Heisenberg Posted 13 November, 2016 Share Posted 13 November, 2016 Debate a plenty about transfers (or lack of) during the summer and how that affected us But a topic not being discussed is the form of those that have stayed. Imho the below players are all performing worse than last season - is it tactics? new formation? Fitness? Something else? Fonte Bertrand Long Davis Cedric Forster even Højbjerg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 13 November, 2016 Share Posted 13 November, 2016 I'm not seeing your logic here. Everyone has a few bad days at the office. It can be attributed to a manner of things but on the whole I don't see any evidence that they are performing worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSeb Posted 13 November, 2016 Share Posted 13 November, 2016 (edited) Debate a plenty about transfers (or lack of) during the summer and how that affected us But a topic not being discussed is the form of those that have stayed. Imho the below players are all performing worse than last season - is it tactics? new formation? Fitness? Something else? Fonte Bertrand Long Davis Cedric Forster even Højbjerg Fonte's form is picking up after a 'head was turned' start to the season. Bertrand has only just come back to fitness so needs time to get back to 100% Long has been his pre-end of last season form self (great work rate, poor finishing), and has been injured. Davis has been more in and out of the team, so his consistency has been hurt with less game time IMO. Cedric started inconsistently, improved, then got injured. Forster, not really sure how to explain his poor form. Just seems to be repeatedly caught cold whenever a shot isn't straight at him or a save requires him to dive out of his comfortable range. Hojbjerg has been good when called upon in my view. Edited 13 November, 2016 by SaintSeb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 13 November, 2016 Share Posted 13 November, 2016 I personally think it is the number of games (the frequency of them) is catching up with us Thankfully, we play liverpool after an international break and not a european night. Equal distraction for both teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 13 November, 2016 Share Posted 13 November, 2016 I personally think it is the number of games (the frequency of them) is catching up with us Thankfully, we play liverpool after an international break and not a european night. Equal distraction for both teams I agree with you, it is not rocket science that physical tiredness leads directly to lapses in concentration. The fast pass and move technique that Puel employs requires 100% concentration all the time. The mind controls the body not the other way around. In extreme cases ball watching happens whilst players compute how to respond, it all happens in nano-seconds but becomes obvious to watchers with mis-placed passes, not being in exactly the right position to receive the ball, not timing jumps or tackles correctly lack of awareness of who's around you and so on. The only remedy is rest and the lads don't get much of that with the long list of injuries that we seem to have had this season - which likely has come from players being over-stretched physically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashnats Posted 13 November, 2016 Share Posted 13 November, 2016 Have I been away and missed something? What's happened? We're better than last season, the quality of football is better than it was, and we have our youth academy back. I thought all was well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
so22saint Posted 13 November, 2016 Share Posted 13 November, 2016 Have I been away and missed something? What's happened? We're better than last season, the quality of football is better than it was, and we have our youth academy back. I thought all was well? Quite. It's just an attention seeing load of old BS from one of the original trolling cockends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 13 November, 2016 Author Share Posted 13 November, 2016 I personally think it is the number of games (the frequency of them) is catching up with us Thankfully, we play liverpool after an international break and not a european night. Equal distraction for both teams Maybe maybe But Romeu and VVD have been our best players and they have probably played the most football for us this season? VVD 1,350 minutes Romeu 1,265 minutes ---------- Fonte 1,080 minutes Davis 999 minutes Höjbjerg 862 minutes Bertrand 528 minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 13 November, 2016 Share Posted 13 November, 2016 Have I been away and missed something? What's happened? We're better than last season, the quality of football is better than it was, and we have our youth academy back. I thought all was well? One bad result and an international break to stew on it = ***ts ahoy. Oh shock horror, we lost a game of football, whatever will we do!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 13 November, 2016 Author Share Posted 13 November, 2016 we lost a game of football It's not about the last game or even the last 2 or 3 - it's about the season so far A season where we have won just 3 games all season in the league and players who were on top form last season now look a shade of the player they were. Just trying to understand why If you don't care - no worries have a good day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 13 November, 2016 Share Posted 13 November, 2016 0.5/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 13 November, 2016 Share Posted 13 November, 2016 Quite why people respond to this idiot's drivel I'll never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 November, 2016 Share Posted 13 November, 2016 Debate a plenty about transfers (or lack of) during the summer and how that affected us But a topic not being discussed is the form of those that have stayed. Imho the below players are all performing worse than last season - is it tactics? new formation? Fitness? Something else? Fonte Bertrand Long Davis Cedric Forster even Højbjerg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeOnLwi9CtQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vince Posted 13 November, 2016 Share Posted 13 November, 2016 Maybe maybe But Romeu and VVD have been our best players and