Saint IQ Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 I think having Long with one other decent striker in your squad pretty much gives you safety in the premier league providing defence and midfield are half decent. Hull stayed up when he went there, next season without him they went down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 I know that we have been saying for a while that Long was not worth £12m and I am one of those, but recently I have been changing my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 I know that we have been saying for a while that Long was not worth £12m and I am one of those, but recently I have been changing my opinion. I'm not. His finishing isn't good enough to justify that sort of fee and his very high wage. BUT he has always had something to offer and has been massively underused by Koeman since the day he signed, and many people have been saying it for a while. This is the first time I can remember him getting a run of games as a centre forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 The main reason for me to think he was not worth £12m was the fact that Hull signed him for £7m only 6 months earlier. I understood the reason why we were prepared to pay that much. The question really was who else with PL experience was seen to be capable, available and at that sort of price? Not that many. And then look who Hull signed to replace him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 He has 5 league goals. He's never got more than 7 has he? So he is on target to break that, but 15? Seems extremely unlikely. Think he's talking in all comps, which he has 8 so far. If he starts up front the rest of the season he could hit 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 I know that we have been saying for a while that Long was not worth £12m and I am one of those, but recently I have been changing my opinion. I'm not. His finishing isn't good enough to justify that sort of fee and his very high wage. BUT he has always had something to offer and has been massively underused by Koeman since the day he signed, and many people have been saying it for a while. This is the first time I can remember him getting a run of games as a centre forward Its about time some Saints fans realised £12m is not a big fee anymore. £12m is not a lot of money in the current transfer market for a domestic transfer of a striker. A decent season in the Championship sees a striker valued at £8m to £12m. Shane Long has proven to be a pain for every Premier League defence for a few years. Yes, he isn't a prolific finisher, but if he were he'd have cost £25m+, not £12m. Top Premier League striker now cost £20m-£25m+. The days of a £12m striker being one of the league's best players have gone, the market has moved on. There is however better value to be found abroad as the prices aren't as inflated when trying to sign a player from a club that doesn't have the Premier League TV money aiding them financially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 Its about time some Saints fans realised £12m is not a big fee anymore. £12m is not a lot of money in the current transfer market for a domestic transfer of a striker. A decent season in the Championship sees a striker valued at £8m to £12m. Shane Long has proven to be a pain for every Premier League defence for a few years. Yes, he isn't a prolific finisher, but if he were he'd have cost £25m+, not £12m. Top Premier League striker now cost £20m-£25m+. The days of a £12m striker being one of the league's best players have gone, the market has moved on. There is however better value to be found abroad as the prices aren't as inflated when trying to sign a player from a club that doesn't have the Premier League TV money aiding them financially. Any time a football club (no matter what the level) spends 10% of its turnover on a football player it is a big fee. You are arguing it is not a big fee relative to the market and you raise some fair points. Others are saying that regardless of the market £12m is a big fee for Southampton and it is true. If Saints spend £10m+ on a player then the expectation is going to be big for him because that is a big fee for us. There are two sides to the argument and I always look at the club and not the market. But that is just my preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 Any time a football club (no matter what the level) spends 10% of its turnover on a football player it is a big fee. You are arguing it is not a big fee relative to the market and you raise some fair points. Others are saying that regardless of the market £12m is a big fee for Southampton and it is true. If Saints spend £10m+ on a player then the expectation is going to be big for him because that is a big fee for us. There are two sides to the argument and I always look at the club and not the market. But that is just my preference. It's not all spent in one season though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 The main reason for me to think he was not worth £12m was the fact that Hull signed him for £7m only 6 months earlier. I understood the reason why we were prepared to pay that much. The question really was who else with PL experience was seen to be capable, available and at that sort of price? Not that many. And then look who Hull signed to replace him. He was bought in a situation where we had to pay a premium to get him in that Hull did not have to sell. His fee in the modern world of the premier league is no big deal and I don't understand why people keep whinnicking on about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 When Pellè is on fire, I think he offers more than Long, but as soon as this team is going through a bad spell, Long adds some fight and energy into the team. We were running out of steam over November and December, but 2 x Long (vs. Arsenal & Watford) has led us to two victories and away from the drop zone. In that perspective, the £12M isn't horrible for a safety net! I still think Pellé on fire adds something different and perhaps something more than Long. We should hang on to both... