Nathaniel Clyne Joins Liverpool - Official

[doddisalegend]

I would personally splash whatever we get for Clyne and then some more to get Coleman from Everton. He can defend, score, is young (I think). I think Everton are struggling a bit at the moment and the need to sell in order to buy it appears. All depend on where we end though.

 

26 I believe

 

Decent player but I can't imagine he'd leave Everton for us and would probably be out of price range anyway. No doubt our new RB will be someone most of us have never heard of.

[Chez]

Yes ok generally. Feyenoord didnt though, under Koeman, despite being skint when he got there. They improved. The point is that he is very used to this happening, and Reed is well versed too, so lets hope we get worse next year like we have this

 

They improved compared to other Dutch sides, but overall Dutch sides get weaker and weaker as the replacements aren't always better.

 

If we don't match the quality we will go backwards quickly. But That has always been the case and you are right that having a manager used to coping with that need to constantly recruit is helpful, but losing multiple star players in consecutive seasons is going to be tough.

 

Always interesting being a saint.

[Bucks Saint]

They improved compared to other Dutch sides, but overall Dutch sides get weaker and weaker as the replacements aren't always better.

 

If we don't match the quality we will go backwards quickly. But That has always been the case and you are right that having a manager used to coping with that need to constantly recruit is helpful, but losing multiple star players in consecutive seasons is going to be tough.

 

Always interesting being a saint.

 

Agreed. For now though, until we regularly battle Spanish and German teams, I am happy if we just keep improving against other teams in our little old league

[CityRanger]

If Clyne sees out the final season of his contract would Saints get compensation? I read that Burnley will get compo for Ings when he does that, although Ings is younger?

[Batman]

If Clyne sees out the final season of his contract would Saints get compensation? I read that Burnley will get compo for Ings when he does that, although Ings is younger?

 

Clyne was never 'produced' by saints

[Coxford_lou]

I'll be so gutted to lose Clyne. I think he's my favourite player to watch. I love it when he gets a cross in from nothing after beating a player for speed, or a little nippy trick to confuse the defender. Or when he's running back to defend against a pacey winger and beats them with a perfectly timed tackle.

 

[Saint_Tony]

He's had little impact going forward in recent weeks. Still a great player though. I'd hope the club are well prepared for another summer similar to last year though and already have a replacement line up.

[BARCELONASAINT]

I think the majority on here are realistic and accept that 99% of players have no real loyalty to the football club that employ them and this has been the case for years. Matt Le Tiss was a one off. All they care about is the size of their wage pack. How many have we seen go to clubs and double or triple their salaries BUT play little football for their new club due to the squad sizes. Any one that wants to leave should go but on OUR terms. I am confident they will be replaced by better or equal quality players....thats one thing our management team have shown this season.

[Badger]

Clyne was never 'produced' by saints

 

Can Burnley claim to have 'produced' Ings though, having signed him from Bournemouth ?

 

I think age might be the difference between these two and 'out of contract' compensation.

[Batman]

Can Burnley claim to have 'produced' Ings though, having signed him from Bournemouth ?

 

I think age might be the difference between these two and 'out of contract' compensation.

 

guess it depends on the age when they move (u23 or something)..?

[Whitey Grandad]

Can Burnley claim to have 'produced' Ings though, having signed him from Bournemouth ?

 

I think age might be the difference between these two and 'out of contract' compensation.

 

There are established regulations for this. I've never been bothered enough to look them up.

[Donatello]

Why are the majority of the folks here so convinced that it's easy to replace players like MS and NC? Moreover, that we can do so for comparatively less than we're selling for? If it's *that* easy, why are the heavyweights (who are likely better equipt) unable to pilfer talent in the same manner? Note, I'm not saying we can't replace with comparable players, but some speak as if it's a foregone conclusion.

[CB Fry]

Why are the majority of the folks here so convinced that it's easy to replace players like MS and NC? Moreover, that we can do so for comparatively less than we're selling for? If it's *that* easy, why are the heavyweights (who are likely better equipt) unable to pilfer talent in the same manner? Note, I'm not saying we can't replace with comparable players, but some speak as if it's a foregone conclusion.

Not sure I'm seeing anyone saying that to be honest, let alone the majority.

