Lee Skyrme joins

[Master Bates]

As Individual Player Coach B Team.

[Turkish]

This is a real statement of intent!

[SuperSAINT]

Replaces David Hughes, according to this: 

https://trainingground.guru/articles/skyrme-leaves-fa-to-become-southampton-individual-player-coach

[Dark Munster]

Can he play at RB?

[Matthew Le God]

The club announced it on the 8th February... 👼

https://www.southamptonfc.com/news/2021-02-08/southampton-football-club-b-team-coach-lee-skyrme

[CB Fry]

It's already clear that this guy cannot and will not replace Eric Black.

[Turkish]

7 minutes ago, LeG said:

He's arrived to put us on the world map and improve our Role-Playing Game

Maybe the suggestion of Ings striker leader role was not so far fetched?

[The Cat]

At least the next time the reserves lose we have a new scapegoat.

 

[Turkish]

18 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

It's already clear that this guy cannot and will not replace Eric Black.

Great, we’re still suffering from his legacy. 

[Badger]

57 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

It's already clear that this guy cannot and will not replace Eric Black.

In terms of cone stackers no one comes close to Dennis T-Shirt though 

[Suhari]

Anyone else read his name as 'Skyrim'?!

He used to be a footballer too, until he took an arrow to the knee......

[captainchris]

8 hours ago, SuperSAINT said:

Replaces David Hughes, according to this: 

https://trainingground.guru/articles/skyrme-leaves-fa-to-become-southampton-individual-player-coach

Can he please teach players to be two footed first. In a football match if you can’t kick a ball you ain’t much use a fact we don’t seem to have addressed .... He better start with the first team actually .... 

[Verbal]

Well I'm excited by this old news.  Also, quite good name for Scrabble points.  

[Miltonaggro]

No Wikipedia page, so I'm remaining sceptical.

[Turkish]

Just now, Miltonaggro said:

No Wikipedia page, so I'm remaining sceptical.

i wont take him seriously until i know how many twitter followers he has.

[SuperSAINT]

https://trainingground.guru/articles/why-southampton-changed-the-head-coach-and-assistant-model 

[Lord Duckhunter]

The Game Coach is responsible for delivering the Playbook, to make sure the players understand how we play, the terminology, the roles within the team; to make sure we prepare the players for the game effectively, to coach and deliver that game and then review that game.

"We have also introduced an Individual Development Coach to sit alongside. Their role is to make sure there are robust, simple, player-led Individual Development Plans (IDPs).
 

 

What a load of old pony. 
 

 

[Matthew Le God]

3 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What a load of old pony. 

Are you still stuck in the 1970s watching football?

Edited 24 August, 2021 by Matthew Le God

[Master Bates]

32 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

https://trainingground.guru/articles/why-southampton-changed-the-head-coach-and-assistant-model 

This...

 

 "My job is to be the gatekeeper of that Playbook, to make sure that when managers, myself and Marieanne (Spacey-Cale) move on, that there is a legacy and a piece of work left for someone else to be able to build on in the future."

 

Hopefully not anytime soon

[TWar]

39 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

The Game Coach is responsible for delivering the Playbook, to make sure the players understand how we play, the terminology, the roles within the team; to make sure we prepare the players for the game effectively, to coach and deliver that game and then review that game.

"We have also introduced an Individual Development Coach to sit alongside. Their role is to make sure there are robust, simple, player-led Individual Development Plans (IDPs).
 

 

What a load of old pony. 
 

 

Dunno why saints invested in a professional coach, why don't they just employ a fella to yell at them to be tougher and have a tantrum whenever anyone uses a statistic of any kind?

Edited 24 August, 2021 by TWar

[Toussaint]

17 minutes ago, TWar said:

Dunno why saints invested in a professional coach, why don't they just employ a fella to yell at them to be tougher and have a tantrum whenever anyone uses a statistic of any kind?

C’mon you’re better that that matey.

[TWar]

1 minute ago, Toussaint said:

C’mon you’re better that that matey.

I guess. Not worth making off topic arguments.

On topic, sounds good to me. I think with all the young players we are bringing in this summer having a real focus on getting them first team ready is going to be very valuable.

[Lord Duckhunter]

It’s management speak pony, and the hipsters lap it up. WTF is a game coach & a fucking playbook. What’s a frigging IDPs, and what the hell does this bird Marieanne know about developing players. Who is  in charge of this nonsense David Brent? I bet they won’t have as many “first team ready” as Dave Merrington did. 

[Billy the Kidd]

What is a playbook. Jeez. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

[Billy the Kidd]

Haven’t seen that one for a few days 👍

[Mustapha Fag]

Is it that difficult to understand or is this just the latest thing for you and you alter ego to complain about?