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 He was bought in a situation where we had to pay a premium to get him in that Hull did not have to sell. His fee in the modern world of the premier league is no big deal and I don't understand why people keep whinnicking on about it. The only thing that annoys me is that the bloke who sat in the row in front of me last season has moved a dozen or so rows away. He hated Long, while I always sang his praises. Shame I couldn't ask his opinion on Boxing Day (couldn't be bothered) or last night (he wasn't there). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 15 January, 2016 Author Share Posted 15 January, 2016 Irish Daily Star suggesting Long is on the radar of Spurs and Liverpool http://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/liverpool-and-spurs-rumoured-to-be-targeting-ireland-striker-shane-long-34367015.html [emoji38] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 15 January, 2016 Share Posted 15 January, 2016 http://www.thisisanfield.com/2016/01/liverpool-keen-on-acquiring-southamptons-shane-long-this-january/ The bit I really love is "Whether Klopp would be interesting [sic] in a loan or a permanent transfer for the 28-year-old is unclear." The arrogance of some up there is unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 15 January, 2016 Share Posted 15 January, 2016 Irish Daily Star suggesting Long is on the radar of Spurs and Liverpool http://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/liverpool-and-spurs-rumoured-to-be-targeting-ireland-striker-shane-long-34367015.html [emoji38] WOW Charlie...if that happens ....you might see us getting our money back, but who will you buy to replace him ?....all tips to Les Reed pls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 15 January, 2016 Share Posted 15 January, 2016 Irish Daily Star suggesting Long is on the radar of Spurs and Liverpool http://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/liverpool-and-spurs-rumoured-to-be-targeting-ireland-striker-shane-long-34367015.html [emoji38] Don't Poch and Klopp know how terrible he is? They need to read the experts on here view before they think about wasting money on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 15 January, 2016 Share Posted 15 January, 2016 Don't Poch and Klopp know how terrible he is? They need to read the experts on here view before they think about wasting money on him. SSSSCH ! you'll put the mockers on the deal befoe it starts. Don't you know that " strong managers " are very single-minded and always get their man. Remember how Brendan was so keen to get Lovren ..and Lallana ...and Lambert:rolleyes: If the Liverpool chairman has got his cheque book out -keep quiet. Pochettino, of course also has a reputation for getting his man ...like Dani Osvaldo How can we, as mere fans, know better than "The Professionals"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 15 January, 2016 Share Posted 15 January, 2016 We all realise that, but thanks. I know you struggle when it's not 100% Saints positive, but this doesn't cover the fact that Hull signed Long just 6 or 7 months earlier for a vastly lower fee. Saints needed a striker at this time and were making do with Gallagher in some games. He was clearly on our radar, so why not sign him for 6-7m then when no fans would have had a problem with the price and he would have provided decent competition? A 6-7m striker scoring 4 goals and becoming a 12-13m striker in 6 months doesn't really cry out good value however you dress it up. Youre obsessed!! Its called market forces....the fact that Hull only signed him a few months previously was exactly why it took 12m to get him (Steve Bruce said as much at the time "too good an offer to turn down" to parphrase). We ONLY paid 10m for Forster so overall £22m the pair seems excellent value to me.....swings and roundabouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 15 January, 2016 Share Posted 15 January, 2016 Long had 18 months left on his contract when he signed for Hull from West Brom for circa £7m and 3 years left on his contract when we signed him from Hull. Of course there will be a difference in price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattiiiboiii7 Posted 15 January, 2016 Share Posted 15 January, 2016 Italian news reports saying Lazio's number 1 target is Pelle. Think we should keep hold of Long for the time being! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 15 January, 2016 Share Posted 15 January, 2016 Italian news reports saying Lazio's number 1 target is Pelle. Think we should keep hold of Long for the time being! No one is leaving this window - with the exception of Ramirez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 15 January, 2016 Share Posted 15 January, 2016 My point was we should have been in for him in the January, and we quite literally paid the price for delaying it. We had a different manager, coaching staff and chairman the January before Long signed, maybe he want a target then, perhaps? I know you get very upset about the transfer fee and like to whine about it at every opportunity you get but for once Mr Wrong is correct, £12m ain't a lot of money for a premier league striker with his experience whether you like it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 16 January, 2016 Share Posted 16 January, 2016 SSN saying Liverpool interested. what?