 

Clyne, if he is wanted by one or two of the big boys, is highly likely to go.

 

We then need to regroup and build again. Can we find another right back to keep us competitive in the top half of the Premier League? Don't see why not. It's not "that easy", but it is also not beyond us.

 

Nothings guaranteed of course. To that end also possible that someone spends 20 million on Nathaniel and he can't cope and he goes to dogs hit. What will be will be.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Why are the majority of the folks here so convinced that it's easy to replace players like MS and NC? Moreover, that we can do so for comparatively less than we're selling for? If it's *that* easy, why are the heavyweights (who are likely better equipt) unable to pilfer talent in the same manner? Note, I'm not saying we can't replace with comparable players, but some speak as if it's a foregone conclusion.

 

People aren't saying that I don't think...

[Donatello]

Not sure I'm seeing anyone saying that to be honest, let alone the majority.

 

Clyne, if he is wanted by one or two of the big boys, is highly likely to go.

 

We then need to regroup and build again. Can we find another right back to keep us competitive in the top half of the Premier League? Don't see why not. It's not "that easy", but it is also not beyond us.

 

Nothings guaranteed of course. To that end also possible that someone spends 20 million on Nathaniel and he can't cope and he goes to dogs hit. What will be will be.

 

You only have to look at the post immediately above mine for an example. And from what I've been able to glean from the summer business thread, there's certainly a large presence of confidence (which is fair enough, of course, just curious as to the rationale)....Coleman was even suggested As you say, it's all conjecture.

Edited 28 February, 2015 by Donatello

[Bucks Saint]

Why are the majority of the folks here so convinced that it's easy to replace players like MS and NC? Moreover, that we can do so for comparatively less than we're selling for? If it's *that* easy, why are the heavyweights (who are likely better equipt) unable to pilfer talent in the same manner? Note, I'm not saying we can't replace with comparable players, but some speak as if it's a foregone conclusion.

 

I dont see many saying its easy, its called having a great manager, a very good scouting / recruitment network, a supportive board AND being prepared to buy players from "smaller" leagues or from a smaller club, because you know, or have seen, enough about them to believe they can make a success of the Prem. Its a risk, but good clubs manage that risk well. The so called Heavyweights do this occasionally, but usually prefer to buy an established quality player from a decent team in a decent league. This means paying a high price, and/or high wages, but they prefer to do this for the low risk it involves.

Edited 28 February, 2015 by Bucks Saint

[CB Fry]

You only have to look at the post immediately above mine for an example. And from what I've been able to glean from the summer business thread, there's certainly a large presence of confidence (which is fair enough, of course, just curious as to the rationale)....Coleman was even suggested As you say, it's all conjecture.

Hmm. Not really. Clyne is more than likely gone.

 

So you either want woe is me/we're all doomed defeatism (over a right back) or a level of expectation that we can sign another right back of a decent standard.

 

After all, we signed a N. Clyne from Palace only a couple of years ago for only two million quid.

[st alex]

I think he's a left back / centre back, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrone_Mings looks good, I wonder if we'd have any chance of signing him and converting him to play on the right?

[Badger]

Him and Morgan will go and I'm oddly looking forward to it. Obviously I'd rather keep them but they're clearly off.

 

We can sign 4 great players for the money we will get, continue to strengthen and become a regular top 6 side.

 

Yes, we could of course sign 4 great players, Classie might be one and I'd look forrward to that.

 

On the other hand we could spend £12m on a bit of a journeyman who runs around a lot, shows plenty of huff and puff but whose scoring record is poor, along with a Serbian international who flatters to deceive for about 8 games before becoming tiried and out of form.

[david in sweden]

Clyne was never 'produced' by saints

 

......although like Lallana (at Bournemouth first), there may be a sell-on clause in Clyne's contract which would give some "development" cash to Palace?

[Charlie Wayman]

This quote today

 

Manchester United are in talks to sign Porto right-back Danilo, 23, with the Old Trafford club willing to meet the Brazilian's £37m release clause. (Sport - in Spanish)

 

Maybe Nat shouldn't be too hasty, is that contract is still on the table?

[Matthew Le God]

This quote today

 

Manchester United are in talks to sign Porto right-back Danilo, 23, with the Old Trafford club willing to meet the Brazilian's £37m release clause. (Sport - in Spanish)

 

Maybe Nat shouldn't be too hasty, is that contract is still on the table?