 

Pretending you don't get it, what a load of old pony

[Fan The Flames]

I've been in my industry for over 25 years and seen the language change and terms come and go. It's probably the same in all business including football, nothing to really wet your pants over, especially someone who says 'nets' and 'pony' 😜

 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

In the old days:-

Game Coach: Normal training
Individual Development Coach: Staying on after training to practice a few things, like free kicks. 🙂

Done well, and there's no reason to think it won't be, there are loads of positives in having developing players shown individual care, attention and defined goals, in progressing all their skills. Not only will it make them feel far better supported, it will develop standards that should see even those who don't make it here have careers in the game and show prospective talents that their development lies here.

[Doctoroncall]

[Miltonaggro]

It makes one realise how far ahead of his time Simon Clifford was. These days there would likely be an audience receptive to his bullshit. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

They think they’re reinventing the wheel. It’s what any manager worth his salt has been doing for 50 bloody years, imposing his style on the club, putting decent coaches in key positions, and turning boys into men. You hipsters really think you’re cutting edge and have discovered something new. Peter Taylor was one of the greatest talent spotters in history, he’d recommend the players and Cloughie would motivate them. Now they’d probably be called “match day coach” & “Xg analyst “. 

[revolution saint]

8 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

They think they’re reinventing the wheel. It’s what any manager worth his salt has been doing for 50 bloody years, imposing his style on the club, putting decent coaches in key positions, and turning boys into men. You hipsters really think you’re cutting edge and have discovered something new. Peter Taylor was one of the greatest talent spotters in history, he’d recommend the players and Cloughie would motivate them. Now they’d probably be called “match day coach” & “Xg analyst “. 

So you’re just arguing about terminology but generally happy they’re using this set up because they should have been doing it anyway?

[maysie]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

They think they’re reinventing the wheel. It’s what any manager worth his salt has been doing for 50 bloody years, imposing his style on the club, putting decent coaches in key positions, and turning boys into men. You hipsters really think you’re cutting edge and have discovered something new. Peter Taylor was one of the greatest talent spotters in history, he’d recommend the players and Cloughie would motivate them. Now they’d probably be called “match day coach” & “Xg analyst “. 

I'm not sure you mean to be but your hilarious with your 70s throwback character, all 'pony', 'chicks', 'up and at em', 'man up' 'hey woman iron my shirt I'm of to the pub to play skittles'. You should take it to the Edinburgh fringe.

[Lord Duckhunter]

8 hours ago, revolution saint said:

So you’re just arguing about terminology but generally happy they’re using this set up because they should have been doing it anyway?

The first thing they should do is cut out the stupid names. Secondly, whose accountable for under performance , is it the match day coach or is it the Individual development coach? If the “play book” is fucked up, who carries the can? It just sums up the muddled thinking and softness that runs right through the club, yet some on here lap it up. 

[Nolan]

The playbook is a transposition of the Crockers  "England DNA" system that worked for the England age groups onto club level

It was started in the England set-up in 2014 and takes time to successfully implement. (especially when the Director of Football Operations takes over full time as a pandemic hits)

 

 

 

 

[iansums]

11 hours ago, Fan The Flames said:

I've been in my industry for over 25 years and seen the language change and terms come and go. It's probably the same in all business including football, nothing to really wet your pants over, especially someone who says 'nets' and 'pony' 😜

 

This, it’s just business speak, new phrases meaning exactly the same thing as the old ones. I do though find it all irritating though, I mean who was the first person to type ‘I hope this email finds you well’?

[Give it to Ron]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

The first thing they should do is cut out the stupid names. Secondly, whose accountable for under performance , is it the match day coach or is it the Individual development coach? If the “play book” is fucked up, who carries the can? It just sums up the muddled thinking and softness that runs right through the club, yet some on here lap it up. 

Yeah just get it  in the onion bag…there is only one responsible for first team as you know.

The big issue here is we don’t have the money to replace him even if wanted to.

[Toussaint]

1 hour ago, Nolan said:

The playbook is a transposition of the Crockers  "England DNA" system that worked for the England age groups onto club level

It was started in the England set-up in 2014 and takes time to successfully implement. (especially when the Director of Football Operations takes over full time as a pandemic hits)

 

 

 

 

When are England going to implement it exactly? Perennial capitulators  and losers, at least they are nice boys I suppose.

[Nolan]

1 hour ago, Toussaint said:

When are England going to implement it exactly? Perennial capitulators  and losers, at least they are nice boys I suppose.

That you cant see the senior squad  being Semi Finalists in a World Tournament followed by Finalists in a highly competitive regional tournament is  an improvement to what we had previously in the last thirty years says more about you than anything else.

Edited 25 August, 2021 by Nolan

[Toussaint]

47 minutes ago, Nolan said:

That you cant see the senior squad  being Semi Finalists in a World Tournament followed by Finalists in a highly compentitve regional tournament is  an improvement to what we had previously in the last thirty years says more about you than anything else.

