Norm Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 How late are you? I hadn't seen it. Thanks SO16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 How late are you? Don't be nasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 How late are you? Quite, by the sounds I hadn't seen it. Thanks SO16. Just me and you not on the internet all day/night then!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 Don't be nasty. Don't worry, I can handle it *goes off to cry in to my coffee* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 REALLY hope we don't sign Andros Townsend. Headless chicken. REALLY hope we have indeed won the race to sign VVD. I'm more convinced now that the transfer window is just to give the big clubs a month's head start... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 Would be suprised if VVD moved before their second leg on Tuesday. Why insist he can't go before their qualifiers are done and then let him leave a couple of days before the biggest one? Nine of their players were left out today. He will play Tuesday and then go IMO. Yes I would have thought so too, Tuesday's game is worth a lot of money to Celtic. I'd have thought they'd put out the best XI that they can get their hands on. Once they've qualified then who cares, Scottish league is poor so they should walk it anyway and they haven't got a lot of hope of getting past the champ league group phase anyway. Get to champ league group phase and sell up, how inspiring for their fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 REALLY hope we don't sign Andros Townsend. Headless chicken. REALLY hope we have indeed won the race to sign VVD. I'm more convinced now that the transfer window is just to give the big clubs a month's head start... Hoddle doesn't like the window either: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3207352/Deadline-day-panic-day-transfer-window-shut-season-begins.html And on Wanyama the Mail on Sunday stirs the pot further: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3207372/Victor-Wanyama-tells-Southampton-unhappy-wants-leave-midfielder-refusing-discuss-new-contract.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 Hoddle doesn't like the window either: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3207352/Deadline-day-panic-day-transfer-window-shut-season-begins.html And on Wanyama the Mail on Sunday stirs the pot further: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3207372/Victor-Wanyama-tells-Southampton-unhappy-wants-leave-midfielder-refusing-discuss-new-contract.html That's not stirring the pot further. That story made me far less concerned than the Sky thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 Get to champ league group phase and sell up, how inspiring for their fans. Achieve Best league position for donkeys years and players leave....our lot isn't exactly inspiring no matter how often the #wemarchon ******** is repeated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 I like Hoddle's analogy to the housing market. That's f**king ridiculous too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 I like Hoddle's analogy to the housing market. That's f**king ridiculous too. Hoddle talks a lot of sense in this article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 Hoddle talks a lot of sense in this article. Yes, that surprised me too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 Scottish Sun writer: @davidfriel81: Southampton pursuit of Virgil van Dijk is no secret but I'm assured the Celtic man will face Malmo on Tuesday. Be stunned if he goes before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 I think we will announce the arrival of both VW and Vlaar on Wednesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 Yes, that surprised me too It has to be a nightmare for a manager having to deal with the start of the season and not knowing which players are coming or going. It is a no brainer the shut the window before the season starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 (edited) I think we will announce the arrival of both VW and Vlaar on Wednesday Vlaar just makes no sense to me unless: 1. Koeman wants to play 3 CBs a lot more often 2. One of the current CBs is leaving Just don't see that we need 5 senior centre backs, barely any club has that many, plus Martina and McCarthy could play there if we had a major injury crisis and lost 3 of our 4 to injury/suspension. Plus Vlaar said himself he doesn't expect to be back until 2016. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/former-aston-villa-defender-ron-6096251 If we need a 5th CB we could use Jack Stephens rather than have him sat on Middlesbrough's bench. Edited 23 August, 2015 by Saint Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 Vlaar just makes no sense to me unless: 1. Koeman wants to play 3 CBs a lot more often 2. One of the current CBs is leaving Just don't see that we need 5 senior centre backs, barely any club has that many, plus Martina and McCarthy could play there if we had a major injury crisis and lost 3 of our 4 to injury/suspension. Well firstly he's free (ish), secondly Fonte is no spring chicken any more (18 months older than Vlaar), Martina bought very much for cover and heard McCarthy keen on a loan. With Caulker on a 1 yearloan contract having Vlaar as cover for Gardos makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 It has to be a nightmare for a manager having to deal with the start of the season and not knowing which players are coming or going. It is a no brainer the shut the window before the season starts. Or do away with the window altogether, all it does is hype the media and give Sky reporters something to do. Let's