 

That is a bit of a circular news story, the Spanish article is rehashing articles in English papers and now the English press is rehashing the Spanish rehash.

[saints1988]

We have one of the recruitment analysis team at Leeds v Ipswich tonight, I would assume we are looking at Sam Byrum again

[VectisSaint]

We have one of the recruitment analysis team at Leeds v Ipswich tonight, I would assume we are looking at Sam Byrum again

Perhaps we may also be looking to bring Tyrone Mings back.

[John B]

Perhaps we may also be looking to bring Tyrone Mings back.

 

Saw Mings the other week at Portman Road he was not that good not a PL FB yet the local fans would be surprised if he left at the moment

[VectisSaint]

Saw Mings the other week at Portman Road he was not that good not a PL FB yet the local fans would be surprised if he left at the moment

His performance at St Marys would suggest otherwise. He looks a better prospect than Targett (and that's no disrespect to Targett) but possibly not as a FB in the longer term.

[Lallana's Left Peg]

Honestly can't see us going for Mings with Bertrand signed for the next 4 years and Targett the next 5. As far as left-back goes, we're set.

[david in sweden]

Honestly can't see us going for Mings with Bertrand signed for the next 4 years and Targett the next 5. As far as left-back goes' date=' we're set.[/quote']

 

RB ?.......maybe Jason McCarthy will get his chance now ?

[Lallana's Left Peg]

RB ?.......maybe Jason McCarthy will get his chance now ?

 

We definitely need a right-back. We need one now - if Clyne leaves we need two. McCarthy seems to be a central defender who can play right back rather than someone who can specialise in that position. And I think these days you need specialised full-backs.

[Redslo]

......although like Lallana (at Bournemouth first), there may be a sell-on clause in Clyne's contract which would give some "development" cash to Palace?

 

I think Palace is entitled to 4% of the transferee fee as a solidarity payment under FIFA rules because they had him through the season he turned 21. I do not know if exactly the same rules apply to non-international transfers. Of course, a sell on clause would add to that.

 

I don't think we get anything if he leaves on a free at the end of his contract.

[Chez]

 

We can sign 4 great players for the money we will get, continue to strengthen and become a regular top 6 side.

 

Maybe, (and you are assuming the new players come off) but this stronger squad things is all very well, you can only play 11 (and a few subs). Is a squad of say 20 `good' players better than a squad of say 11 `very good' players and 9 `average players'? Take away those four or five genuine top class players (that's perhaps Clyne, Morgan, Vic and Toby) and are you left with a side that will win enough games (not just compete)?

 

In my book it's better to keep 2 very good players than have the money to sign possibly 4 good ones. I guess its irrelevant as players like Morgan and Clyne will leave no matter what we do (apart from paying them Man U size wages).

[Chez]

We have one of the recruitment analysis team at Leeds v Ipswich tonight, I would assume we are looking at Sam Byrum again

 

Leeds fans keep saying he's playing right wing these days so nothing to see here, but with our formation he'll need to be used to playing in the opponents third anyway.

[Lallana's Left Peg]

Maybe, (and you are assuming the new players come off) but this stronger squad things is all very well, you can only play 11 (and a few subs). Is a squad of say 20 `good' players better than a squad of say 11 `very good' players and 9 `average players'? Take away those four or five genuine top class players (that's perhaps Clyne, Morgan, Vic and Toby) and are you left with a side that will win enough games (not just compete)?

 

In my book it's better to keep 2 very good players than have the money to sign possibly 4 good ones. I guess its irrelevant as players like Morgan and Clyne will leave no matter what we do (apart from paying them Man U size wages).

 

I definitely think its a case of better the Devil you know but as you say when these matters are taken out of your hands then you just have to try and recruit as best you can.

[davesaint]

If Winston Reid can commit to West Ham, why can't Clyne commit to us?

[Window Cleaner]

If Winston Reid can commit to West Ham, why can't Clyne commit to us?

 

££££££££££££££££££££££££££s

[Torres]

If Winston Reid can commit to West Ham, why can't Clyne commit to us?

 

6.5 years!