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintalan Posted 16 January, 2016 Share Posted 16 January, 2016 Yep just saw that, there must be an easier way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 16 January, 2016 Share Posted 16 January, 2016 If anyone would have said Liverpool under Klopp would still be raiding Saints and would be in for Caulker first and then Long you'd laugh them away. Such a mad season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 16 January, 2016 Share Posted 16 January, 2016 SSN saying Liverpool interested. what?! Presumably to play centre back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 16 January, 2016 Share Posted 16 January, 2016 Someone explain why we'd want to sell our most hard working and, given a decent run in the team, most consistent striker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 16 January, 2016 Share Posted 16 January, 2016 SSN saying Liverpool interested. what?! Liverpool do know the going rate for our players is £20 million to them or maybe would could swap for Benteke reckon he would thrive here with the amount of crossing into the box we like to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 16 January, 2016 Share Posted 16 January, 2016 Someone explain why we'd want to sell our most hard working and, given a decent run in the team, most consistent striker most people don't really.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 16 January, 2016 Share Posted 16 January, 2016 Just tell Liverpool simple swap deal for benteke plus £6m or to help them out throw in lallana & another £4m and Shane long is theirs Don't blame saints not giving poch money to buy long look at the other striker he signed for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 16 January, 2016 Share Posted 16 January, 2016 A bid of £8m would be required to bring the 28-year-old hitman to Anfield. LOL. These journos are mad if they think that. Not only do we not want to sell, but if LFC were interested it would show how desperate they are and the price, not least because it is January, would be much higher (or so I would have thought). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 16 January, 2016 Author Share Posted 16 January, 2016 Another good game from Long. Since the 5th Dec when I wrote the OP he has gone up a few levels in his performance, if not always the finishing. Fair play - he has made Pelle a lot more dispensable than himself and has taken the chance Koeman gave him. One of my main points was that Koeman hadn't seemed to trust Long and never really seemed to want him, but maybe Long has changed his perception? Good stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 16 January, 2016 Share Posted 16 January, 2016 Another good game from Long. Since the 5th Dec when I wrote the OP he has gone up a few levels in his performance, if not always the finishing. Fair play - he has made Pelle a lot more dispensable than himself and has taken the chance Koeman gave him. One of my main points was that Koeman hadn't seemed to trust Long and never really seemed to want him, but maybe Long has changed his perception? Good stuff. long is showing what we have been missing in work and commitment he is a nightmare to defend against and long may it continue that and the fact we now have a solid British isles core of players again in long Davis Bertrand Targett JWP and soon Austin is the reason I think we are showing renewed commitment and heart. Would be madness to sell him! Imagine him and Austin playing together now that would scare most defenses! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 16 January, 2016 Share Posted 16 January, 2016 Now long is having a run in the side up top he is showing what a good player he is. How he has had to wait a season and a half to get a run up top is mystifying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 16 January, 2016 Share Posted 16 January, 2016 I've not really kept up with the proposed Liverpool link. Why do they need him exactly? Benteke / Origi / Firmino / Sturridge? When would he play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted 16 January, 2016 Share Posted 16 January, 2016 Play Shane Lone correctly ie as one of a pair of quick strikers with licence to roam and he is as good as most - the only negative is that his finishing is not always as clinical as it should be. However, the problems he causes opposition defenders and the pressure he puts on them makes space and chances for others. Unfortunately RK is too often happy to stick him on the wing where he is far less effective. If Spurs or Liverpool do get him he will be a great loss - I hope he stays and that RK continues to plays him in his best role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintTex Posted 16 January, 2016 Share Posted 16 January, 2016 If anyone would have said Liverpool under Klopp would still be raiding Saints and would be in for Caulker first and then Long you'd laugh them away. Such a mad season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JxgrSaint Posted 16 January, 2016 Share Posted 16 January, 2016 For £12m I'd learn to drive and take him up there myself - would be a ludicrously good deal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 16 January, 2016 Share Posted 16 January, 2016 For £12m I'd learn to drive and take him up there myself - would be a ludicrously good deal... Then your an idiot if you think we should sell him and what he brings to the team Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 16 January, 2016 Share Posted 16 January, 2016 Then your an idiot if you think we should sell him and what he brings to the team Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Especially considering 12m is what we paid for him. Hardly a 'ludicrously good deal'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 16 January, 2016 Share Posted 16 January, 2016 Especially considering 12m is what we paid for him. Hardly a 'ludicrously good deal'. Let s not forget Long is 29 in one week. His value will only decrease from now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 16 January, 2016 Share Posted 16 January, 2016 Another good game from Long. Since the 5th Dec when I wrote the OP he has gone up a few levels in his performance, if not always the finishing. Fair play - he has made Pelle a lot more dispensable than himself and has taken the chance Koeman gave him. One of my main points was that Koeman hadn't seemed to trust Long and never really seemed to want him, but maybe Long has changed his perception? Good stuff. Well done Charlie maybe you should ask the club for a job as a player motivator...