they have probably played the most football for us this season? VVD 1,350 minutes Romeu 1,265 minutes ---------- Fonte 1,080 minutes Davis 999 minutes Höjbjerg 862 minutes Bertrand 528 minutes That looks a bit different if you do minutes played in all competitions since the end of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WALK DMC Posted 13 November, 2016 Share Posted 13 November, 2016 I do think that some will find the current tactics don't suit their style. Long in particular likes the ball played early and behind defenders, and that's certainly not the way we play at the moment. As others have said the his injury and loose finishing hasn't helped the situation either. I find our football more entertaining than last year, but I do think the slower build up, possession based football is a contributory factor to the significantly lower number of goals scored. The loss of Mane has also left a big hole, although trying to replace a £35 million footballer on a budget is extremely difficult. What's one wrong ? Nothing, very much, but there is going to be a transisition between the different styles of football of Koeman and Puel and it may be that the lower number of goals will remain, even if we still achieve a top ten finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 13 November, 2016 Share Posted 13 November, 2016 When I saw the title of this thread I knew which cock would have started it. Bless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 13 November, 2016 Share Posted 13 November, 2016 And I know he just wants good honest debate and cares so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 13 November, 2016 Share Posted 13 November, 2016 Fonte's form is picking up after a 'head was turned' start to the season. Bertrand has only just come back to fitness so needs time to get back to 100% Long has been his pre-end of last season form self (great work rate, poor finishing), and has been injured. Davis has been more in and out of the team, so his consistency has been hurt with less game time IMO. Cedric started inconsistently, improved, then got injured. Forster, not really sure how to explain his poor form. Just seems to be repeatedly caught cold whenever a shot isn't straight at him or a save requires him to dive out of his comfortable range. Hojbjerg has been good when called upon in my view. This FF is my only concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 13 November, 2016 Share Posted 13 November, 2016 0.5/10 Generous. Its getting some decent bites though to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 13 November, 2016 Share Posted 13 November, 2016 Apart from Hojbjerg (who shouldn't be on the list), pretty obvious really, European hangover, late return to training. Pelle is the same ;-) Forster probably no worse than before, he has always been poor at shot saving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 November, 2016 Share Posted 13 November, 2016 Les Reed is useless and doesn't know what he's doing Puel is his yes man Puel is boring Something about net spend WE haven't replaced Pelle or Mane Something about no ambition The diamond is sh*te We didn't sign Haller/Bas Dost (insert any player no one had heard of six months ago who we were tenuously linked with in July or August and the failure to sign means we are screwed) Redmond isn't a striker Roduriguez career is over You can't expect to sell your best players every summer and improve Have I missed anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 13 November, 2016 Share Posted 13 November, 2016 We are not set up for European football plus cups plus staying in the PL. Need to concentrate on the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 13 November, 2016 Share Posted 13 November, 2016 We beat Inter Milan last week ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted 13 November, 2016 Share Posted 13 November, 2016 We are not set up for European football plus cups plus staying in the PL. Need to concentrate on the latter. And another one wades in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 13 November, 2016 Share Posted 13 November, 2016 We are not set up for European football plus cups plus staying in the PL. Need to concentrate on the latter. Well, currently we are in the top half of the Prem, have a good chance of progression to the Europa knock-out stages, and are still in the League Cup plus the Checkatrade. I think there are 2 things of slight concern, FF's form and a lack of goals, compared to chances made. I wonder if any of the coaching staff my have noticed those as well ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 13 November, 2016 Share Posted 13 November, 2016 Quite why people respond to this idiot's drivel I'll never know. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunnery Posted 13 November, 2016 Share Posted 13 November, 2016 Debate a plenty about transfers (or lack of) during the summer and how that affected us But a topic not being discussed is the form of those that have stayed. Imho the below players are all performing worse than last season - is it tactics? new formation? Fitness? Something else? Fonte Bertrand Long Davis Cedric Forster even HøjbjergAt the exact time you were logging onto Saintsweb to start this latest thread of trolling bùllshít, I was standing at my local war memorial proudly wearing my medals and paying tribute to fallen comrades past and present on this Remembrance Sunday......Says it all really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 13 November, 2016 Share Posted 13 November, 2016 We are not set up for European football plus cups plus staying in the PL. Need to concentrate on the latter. This is exactly what we are set up for, hence the squad rotation. I'll take 14th and decent cup / Euro run thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 13 November, 2016 Author Share Posted 13 November, 2016 At the exact time you were logging onto Saintsweb to start this latest thread of trolling bùllshít, I was standing at my local war memorial proudly wearing my medals and paying tribute to fallen comrades past and present on this Remembrance Sunday......Says it all really. Any pics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 13 November, 2016 Share Posted 13 November, 2016 At the exact time you were logging