[SuperSAINT]

If Winston Reid can commit to West Ham, why can't Clyne commit to us?

 

Because most of the talk of teams wanting him [Reid] was probably not true.

[Chez]

brilliant bit of work by the agent there. Hold off from talks, turn down the early contract offer, wait for contract to go into final year, place stories in press of interest from rivals, wait for revised contract and then when it comes start to negotiate driving a hard bargain using the increased TV income as the perfect reason.

[Turkish]

brilliant bit of work by the agent there. Hold off from talks, turn down the early contract offer, wait for contract to go into final year, place stories in press of interest from rivals, wait for revised contract and then when it comes start to negotiate driving a hard bargain using the increased TV income as the perfect reason.

 

That's why they get paid a fortune. Because they make their clients a fortune.

[Matthew Le God]

If Winston Reid can commit to West Ham, why can't Clyne commit to us?

 

Because Clyne is a better player and the "interest" in Reid from Arsenal didn't really exist (at least not to a level where they were going to offer him a deal)?

[Window Cleaner]

Because Clyne is a better player and the "interest" in Reid from Arsenal didn't really exist?

Does the "interest from Arsenal" really exist in any player ?

[Dan Johnson]

Does the "interest from Arsenal" really exist in any player ?

 

Arsenal are interested in signing Schneiderlin, he signed a pre-contract agreement with them in 2008, it's been a done deal since then... honest

[deadpanmatt]

If another employer approached you in your line of work and offered you twice or three times the pay you're on now to do the same job, what would you say? To expect footballers to get paid less than they could elsewhere in what is a short career is naïve and overly romanticised if you ask me. I'd love Clyne to stay but I have confidence that someone will replace him and do a decent job. Just look at Bertrand.

 

I think the majority on here are realistic and accept that 99% of players have no real loyalty to the football club that employ them and this has been the case for years. Matt Le Tiss was a one off. All they care about is the size of their wage pack. How many have we seen go to clubs and double or triple their salaries BUT play little football for their new club due to the squad sizes. Any one that wants to leave should go but on OUR terms. I am confident they will be replaced by better or equal quality players....thats one thing our management team have shown this season.

[Horley CTFC Saint]

There's a chap on the Liverpool forum saying they should sign Schneiderlin, Clyne, Wanyama, Forster and Ward Prowse in the Summer - dunno whats wrong with Fonte though!!

[Bobbyboy]

Problem is, how do we convince someone like Toby to sign if we're selling Clyne and Schneiderlin? I accept we have little choice, but the media will dress it up as deliberate sell off again, when the simple truth is we keep having players who want CL football and we'll struggle to give it to them. People will blame Saints, say they could have done so much better etc., instead of focusing on the real problem that's destroying football, the CL.

 

Actually I think one thing that came out of our time in the top 4 was that there was a feeling these players would probably move anyway. It's convenient for players moving to The Big Clubs if that club is in the CL that year because it gives them something to say other than 'it's for the money'. Us finishing that high would still see them leave but at least they would have to admit the actual truth: it's for the money, and that's where we're not competing with The Big Clubs.

 

Am I too cynical?

[Toadhall Saint]

Sell him

[del boy]

Arsenal are interested in signing Schneiderlin, he signed a pre-contract agreement with them in 2008, it's been a done deal since then... honest

I hope the FA have been made aware of this breach of rules

[Verbal Kint]

Actually I think one thing that came out of our time in the top 4 was that there was a feeling these players would probably move anyway. It's convenient for players moving to The Big Clubs if that club is in the CL that year because it gives them something to say other than 'it's for the money'. Us finishing that high would still see them leave but at least they would have to admit the actual truth: it's for the money, and that's where we're not competing with The Big Clubs.

 

Am I too cynical?

 

Not in the slightest. You're spot on

[JonnyOldBoy]

looks like Clyne will certainly be sold in the summer.... Assume we will play hardball and get £25M for him.... or else keep him for the next campaign to see out his contract.... would hate to see us bottle it and let him go for peanuts.....

[hypochondriac]

looks like Clyne will certainly be sold in the summer.... Assume we will play hardball and get £25M for him.... or else keep him for the next campaign to see out his contract.... would hate to see us bottle it and let him go for peanuts.....

 

He is going for big money in the summer.