go back to it being open all season until the last Thursday in March. This last minute trough gathering by the filthy rich is unbecoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopper Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 I`m almost beginning to feel a bit sorry for VVD - when he arrives, the weight of expectation on him will be enormous. Just hope he lives up to the billing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 Well firstly he's free (ish), secondly Fonte is no spring chicken any more (18 months older than Vlaar), Martina bought very much for cover and heard McCarthy keen on a loan. With Caulker on a 1 yearloan contract having Vlaar as cover for Gardos makes sense. Caulker is cover for Gardos. VVD a replacement for Toby. Most matchdays we would have 3 CBs (Caulker, Vlaar and Yoshida) not playing and possibly up to two of them not even on the bench. If Martina is cover surely 5th CB is classed as cover! Think how many times we needed a 5th CB last season, none I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 Or do away with the window altogether, all it does is hype the media and give Sky reporters something to do. Let's go back to it being open all season until the last Thursday in March. This last minute trough gathering by the filthy rich is unbecoming. If I'm honest, that would make it worse. There is a tool for clubs to play the dirty and unsettle players most of the season then, no one will have a settled squad at any point. In my opinion, it opens when the season ends (or 1st June) and closes the week before the start of the season (1st August). Scrap the January window as that offers zilch, but allow loans during that month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 Well firstly he's free (ish), secondly Fonte is no spring chicken any more (18 months older than Vlaar), Martina bought very much for cover and heard McCarthy keen on a loan. With Caulker on a 1 yearloan contract having Vlaar as cover for Gardos makes sense. But both Vlaar and Gardos are suffering long-term injuries which doesn't help us much for at least the first half of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 most definitely believe that the window should shut before the 1st game of the season. I get the need to have one mid season but that does not see that much significant activity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 most definitely believe that the window should shut before the 1st game of the season. I get the need to have one mid season but that does not see that much significant activity The only thing the January window does is encourage clubs to spend stupid money, it's best keeping out of that window. That's why I think changing it to a 'loan window' will be a better idea. Will still give clubs the options to change/add depth if they need to, but will encourage them to get all their business done before the season starts. The way it should be, it'll just keep the season a lot tidier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 I`m almost beginning to feel a bit sorry for VVD - when he arrives, the weight of expectation on him will be enormous. Just hope he lives up to the billing. The usual suspects will be slagging him off after a couple of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 If I'm honest, that would make it worse. There is a tool for clubs to play the dirty and unsettle players most of the season then, no one will have a settled squad at any point. In my opinion, it opens when the season ends (or 1st June) and closes the week before the start of the season (1st August). Scrap the January window as that offers zilch, but allow loans during that month. Wel it worked for 80 odd years before the window was invented Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 But both Vlaar and Gardos are suffering long-term injuries which doesn't help us much for at least the first half of the season. Not saying I agree with it just have a hunch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 Wel it worked for 80 odd years before the window was invented European compromise innit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 Wel it worked for 80 odd years before the window was invented Well, the game isn't the same game anymore. It's dominated by money, money talks. That's why there's a hell of a lot more speculation. That method these days would just make things 100 times worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 Well, the game isn't the same game anymore. It's dominated by money, money talks. That's why there's a hell of a lot more speculation. That method these days would just make things 100 times worse. Agree with this. Don't see why they cant just have one window from 1st June - 31st July Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 There is nothing to stop any club making it public that no player it considers it doesn't want to sell will leave once the season has started. It then has to enforce that. Once it is known by all that there is no way that club will waiver it would be better for all. Rumours would be meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 Celtic say no deal in place with anyone. http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11787/9963211/celtic-deny-deal-has-been-done-to-sell-virgil-van-dijk-to-southampton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 S-Clarke says it's all down so must be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 S-Clarke says it's all down so must be true. Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 Huh? You said you think a deal is in place didn't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 You said you think a deal is in place didn't you? It looks like it is going by all the reports/talk/ everywhere - and the fact there are no other rumors linking him with anyone else. It's been clear we've wanted him from day 1 and I'd imagine stuff has gone on in the background to a stage where things are agreed in principle ready for a deal to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 You said you think a deal is in place didn't you? Don't be nasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 It looks like it is going by all the reports/talk/ everywhere - and the fact there are no other rumors linking him with anyone else. It's been clear we've wanted him from day 1 and I'd imagine stuff has gone on in the background to a stage where things are agreed in principle ready for a deal to be done. Don't understand why Celtic come out and denied a deal in place for any club then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 23 August, 2015 Share Posted 23 August, 2015 Don't be nasty. How am I being nasty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 most definitely believe that the window should shut before the 1st game of the season. I get the need to have one mid season but that does not see that much significant activity Agreed. It should close 31st July to allow managers to focus on the team they will have at least for the first half of the season. To work with a player, set up formations, styles of play etc and then have the player plucked from you 4 weeks later must be soul destroying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 Agreed. It should close 31st July to allow managers to focus on the team they will have at least for the first half of the season. To work with a player, set up formations, styles of play etc and then have the player plucked from you 4 weeks later must be soul destroying. What about leagues in other countries that start earlier/later? Or should the entire system be set up to benefit us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 What about leagues in other countries that start earlier/later? Or should the entire system be set up to benefit us? Do they have similar transfer windows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 Apparently according to a celtic fan Van Dijk has started following Saints on instagram. His account is private but has thousands of users so he could be one of them and can see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 So long as he doesn't sign up for this forum we should be ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 So long as he doesn't sign up for this forum we should be ok. We'd soon suss him out when his user name is "Big Van Dijk" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 Do they have similar transfer windows? Transfer windows are set by FIFA and do vary but generally most major European Leagues have the same or very similar window to England. The issue is not the date of the window, but the start of the leagues. Spain, for instance, generally starts 2 weeks later than England. So setting a transfer window to close 31 July (which I agree makes sense) means Spanish clubs would have to have their squads set up more than 3 weeks before their season starts. The transfer windows need to be co-ordinated nowadays because of the internationalisation of the top professional leagues. It would be difficult to have England close its window end July and Spain 3 weeks later, how would transfers be managed between the two countries? My view is that at least the window if it is perceived to be necessary should at least close one week before the start of the latest major league, so this season that would probably have meant 15 August, still not ideal, but better than the current stupid date of 31 August/1 September which this season even corresponds to the international break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 Do away with the Windows and put it back Ile it was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 Apparently according to a celtic fan Van Dijk has started following Saints on instagram. His account is private but has thousands of users so he could be one of them and can see it. Not true. He follows Clasie and Forster but no Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 Transfer windows are set by FIFA and do vary but generally most major European Leagues have the same or very similar window to England. The issue is not the date of the window, but the start of the leagues. Spain, for instance, generally starts 2 weeks later than England. So setting a transfer window to close 31 July (which I agree makes sense) means Spanish clubs would have to have their squads set up more than 3 weeks before their season starts. The transfer windows need to be co-ordinated nowadays because of the internationalisation of the top professional leagues. It would be difficult to have England close its window end July and Spain 3 weeks later, how would transfers be managed between the two countries? My view is that at least the window if it is perceived to be necessary should at least close one week before the start of the latest major league, so this season that would probably have meant 15 August, still not ideal, but better than the current stupid date of 31 August/1 September which this season even corresponds to the international break. I understand there are certain methods available to have FIFA make any decision you want them to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 24 August, 2015 Share Posted 24 August, 2015 Not true. He follows Clasie and Forster but no Saints. Instagram which is private not Twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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