What I see is a team that had a pretty cushy run to a final, encountering the weakest German side in a generation, including  Muller missing a one on one he’d score 999 times out of a 1000, then the usual pathetic capitulation. What it says about me is, I see things as they are, not how the revisionist new wavers would like to see  them, to reinforce the new alternative reality. Btw, you have view , I have a view. No need for petty insults.

[Nolan]

26 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

What I see is a team that had a pretty cushy run to a final, encountering the weakest German side in a generation, including  Muller missing a one on one he’d score 999 times out of a 1000, then the usual pathetic capitulation. What it says about me is, I see things as they are, not how the revisionist new wavers would like to see  them, to reinforce the new alternative reality. Btw, you have view , I have a view. No need for petty insults.

You're leaving yourself open to being called both "Closed minded" and "hypocritical" with that post.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Barcelona wonderkid joins Saints! Xavi Jr stated that, although the Hoof it up to the Big Man approach of The Gaffer was reknowned, it was the work under Sgt Major Shouty that he was looking forward to most.

I was watching clips of old England and Scotland qualification runs at the Euros and, despite lots of nostalgia for the times, things look good for the current squad.

 

[Billy the Kidd]

47 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

What I see is a team that had a pretty cushy run to a final, encountering the weakest German side in a generation, including  Muller missing a one on one he’d score 999 times out of a 1000, then the usual pathetic capitulation. What it says about me is, I see things as they are, not how the revisionist new wavers would like to see  them, to reinforce the new alternative reality. Btw, you have view , I have a view. No need for petty insults.

You could likely say these things about any team that reaches a World or European Championship.

You are entitled to your opinion, but I dont believe people who disagree are revisionist new wavers, they just see the reality that in the last 2 major tournaments, we have got to a semi and final.  I would agree with you if we only did that in something like the nations league or whatever it is called, but not the major ones.

Also, so what about Muller missing - that for me is totally irrelevant - all teams miss chances and stuff, England included in that.

[st alex]

Thought this playbook thing was about getting all ages levels within the club playing the same style of football, (read same tactics). That way when they get to the first team they don't have to spend ages trying to adapt their game.

Presumably it's not something every club does, or does to different degrees?

[revolution saint]

8 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

The first thing they should do is cut out the stupid names. Secondly, whose accountable for under performance , is it the match day coach or is it the Individual development coach? If the “play book” is fucked up, who carries the can? It just sums up the muddled thinking and softness that runs right through the club, yet some on here lap it up. 

I've got a certain amount of sympathy for this view.  It's frustrating when it appears that something has been invented when in reality it's something that's been done before only slightly differently and under a different name.  The fabled blackbox and moneyball are both other examples; they're just different terms for what decent scouts and scouting systems will already be doing.  Doesn't really wind me up quite so much though.  Positive thing is that they look like they've recognised an under performing academy system and are taking steps to rectify it.  Proof will be the output of players that can make a difference in the first team over the next few years. 

My guess is that a lot of the success will also be based on the experience that Crocker and the others already have at England level.  They're well placed to know the best coaches and support staff and bring them in where they can.  Instead of treating the youth teams as a route into coaching as a favour for ex-pros they look like they're targeting the best staff which isn't exactly rocket science but will probably make the biggest difference whatever their job titles are.

[Mystic Force]

So they have simply decided on a new system of division of labour. Instead of one guy in charge of all aspects with another guy helping him then going down to specialised coaches below them they have decided to have two people responsible for different areas with the specialised coaches reporting into the respective area leader. Its hardly something to suggest the world has ended. But a reasonable system that might have intrinsic benefits over the alternative system. Clearly what we were doing was failing to produce the same results as at earlier times, maybe in former times our setup under different coaches has gravitated to this model without being formally in place ie "Jason can you concentrate on the individual training, while I work with players on overall setup?" and the exact way tasks are divided up based on individual choice of those running it at that time rather than an overall plan. It seems like it might be better to allocate personnel based on their best attribute (or recruit ones based on their ability doing a certain thing) than make everyone a generalist. We will see if this works out or not, but to describe changing an organizational structure as "pony" just because some labels have changed seems rather ridiculous

[Holmes_and_Watson]

I'd imagine a fair bit of the glossy spin on this approach will be to sell it to parents of kids. Even as we groan at the new names for old terms. Seeing that there will be a defined development path with performance indicators, will remove some of that randomness of hoping their kid's talent rises above the others in a wider group.

Of course, clubs worth their salt will be guiding individuals anyway. Lots of this should be old hat. But this systemises it, removes gaps where/ if the academy wasn't performing this way. One pitfall is that this new approach isn't flexible to change, and becomes outdated, with the regime unwilling to change, resulting in many of the same issues as before. But the people there should know that.