Saint_Jonny Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 We have to sign Toby to make up for the loss of NC and MS in my opinion, losing all three will be really bad for our squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 Toby or not Toby, that is the question. Alas poor Cedric.........I'll get me coat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 We have to sign Toby to make up for the loss of NC and MS in my opinion, losing all three will be really bad for our squad. Losing Clyne and Schneiderlin could influence Toby decision against coming to us... Unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 Alas poor Cedric.........I'll get me coat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 Losing Clyne and Schneiderlin could influence Toby decision against coming to us... Unfortunately. Every man & his dog have known that both Clyne and Morgan were off. More money and the fact that Spurs have met the asking price has more to do with it at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 Every man & his dog have known that both Clyne and Morgan were off. More money and the fact that Spurs have met the asking price has more to do with it at the moment. Exactly. And we don't know what was spoken about in the dressing room. Both may have been quite open about looking to move....so toby may have know for a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 Exactly. And we don't know what was spoken about in the dressing room. Both may have been quite open about looking to move....so toby may have know for a while Based on what Koeman and Reed were saying at the end of the season, I don't think everyone knew Clyne was off. Don't think him leaving would directly affect Alderweireld anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 It could Toby would want to be a part of a defence with Stekelenberg again, as at Ajax? Who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restark19 Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 It could Toby would want to be a part of a defence with Stekelenberg again' date=' as at Ajax? Who knows?[/quote'] Clutching at straws I think. Maybe he wants to play with Belgium team mate Verthongen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 Clutching at straws I think. Maybe he wants to play with Belgium team mate Verthongen He did as much a couple of months back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 Based on what Koeman and Reed were saying at the end of the season, I don't think everyone knew Clyne was off. Don't think him leaving would directly affect Alderweireld anyway. Alderweireld will want to play for a club going forward. If Morgan and Clyne are sold before he signs he, like some of the players last summer, might take another look at his own situation. Not the only factor of course, but he will want to sign for a club attempting to get in in the CL. Lose Morgan and are we really that club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouldy Coat Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 He probably already knew they were off fella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 Alderweireld will want to play for a club going forward. If Morgan and Clyne are sold before he signs he, like some of the players last summer, might take another look at his own situation. Not the only factor of course, but he will want to sign for a club attempting to get in in the CL. Lose Morgan and are we really that club? I think there has been a deal in place with Morgan since last summer and anyway he has previously let it be known that he wanted CL football. Im sure Toby has known about the possibility / likelihood of him leaving for months. I'm not saying its not a factor in his decision, but it wont be the major one imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted 26 June, 2015 Author Share Posted 26 June, 2015 And what about the signings they have made prior to the departures? Silly season has begun...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 More money and the fact that Spurs have met the asking price has more to do with it at the moment. Hadn't seen that anywhere but fake ITK accounts, has it come from anyone reliable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 The Sun have said Spurs have agreed terms & a fee of £11million for Toby. I can't believe we aren't in there & fighting at that price whether we get any fees from clauses or not!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 The Sun have said Spurs have agreed terms & a fee of £11million for Toby. I can't believe we aren't in there & fighting at that price whether we get any fees from clauses or not!! Do you think we aren't fighting for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landford.saint Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 The Sun have said Spurs have agreed terms & a fee of £11million for Toby. I can't believe we aren't in there & fighting at that price whether we get any fees from clauses or not!! The important part of that is;- The Sun.. About as reliable as a politician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 Do you think we aren't fighting for him? I absolutely think we are. I was trying to say I can't believe we wouldn't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 A fee has been agreed, been told Toby hasn't even met with any Spurs officials, nowhere near done. He has an offer from another club ;-) Sent from my D5803 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 If he goes to spurs that would be a total disaster Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 If he goes to spurs that would be a total disaster Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk For whom ? Us perhaps...Toby..probably less so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 For us. And a direct rival would get an excellent player. Come on Ronald. Work your magic Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 For us. And a direct rival would get an excellent player. Come on Ronald. Work your magic Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk It's got nothing to do with Koeman.. There's a transfer committee who have already turned down his wishes over Elia, or so we were told on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 If he goes to spurs that would be a total disaster Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk No it wouldn't. Jesus the over-reaction on here is unreal sometimes. He's a bloody good player and I hope we can get him, but if not there are other very good defenders out there who would love to sign for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 No it wouldn't. Jesus the over-reaction on here is unreal sometimes. He's a bloody good player and I hope we can get him, but if not there are other very good defenders out there who would love to sign for us Such as? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 Such as? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I and you probably haven't heard of half of them. We have a scouting system in place that watches game after game in numerous leagues across the globe. If you seriously think there aren't other very good defenders out there then you're slightly deluded. Had you heard of Mane before we signed him? Loads of good players out there playing in lesser leagues who would jump at the chance to join us and play in the PL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 A fee has been agreed, been told Toby hasn't even met with any Spurs officials, nowhere near done. He has an offer from another club ;-) Sent from my D5803 using Tapatalk Presuming that club has agreed a fee as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 Such as? