17 December, 2014 I just cant understand why he hasn't waved his magic wand and turned Forester into the greatest goalkeeper in history.well Les would wave his magic wand and do so , so why not a goal keeping coach? Forster should dominate a penalty area with his height and reach. it seems to me that he has lost his confidence completely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now