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 16 January, 2016 Author Share Posted 16 January, 2016 Well done Charlie maybe you should ask the club for a job as a player motivator...... He probably did feel a bit of pressure to prove himself when it was clear Pelle was going to miss a few games and ahead of the transfer window. Chance to play up front, if he hadn't made an impression he would probably have lost Koeman's faith. Noticeable improvement to his game based on what he had shown before, so hopefully he keeps it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 16 January, 2016 Share Posted 16 January, 2016 I haven't changed my mind about his finishing, The more time he has the worse he is, but I'm seeing stuff from him in the last month that I haven't seen before (or chose not to) and I am not sure why I didn't appreciate it before. I love a worker, but somehow ignored this in Long despite it being obvious. Loving watching him at the moment. bloody hell his work rate has become infectious. Before he ran around a lot, but it was in isolation and therefore pretty ineffective, but the rest of the side has followed his lead and as a result we are putting sides under pressure and they are not good enough to play there way out from the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 16 January, 2016 Author Share Posted 16 January, 2016 I haven't changed my mind about his finishing, The more time he has the worse he is, but I'm seeing stuff from him in the last month that I haven't seen before (or chose not to) and I am not sure why I didn't appreciate it before. I love a worker, but somehow ignored this in Long despite it being obvious. Loving watching him at the moment. bloody hell his work rate has become infectious. Before he ran around a lot, but it was in isolation and therefore pretty ineffective, but the rest of the side has followed his lead and as a result we are putting sides under pressure and they are not good enough to play there way out from the back. This. Definitely lifted all aspects of his game, finishing aside. The running is now useful rather than just a crowd pleaser and the midfield, especially Davis, like having someone to pick out rather than a more static striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 16 January, 2016 Share Posted 16 January, 2016 He probably did feel a bit of pressure to prove himself when it was clear Pelle was going to miss a few games and ahead of the transfer window. Chance to play up front, if he hadn't made an impression he would probably have lost Koeman's faith. Noticeable improvement to his game based on what he had shown before, so hopefully he keeps it up. Come on no false modesty I reckon Shane had a quick look on here saw your thread and set about making himself a better player ...well done you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 16 January, 2016 Share Posted 16 January, 2016 I've not really kept up with the proposed Liverpool link. Why do they need him exactly? To weaken us.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 16 January, 2016 Share Posted 16 January, 2016 Let's be honest. Long is better for us than Pelle. Offers monumental more movement, probably wins more headers and is more than a handful for their whole defence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 16 January, 2016 Share Posted 16 January, 2016 Personally, if Liverpool came with an offer up to £15-18m, then we'd be nuts to say no. And given their history of overpaying for players, I wouldn't put it past them. He is in great form for us right now though and he is showing us exactly why he's a thorn in so many sides. But if they offered silly money, it would make good financial sense for us I'd think. Liverpool do need to drop this obsession with our players though, it's becoming a little odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 16 January, 2016 Share Posted 16 January, 2016 Let's be honest. Long is better for us than Pelle. Offers monumental more movement, probably wins more headers and is more than a handful for their whole defence Midfielders must love him as he gives them so many options to feet, great leap, target man and put in gaps behind full backs pulls defence about. A steal at 12m [emoji1] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 16 January, 2016 Share Posted 16 January, 2016 Personally, if Liverpool came with an offer up to £15-18m, then we'd be nuts to say no. And given their history of overpaying for players, I wouldn't put it past them. He is in great form for us right now though and he is showing us exactly why he's a thorn in so many sides. But if they offered silly money, it would make good financial sense for us I'd think. Liverpool do need to drop this obsession with our players though, it's becoming a little odd. Who would you buy to replace him out of interest? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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