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I'm pretty sure, if i look back through this forum, the exact same was said when we sold Lovren. The fact is that there are plenty of good players out there. Fabian Schar, aleksandar dragovic, Hector Monero - 3 very talented, top level CB's who have all previously been linked with us. So there are 3 names straight away. For what it's worth, I want us to keep Toby more than anything - ever. It would send such a signal. But...if it doesn't happen for whatever reason, then whilst we will be understandably gutted, the reality is that he's not the only talented CB out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 Just anyone but spurs... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 Presuming that club has agreed a fee as well? Hope so if he has received an offer otherwise that could be taken for tapping up and we all know that sort of thing doesn't happen in football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 Alderweireld will want to play for a club going forward. If Morgan and Clyne are sold before he signs he, like some of the players last summer, might take another look at his own situation. Not the only factor of course, but he will want to sign for a club attempting to get in in the CL. Lose Morgan and are we really that club? Except he was happy to come last summer when things looked far worse than this time round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 It's got nothing to do with Koeman.. There's a transfer committee who have already turned down his wishes over Elia, or so we were told on this forum. You should tell the press that every bloody article about saints and transfers seems to think Koeman is making all the decisions it's quite amusing really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 What about the very expensive centre half we already have stepping up to the plate this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 (edited) I'd be shocked if that Sun article were true, that would mean we refused our right to sign him and Spurs came out with a £11m bid, £3m more than ours at £8m, just cannot see A, that we've refused our right to sign him and B, that we've only bid £8m for him. Edited 26 June, 2015 by BlakeySFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 I'd be shocked if that Sun article with true, that would mean we refused our right to sign him and Spurs came out with a £11m bid, £3m more than ours at £8m, just cannot see A, that we've refused our right to sign him and B, that we've only bid £8m for him. You've not really been following this story have you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 Relax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 You've not really been following this story have you? Enlighten me as to the recent developments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 Relax. Is that an ITK kinda relax or a 'just chill & wait & see' kinda relax? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 would be happy to loose clyne if we can keep toby resigned to losing both though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 I'd be shocked if that Sun article were true, that would mean we refused our right to sign him and Spurs came out with a £11m bid, £3m more than ours at £8m, just cannot see A, that we've refused our right to sign him and B, that we've only bid £8m for him. Have you considered that he might want to sign for the spuds rather than us, plus, salary might have a bearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 26 June, 2015 Share Posted 26 June, 2015 Have you considered that he might want to sign for the spuds rather than us, plus, salary might have a bearing. I may be wrong here, but I was under the impression that we have first refusal on him, as in Atletico have to try and get a deal done with us first, only if that deal falls apart and/or we pass on him can he be offered to other clubs? I was also under the impression Spurs have to outbid us by £3m to get him, which, if it's true we bid £18m for him (seems like maybe that was a red herring now) Spurs would have to pay £21m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 27 June, 2015 Share Posted 27 June, 2015 Is that an ITK kinda relax or a 'just chill & wait & see' kinda relax? I've been told we've got him. Don't hang me if I'm wrong though, as I've said before, it's not quite bloke down the pub who told me, but not far off. He has been right about a few things before though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 27 June, 2015 Share Posted 27 June, 2015 I've been told we've got him. Don't hang me if I'm wrong though, as I've said before, it's not quite bloke down the pub who told me, but not far off. He has been right about a few things before though. Ah, I see. Well let's hope he's right again! It would be brilliant to keep him and even more satisfying to get him from under Poch's nose! Thanks for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanyamaisatank Posted 27 June, 2015 Share Posted 27 June, 2015 most important deal of the summer for us if it happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 27 June, 2015 Share Posted 27 June, 2015 I think we will get him. Just taking ages. He will probably be our highest ever paid player. 4 year deal. Madrid probably trying to get as much out of us upfront/in total as possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 27 June, 2015 Share Posted 27 June, 2015 I may be wrong here, but I was under the impression that we have first refusal on him, as in Atletico have to try and get a deal done with us first, only if that deal falls apart and/or we pass on him can he be offered to other clubs? I was also under the impression Spurs have to outbid us by £3m to get him, which, if it's true we bid £18m for him (seems like maybe that was a red herring now) Spurs would have to pay £21m. That's the incorrect impression you have. We had a chance to purchase home for £6.7m. If Atletico didn't want to sell him to us/sell him tp someone else then they pay us the £2m. That's what is likely to happen. There is no way in hell we bid anywhere near £18m for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 27 June, 2015 Share Posted 27 June, 2015 That's the incorrect impression you have. We had a chance to purchase home for £6.7m. If Atletico didn't want to sell him to us/sell him tp someone else then they pay us the £2m. That's what is likely to happen. There is no way in hell we bid anywhere near £18m for him. but we have then got a free 2 million pounds to use towards his cost that spurs dont have. so he will be 2 million cheaper to us than spurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 June, 2015 Share Posted 27 June, 2015 (edited) but we have then got a free 2 million pounds to use towards his cost that spurs dont have. so he will be 2 million cheaper to us than spurs. think it's 2 million euros actually, the deal was all in euros and as the pound is much stronger that it was last year (or the € weaker) the amounts change. The deal was something like 8 m€ for the player (which is only about 5.7 million £ now and the famous buy out of the agreement clause at 2 million €. It was in AS or Marca at the time. Edited 27 June, 2015 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 27 June, 2015 Share Posted 27 June, 2015 but we have then got a free 2 million pounds to use towards his cost that spurs dont have. so he will be 2 million cheaper to us than spurs. The days of any of that being relevant are gone. If he has decided he wants to go to Spurs then AM and Spurs will negotiate a fee. It's relationship with any theoretical fee Saints might pay instead is of no consequence in that situation. Let's just hope Toby wants to stay with us, the rest will work itself out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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