onto Saintsweb to start this latest thread of trolling bùllshít, I was standing at my local war memorial proudly wearing my medals and paying tribute to fallen comrades past and present on this Remembrance Sunday......Says it all really. i look forward to his attempt at a response to you post. well said sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 13 November, 2016 Share Posted 13 November, 2016 Isn't there an older Men's Shed or Workshop open in Glasgow where you could keep yourself occupied for a while GS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 14 November, 2016 Share Posted 14 November, 2016 Players form goes up and down that's just a fact that you somehow can't figure out, or had it just been a really slow Sunday morning for Mr Heisenberg? Fraser Forster's form and the lack of goals which only seem to come when Charlie Austin is on the pitch are my only concerns. Also Romeu and VVD getting injured might be an issue but all teams have players that they would be concerned about getting injured. Other than that it's all gravy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted 14 November, 2016 Share Posted 14 November, 2016 I don't agree with OP at all. We just beat Inter Milan, what a joy it is to be able to say that. We do need something extra in attack but I thought the same last year. Pelle could be woefully inconsistent and if Mane wasn't scoring then we used to struggle. Long has his moments but he has never exactly been a clinical finisher, hopefully he will find form soon. Redmond looks full of potential, Boufal just needs time to fit into the team and Austin is always a threat. We're fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 14 November, 2016 Share Posted 14 November, 2016 Les Reed is useless and doesn't know what he's doing Puel is his yes man Puel is boring Something about net spend WE haven't replaced Pelle or Mane Something about no ambition The diamond is sh*te We didn't sign Haller/Bas Dost (insert any player no one had heard of six months ago who we were tenuously linked with in July or August and the failure to sign means we are screwed) Redmond isn't a striker Roduriguez career is over You can't expect to sell your best players every summer and improve Have I missed anything? There's law and order, the aquaduct and the wine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 14 November, 2016 Share Posted 14 November, 2016 Cheers for that Glasgow, interesting read..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 14 November, 2016 Author Share Posted 14 November, 2016 insults are the last resort of insecure people with a crumbling position trying to appear confident Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 14 November, 2016 Share Posted 14 November, 2016 insults are the last resort of insecure people with a crumbling position trying to appear confident You got that right ya daft cnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 14 November, 2016 Share Posted 14 November, 2016 This is exactly what we are set up for, hence the squad rotation. I'll take 14th and decent cup / Euro run thanks. But what if our commitments in Europe and the Cups cost us our PL status ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 14 November, 2016 Author Share Posted 14 November, 2016 You got that right ya daft cnt Absolute classic mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted 14 November, 2016 Share Posted 14 November, 2016 But what if our commitments in Europe and the Cups cost us our PL status ? Then we'll be in the Championship again you attention seeking cnt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 14 November, 2016 Share Posted 14 November, 2016 But what if our commitments in Europe and the Cups cost us our PL status ? Then you and Alpine can have a big party to celebrate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 14 November, 2016 Share Posted 14 November, 2016 insults are the last resort of insecure people with a crumbling position trying to appear confident I think you will find that in this case it is a use of entirely accurate words to describe exactly what utter w ank ers you and your ilk are Hth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 14 November, 2016 Share Posted 14 November, 2016 But what if our commitments in Europe and the Cups cost us our PL status ? You can watch Saints play your beloved Norwich again, how much was your ST? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangely Brown Posted 15 November, 2016 Share Posted 15 November, 2016 Why don't you team up with Batman and both start clapping? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 15 November, 2016 Share Posted 15 November, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 15 November, 2016 Share Posted 15 November, 2016 Quite why people respond to this idiot's drivel I'll never know. It is some of the best idiot drivel performance art around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 31 December, 2016 Author Share Posted 31 December, 2016 Adding Tadic to the list in the hope it inspires a goal or two today or a couple of assists? Thought he started the season brightly but 1 goal and 2 assists in 21 games (non in the league since September) is very poor 9 goals 14 assists last season (40 games) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 31 December, 2016 Share Posted 31 December, 2016 The squad is unbalanced. Too many similar rather than complimentary players - Boufal/Tadic; a homogenous lightweight midfield; 3, even 4 misfiring fragile 'strikers', the list goes on. Recruitment went awry since that backroom bloke was poached by Tottenham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 31 December, 2016 Share Posted 31 December, 2016 The squad is unbalanced. Too many similar rather than complimentary players - Boufal/Tadic; a homogenous lightweight midfield; 3, even 4 misfiring fragile 'strikers', the list goes on. Recruitment went awry since that backroom bloke was poached by Tottenham. Yep we bought that awful centre back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 December, 2016 Share Posted 31 December, 2016 Yep we bought that awful centre back The exception doesn't prove the rule pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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